Quote from Ri5uxHey Mojang, I know you couldn't care less, but you just lost a user.
You quitting Minecraft over this? That's stupid, just don't play Realms then.
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Jul 5, 20141
Endernewt posted a message on EULA Revisited: an Updated Q&A From MojangPosted in: Discussion
You quitting Minecraft over this? That's stupid, just don't play Realms then. -
Jul 4, 20141
wailwail posted a message on EULA Revisited: an Updated Q&A From MojangPosted in: DiscussionQuote from Mix_GodOK guys, I only read 2 pages. 1 and 76. What happened is that minecraft was running fine until one of mojangs employees child's mc account got hacked. It was a donor on servers. In result, mojang called a meeting, and voted to end donations. Realms could just be coincidence. I think they launched realms which you couldnt add any plugins too so there could be no donations, and mojang may just make people pay for entry fees. Even though my server is home hosted, id one day like to raise money to get it hosted, or otherwise buy my own server tower to host it. Ill admit ive donated on some servers, but because i wanted to have some extra stuff, not because of the good of my heart, or because of me liking the server, or even me liking the cosmetic crap. I like to donate so that i get more stuff. Most of the servers ive played on have hackers. They should take care of the hackers first.
Donating =!= Purchasing , deal with it
Donating = Giving money without expecting something in return -
Jun 21, 20141
legopatch posted a message on EULA Revisited: an Updated Q&A From MojangLike seriously, how is this a bad thing? The EULA essentially bans pay to win.Posted in: Discussion
Why I dislike pay to win? Without pay to win, you can become the top player simply by playing the game, Who doesn't want that? Why would you want a game mode where you pay money to be better then everyone else? So in the real world people end up separated by who is rich and who is poor, do we really want to carry that over to minecraft via pay-to-win? Do we really want to turn this into a contest of who has more real life money? I play minecraft to compete with other players in my minecraft(engineering :P) skills, not see who is willing to spend more money on a server.
Servers will find a way to survive, personlly I will be more inclined to donate to a non pay-to-win server, then a pay-to-win one. Servers aren't as expensive as people seem to think they are, and if it does cost more money then users donate: do what others have done: put up a bar showing how much the server needs to run, and how close donations have taken it to being there. The people that have invested a lot of time into the server will donate to keep it up, those who cannot afford to will not be so desperate: its a win-win.
Personally I think the majority of people who are against mojang enforcing the new EULA are those who spent a lot of money for perks, advantages, and the like, server owners who have been making big $$, or those who mistakenly believe that it will be impossible to pay for servers with it.
Anyways, anyone have a counter point?
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Jun 21, 20143
Mastergabe2000 posted a message on EULA Revisited: an Updated Q&A From MojangThank you for removing the thousand-dollar kit "pay to win" serversPosted in: Discussion -
Jun 20, 20142
GoldK posted a message on EULA Revisited: an Updated Q&A From MojangPosted in: Discussion
Are you implying the minecraft community doesn't want public servers at all and only play to show off power? Why bother setting up servers for them anyway if they only use servers to be elitist and not because they genuinely like server contents? That insight of yours gave one more reason why we should support the EULA. I think this will be a wonderful step in stopping elitism in the community when public servers are gone.
Common sense is mojang allows priority access. Period. You are grasping at straws at this moment in trying to validate your claim that p2w is better than equal gameplay with limited server access for free users. If you ask me, I would rather play in a server where everyone has equal power and I have the option to pay if I find the server interesting enough to have access anytime. If I don't have money, I will just have to wait and play during less crowded time or camp until one free player leaves. The server owner also saves money by maximizing player slots and adjust the free slots size to adjust income to server popularity. Everyone wins.
With the upcoming changes, it won't be as easy to ask for donations which is why I am suggesting to use other means if you really want to help a charity. Minecraft charity is not as big as more traditional charity out there so it will barely have any effect in the grand scheme of things. Beside, not all servers are going to run for charity. You said it yourself servers need money to operate and the overwhelming majority of the server will be used for profit instead of charitable purposes.
