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"Changing the terrain is what I get the most negative feedback on ...I don't want to change the terrain anymore."
I heard that as "When we change the terrain we get lots of negative feedback, so we want to avoid doing it"
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- rem0te
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I know rigth? unfortunatly im out of upvote token
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Why is porting mod to bukkit considered ok then? They are not adding anything new, they are taking a mod that work in SMP, to a different SMP with API. Pardon me, but this is VERY similar to to the situation here.
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I did openly state previously that I dont like your attitude, but by no mean it mean I want you to leave. It takes of every kind of person to form an healthy community, and if everyone was thinking the same way, it would not be an interesting community.
That said.... I simply cannot grasp why BWF comming out affect you to the point where you feel you should stop making BTW.
*edit: an important "don't" was missing
But is argument still stand. If someone made a loader for Dreamweaver in Linux that required you to purchase the original, I doubt Adobe would object as it would mean more sales for them.
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I never said it allowed it: it is after all at the very center of this debate. I'm saying its a convention, not a right.
To be honest, I havent been "part" of many modding community, I just comment from an observer point of view. Maybe I havent observe the right place, but you don't have to be so rude about it.
Yes, copyright, intellectual property and patents are all concept that exist. But I'm pretty sure (this is an opinion, I havent checked Minecraft TOS) that the act of modding a game forfeit all those to the game owner, in this case Mojang.
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It seems you missed my reply about Santa, gift wrapping and modder rigths. Let me reiterate on that last point:
Technically, modder have no rights. Only here in the Minecraft community exist such a thing as "Mod sovereignty" convention. And its just that, a convention. Of course, convention mean that the community moraly believe this is the right thing. But its not a right, its a convention.
Do you merit the popularity that come with developing a mod? Certainly. Should people be considerate and credit your work? Thats common sense. But those are not rights.
And I personally beleive the concept of owning an idea a very bad one that is detremimental to progress and improvements.
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In all honesty, I think Santa would be very happy if people volontered to help him make gift differently. And I doubt any elves would be angry if I changed the wrapping on my gift.
Also, hate and disrecpect? I hear only praise about BTW, and everyone seem to agree its an awesome mod. Some people (me included) might have issue with your attitude, and thats normal because it is inherently human, but that doesn't mean they don't appreciate your work.
Also, to my knowledge, the minecraft modding community is pretty much the only place where "mod sovereingty" have become a convention. Everywhere else I hear that "modder have no rights at all".
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Hello FlowerChild, glad to see you chime in personally to discuss with us in a friendly maner about the subject. Greatly appreciated.
You have one big valid point here about not wanting to deal with Tech support for this. If I was in the same situation, I'd try to make some arrangement with the author of BWF. I believe this is something that can be easily resolved if both party cooperate.
However, I don't see Mojang complaining about having to do tech support for the pletora of Minecraft clones out there, nor did I hear Ablaska complain that need to do support for UniversalElectricy which use the exact same item (with the same recipe) as IC2.
As for trolls, punishment and involvement, wheter it be true or not have nothing to do, imho, with "not respecting your wish" and "stealing your idea".
I have no issue with you claiming that people are not nice with you. However, I can hardly agree with the "no means no" and "forge assimilation" campain your fans are undertaking.
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Interesting. So its a Forge BTW content loader coupled with new code to make it work in forge? As long as BTW is not distributed with it, then FC have nothing to say about it imho.
Someone's wishes can be compared to one's freedom. And it ends where other's begin. FC have no rights to dictate other's freedom. In this case, we are talking about the freedom to create a new mod based on his work.
Let's analyse those wish further, shall we?
"I do want to make BTW compatible with forge". FC is not, its someone else doing it. Wish have been respected.
"I do want want that BTW is included in any pack". As far is I can tell, it's still the case. BWF is not even out yet. Don't cry wolf needlessly.
"I wish that no one ever try to use my mod with other mods". You can wish all you want, but once I download a mod, I can use it any way I see fit, as long as I don't redistribute it or any part of it.
And correction here, its dependant on BTW arts and models, not the code.
If I allow you to download a copy of my car, you can do as you see fit with it. If I mail a copy of my computer, I don't care what people do with it.
In my book, ripping is taking without credit to the original author. I might be the wrong defining, but it is how I go about it. Here it is not the case.
"Do the work and write one" .... isnt it exactly what they are doing?
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Quoted from us government site:
So as long as they change the texture and alter the model before releasing it, its fine.
"this mod". Technically, BWF (IF it's ever to be included in a mod-pack, IF it's ever to be release) is not "this" mod refered in that quote.
Again, those are technical fact, have nothing to do whether or not I approve those definition.
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- FlowerChild as no intention to make BTW compatible with forge while Eloraam clearly stated she would keep updating RP. Please compare apple to apple. That said, if Eloraam had said she would never update RP anymore, I'm sure a clone would have popped already... In fact, aparts from frames, pretty much all of the ideas in RP have been cloned already.
- Again, please compare apple to apple. Big company that invest MILLIONS of dollars to make games do copyright their assets, and 341 would sue XYZ for stealing their art and assets. They might be able to hold a court about idea stealing if the name or story is the same. As for code, and gameplay mechanics they could do nothing about it and it would be fine like that. That said, if such a case would be to happen, the gamer and critics would simply destroy the lesser of the two.
- I'm not an hypocrite, please don't generalize.
Finally, did you create a new account just to post that?That. Being civilized, especially if (not saying it is) the other party isn't, and try to find a compromise would have been more beneficial both for him and the community as a whole.
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It might take some time yeah, as BTW is not a small mod so even after the code re-write their will be a lot of debuging before they can even consider releasing it. I doubt its a joke tho.
For now, all we know come from this stream:
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Im with you on that. "Owning" an idea is a terrible concept. Idea should be free. Thats how progress work. As long as they state something around the line of "Original idea by FlowerChild" I am totaly fine with the concept of rewritting a mod from scratch to make it more compatible.
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I can try. I used to think 128 wouldnt even work but it turned out acceptable. So I'll look into it.Thanks
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