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Depends on how cheap, I'm a Dev for my server but not plugin dev, and we need someone REALLY good and don't know how much we can pay you.

You'll Have to know thing on how to re-skin a mob with it's been hit an such

You realize that isn't possible without reflection, injection, or inflection.

I am pretty sure this isn't possible period (Requires altered Client files since skin rendering is client side). also inflection isnt a thing and injection requires ASM know-how.

It's possible. I have experience with ASM and BCEL so I would know.


anythings possibif yo you can change code.

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You realize that isn't possible without reflection, injection, or inflection.

I am pretty sure this isn't possible period (Requires altered Client files since skin rendering is client side). also inflection isnt a thing and injection requires ASM know-how.

Also did you just say inflection isn't real? Go read a book before replying again.

Inflection is a pluralization process how the **** does that apply here? and there is no technique called "inflection" or do you wish to enlighten me? cuz I sure as hell cant find anything on it

Inflection is simply using injection and reflection. I'm not going to explain it in more detail or show examples because you're the kind of guy who gets mad because he doesn't know ****. Like I said before, go read a book.

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Depends on how cheap, I'm a Dev for my server but not plugin dev, and we need someone REALLY good and don't know how much we can pay you.

You'll Have to know thing on how to re-skin a mob with it's been hit an such

You realize that isn't possible without reflection, injection, or inflection.

I am pretty sure this isn't possible period (Requires altered Client files since skin rendering is client side). also inflection isnt a thing and injection requires ASM know-how.

Also did you just say inflection isn't real? Go read a book before replying again.

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I rated myself a 9 because the question of 'how good of a developer are you?' is unbiased as hell.

I think you meant it is biased as hell. Learn English.

When was it ever said that I was a professional? Did I ever mention that?

That wasn't even a reference to you. Perhaps read other posts, especially when I reference multiple? I also love the fact that you tried to defend this. You literally QUOTED the post that says verbatim, "10 - I am a professional in java."

Do you know what work I've done outside of Minecraft? Have you seen my contributions to open-source projects? Are you aware of the job opportunities I've been given and the people/companies I have worked with?

Well, let's see... I've been offered a higher-than-entry-level position at Amazon when I'm 18, I might have a reason to be a little bit cocky, and even then, I did point out that I'm not trying to be. The idea is not to bash based on age. It's the experience. The point of the post was that before you get a REAL job in the field, you don't realize how much you DON'T know. And until then, you think you know a lot.

I think not, therefore you shouldn't criticize and blatantly stereotype developers. Especially those who start out in Minecraft or other gaming communities. It's best to learn in a way that you feel comfortable but challenging. Minecraft modding and server plugin development is seen as a challenge for a load of people. Not everyone has 7 years of job experience on the line prior to it, and it's not to be expected by anyone.

No, but I have seen your godawfully wrong conceptions of abstraction and object-oriented design. Given that, I doubt you've had any actual work opportunities, perhaps aside from some small local start-ups.

I think not, therefore you shouldn't criticize and blatantly stereotype developers. Especially those who start out in Minecraft or other gaming communities. It's best to learn in a way that you feel comfortable but challenging. Minecraft modding and server plugin development is seen as a challenge for a load of people. Not everyone has 7 years of job experience on the line prior to it, and it's not to be expected by anyone.

Who said I was bashing those who started with Minecraft? I started with Minecraft, in a way. There's nothing in my post bashing those who start with minecraft, just those who don't try to take it further... Don't take my words out of context.

You don't know that. Clearly I'm no prodigy, nor would I ever even consider myself one.

I rated myself a 9

Do I need to comment on this? Okay, first off, 9/10 is pretty high -- maybe just my scale? Maybe you have a warped scale that loops back around and hits 0 if you exceed 10? I dunno. Second, just come back to these forums after you've started your first actual career, should you choose to go into software. You'll understand everything. Trust me.

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div>Quote from TheLunarFrog »Oh jeez.

I think it's funny that you ask developers to rate themselves and not give you work samples. I suggest referring to Lord Ralex's post on staff applications.

Most of the developers here are completely clueless... I'm sure including the two that have posted here (though I don't mean to bash them without looking at their works). It just seems silly that they'd rate themselves as 9 and 10 (even a "professional in java") at 18 and 17 years old...