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I really wish people would actually evaluate the result of Mojang's actions rather then blindly siding with Mojang. I asked a question openly, to multiple people and the best I got was, "We'll still be allowed to play Minecraft." This is just ridiculous. Why do you agree with Mojang's decision if you cannot even give me a reason why it will benefit the community?
I stand by one of my earlier statements in that those that are against pay for perk features are jealous of those that were able to pay for such features, because all I hear is complaints against said feature without any actual good reasons as to why. It's a crude way to look at it, but honestly they dodge any direct request for a reason, so what else am I to think?
However, I can actually explain multiple reasons as to why it is BAD for the community. It could potentially (and according to one large server that has posted, may actually) cause people to lose their jobs (which could potentially make people/families homeless), it could inhibit the gameplay of such servers as they are forced to use alternative means for income beyond gameplay features. It actually directly stifles creation by limiting what you're allowed to make (no capes). It creates a bad impression that Mojang will take away from the community at any time for any reason without negotiation. I've got plenty of reasons its NOT good for the community. I cannot really find one reason its good.
One thing I'd like to keep mind for those that reply to me, I don't play on large servers. I design mod content and art. I'm the original creator of the Ender Storage mod, I occasionally twitch stream and I've been contributing my other ideas to various other mods over the years (be it art or gameplay concepts). I don't actually lose much myself by these restrictions, but I am still speaking against them. I also am acting and not just speaking by actually moving my content creation to a open source platform (http://minetest.net) which will give me the ability to make content and have rights over said content.
Did mojang made minecraft for people to make money out of it? No. It would be different if mojang encouraged people to make money from the start and then suddenly changed their statement. Those who will lose their "job" was their own mistake of making it a business when it was never meant to be just like those who made selling illegal drugs a business when the government forbids it. With the lack of p2w, you will need better features than ever so that people will pay and keep coming back for more. Who said you can't give the exclusive perks right now to everyone on the server so that everyone get to fully enjoy your server?
Good things I can think off: it will kill elitism among the community. Elitism breeds hatred and unfairness in gameplay and it would be better if elitists don't exist. Servers won't rely anymore on power to sell but on the server content itself which means more people willing to innovate something so that people are more interested to play in their server and spend money to keep it alive. Power selling is as simple as donate money for a stack of diamond which can be done by literally just typing a command. No innovation whatsoever. Close knit community will return with small servers being much more common just like the old days. Everyone knows each other and everyone plays nice and cooperate in making projects. This kind of environment is what we should encourage. -
Jun 18, 20144
Rampage_x posted a message on EULA Revisited: an Updated Q&A From MojangPosted in: DiscussionQuote from RurouniTim
I'm pretty happy about these changes. Hosting a server isn't supposed to be something you should have to accept "donations" for. I've been running my own server for over 2 years now on a hosting site for a small community and I've never once asked for "donations" or even genuine donations, and I know that hosting a server that's not utter crap isn't exactly cheap. If it wasn't something I genuinely enjoyed, I wouldn't bother running a server. Because I enjoy it, I'm more than willing to put aside part of my paycheck to host my server. If more server owners went with that mentality, it'd be so much easier to find a good server.
The thing is, it's been going on too long. It is ingrained in most of the younger players, (even some of the older players) that in order to donate to help with server expenses, something is expected in return other than a simple "thank you".
If players like a server they play on, like the staff, they should donate (if able) without expecting something in return.
That would be in a perfect world, and is not the case though.
I am sure some of the larger servers out there, that have all these perks, ranks, titles for a specific amount of money, and have players foolish enough to donate such an amount, probably make enough money to not only cover the server expenses, but some of their own personal cost of living.
It's hard to conform to the proper way, and most will always want something in return for a donation. -
Jun 17, 20141
Kingzombiethe1st posted a message on EULA Revisited: an Updated Q&A From MojangI don't understand how people disagree with this. They arn't EA, the people running the pay to win servers are.Posted in: Discussion
Does anyone know what EA is? A pay to win company. What do you get in a server if you pay? Win! Diamonds everywhere! Advantages!
Extra awesome characters! If you are not, guess what? Prepare to work your **** off to get it! That is EA. Mojang is like the Anti - EA.