For perspective, I'm 18 and I hold a position as a software engineer (yes, an engineer, not a developer -- there's a difference, thanks) full-time, working with payments, security, and networks... And even through all that I'd done with that stuff before this job, I thought I knew a lot. Man, was I wrong -- and it's not like I didn't know advanced stuff, either; I've been working with secure sockets/data transfer and large-scale concurrency for years. Working in the PCI (Payment Card Industry) has thrown a lot of stuff at me, especially working for a company that sells to Google Wallet, PayPal, MasterCard, Visa... You name it, we probably sell to them, assuming they do their own payments. But then again, I was also offered an interview and thereafter a job at Amazon because of my open-source work samples (no, not Minecraft related; my plugins are on a totally separate github) and certifications. Make what you want of that. Point being, an actual job forces you to learn; a job off these forums... Not so much, so you get freelancers who think they're the best.

TL;DR: Don't expect much out of these forums. Everyone thinks they're a 13-17 year old programming prodigy, but they aren't.

P.S. You aren't allowed to offer monetary compensation on these forums. Also, I'm not trying to bash people, just put these forums into perspective.

While I agree that the majority of people think they know a lot, some people, and what happens to be one of the people who applied is actually a bukkitdev staff (unlucky you? xD). https://forums.bukkit.org/members/zeusallmighty11.90610/
Also, there are a plethora of extremely talented people on these forums. Like the guy who wrote his own OS from scratch in assembly (he stemmed from researching how computers work in redstone). Additionally, while I do agree a real job puts a lot of things in perspective and how we all live in a shitty world. I have also expressed my anger on these forums of 11 year olds who claim to have 2 years experience and are "extremely mature" I have interacted with many mature and talented people on these forums.

TL;DR Dont be fooled by everyone who thinks their a prodigy but there are the few people who really are really talented at what they do.

I also get the vibe that you think you are superior to others who you have done no background research on.

Couple of things on this, I'm not going to bother separating them out, I'll just bullet them because I'm tired of this thread.

• He's bukkitdev staff, good for him. What's he going to do, take my plugins down? He'd likely get removed from staff and receive an infraction for it. Especially now that he has retaliated.
• I never said there aren't talented people here. There are, however, an exorbitantly large majority that are not.
• What, in any regard, does maturity have to do with capability? A pre-teen can be well-mannered but clueless.
• Your TL;DR is literally my post

• He's bukkitdev staff, good for him. What's he going to do, take my plugins down? He'd likely get removed from staff and receive an infraction for it. Especially now that he has retaliated.

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Hey ooosssososos I could use you on my server. If you would like to know more PM me.

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Name: Ashutosh

Skype: constantpb

Experience: 2 years Java, 93% scored on OCJP test

How much you want to be payed: Depends on the plugin, I'll speak up if it's too low, or if its too much.

I'm out of the country (and continent) so you can probably tell that I'm away from my PC, you'll have to wait until the 16th of this month until I can access Skype or start developing.

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Depends on how cheap, I'm a Dev for my server but not plugin dev, and we need someone REALLY good and don't know how much we can pay you.

You'll Have to know thing on how to re-skin a mob with it's been hit an such

You realize that isn't possible without reflection, injection, or inflection.

div>Quote from TheLunarFrog »Oh jeez.

I think it's funny that you ask developers to rate themselves and not give you work samples. I suggest referring to Lord Ralex's post on staff applications.

Most of the developers here are completely clueless... I'm sure including the two that have posted here (though I don't mean to bash them without looking at their works). It just seems silly that they'd rate themselves as 9 and 10 (even a "professional in java") at 18 and 17 years old...

For perspective, I'm 18 and I hold a position as a software engineer (yes, an engineer, not a developer -- there's a difference, thanks) full-time, working with payments, security, and networks... And even through all that I'd done with that stuff before this job, I thought I knew a lot. Man, was I wrong -- and it's not like I didn't know advanced stuff, either; I've been working with secure sockets/data transfer and large-scale concurrency for years. Working in the PCI (Payment Card Industry) has thrown a lot of stuff at me, especially working for a company that sells to Google Wallet, PayPal, MasterCard, Visa... You name it, we probably sell to them, assuming they do their own payments. But then again, I was also offered an interview and thereafter a job at Amazon because of my open-source work samples (no, not Minecraft related; my plugins are on a totally separate github) and certifications. Make what you want of that. Point being, an actual job forces you to learn; a job off these forums... Not so much, so you get freelancers who think they're the best.

TL;DR: Don't expect much out of these forums. Everyone thinks they're a 13-17 year old programming prodigy, but they aren't.

P.S. You aren't allowed to offer monetary compensation on these forums. Also, I'm not trying to bash people, just put these forums into perspective.