I understand that yes - people need money - but I want to direct everyone's attension to good 'ole Team Fortress 2.
Hats. ♥♥♥♥ing hats everywhere. Cosmetic. They've been doing this for a long time. -
Jun 17, 20141
Lukario posted a message on EULA Revisited: an Updated Q&A From MojangA Big-text notice uptop here: I have only read about 2-4 pages of comments but this is what I want to say in this "Problem"Posted in: Discussion
I think this will probably be good for a lot of servers, obviously not in the money/donations aspect but now that Mojang is going to actually enforce these rules that were there THE ENTIRE TIME. I honestly lost hope in pretty much all of the servers that offered that pay to win option and basically having people sit on the top of the server while people without money for these "DONATIONS" are attempting to play the game but are simply slaughtered or laughed at because their gear isn't good enough. This EULA enforcement will probably do one of the two things: Kill servers completely(which I doubt), or Kill off these "good" pay-to-win servers and let legitimately good servers rise. I could go on repeating myself about these pay to win servers but I want to address the majority of people defending it simply because they like the game that way: Of course you can like a game when you have the option to always win and then you hate the change that happens when the developers of the game enforce the original rules. It's literally a human attribute/nature to hate changes when you get accustomed to something.
I was basically lost in Minecraft because I switched to Multiplayer and had a nice time(during the first releases of Beta) and went back to SSP after like, 2 failed servers. I played until my hearts content but when I attempted to rejoin my fellow community members I was basically slammed in the face with "OH HERE LOOK I GET DIAMONDS DAILY BECAUSE I PAID 20$" and these other absolutely ridiculous donations. I hope the EULA enforcement will fix this and stop this madness with servers altogether. -
Jun 16, 20143
Winter_Mage posted a message on EULA Revisited: an Updated Q&A From MojangPosted in: DiscussionQuote from Netpatham
P2W, go ahead, nuke them, but the fair servers will also implode. Which is a bad thing.
What "fair" servers? If anything. The community and owner of that server should be able to keep it afloat despite eula, If not, then guess you lucked out.
A true fair server doesn't have buying perks, therefor they won't die. -
Jun 16, 20141
Bjossi posted a message on EULA Revisited: an Updated Q&A From MojangPosted in: Discussion
Those are purchases, not donations. When people donate they shouldn't expect anything in return other than a personal feeling of goodwill, they are giving money to someone or something from the kindness of their heart. Donations are not the only allowed source of income, servers can also offer purchases of cosmetic stuff, and put up a pay-once or subscription based model.Quote from JackM103All big servers are about to drop like hotcakes.They will not get any donates off of purely ascetic features.No one donates so that they are pretty. They donate for fun extra or helpful stuff.
This whole drama and doomsday outcries just seem like a storm in a glass bottle from my point of view. If anything this has exposed just how toxic the community of this game has become over the years while Mojang weren't enforcing any rules even though they have had them since the beginning. Maybe servers dying, players leaving and new life rising from the ashes of the fallen is the detox that the community needs. Certainly sounds harsh but that is the price Mojang may have to pay for allowing things to develop this way for so long. - To post a comment, please login.
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The only thing thats a disaster is the community lol
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None, edgy garbage written by teenagers doesn't really interest me that much.
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Lol this is great, Im glad they back ported this banlist to 1.7.
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I want Mojang to do this,maybe there will be some better servers coming out of this.
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You just roll your eyes, thinking the owner is really desperate. But then you see 10 more,30 more,50 more saying the same thing.
Then you realize that there are way to many servers doing the same thing, drowning out servers who don't have to hawk in game items to stay afloat. Then you just give up disgust.
Yeah...
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No one cares if you are moving somewhere else,please stop acting like we do.
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But hey end of the world you know,"Onoez I cant haz my god toolz anymoe".
To those saying their leaving because of this, no one cares you will not be missed.
The game did fine without you, one less entitled person.
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Your P2W so you really dont have a say.
P2W server owners shouldn't have a say in the matter, they were the ones who caused this mess. They drown out decent servers with their /vote nonsense, they heavily imbalance their servers in favor of the "donation" players.
I'll be glad to see you go.
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The only decent one is MineZ imho.