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    posted a message on Florida Laws on Tickets
    Quote from Viet1982

    They should consider selling single day passes.


    I agree, I'm taking kids who likely won't be interested in most of the break out sessions and would be happy with access to the floor. There's also a lot for families to do in Orlando, so families taking kids might not spend both days at Minecon. 1-day tickets, floor access tickets and separate tickets for the more intimate breakout groups (like comi-con does) would have made a lot of sense and it would have allowed more people to enjoy the event. But Mojang stated "we are a game company - not a convention company", I think that's their way of justifying some of the shortcuts/simplicity surrounding the event.
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    posted a message on Florida Laws on Tickets
    Quote from Viet1982

    Its a forum, a forum to discuss things...


    I appreciated the post. I'm not going Sunday and was hoping to let someone else into the event and recoup some costs and offer an opportunity for someone who didn't get tickets. It was useful to know that due to Mojangs non-transferable policy I can't do this under Florida law. Sorry Minecraft fans.
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    posted a message on Florida Laws on Tickets
    In most cases, people aren't really selling the tickets at a high price. Rather, people are buying them at a high price.

    One of the reasons the price is so high is that due to the strict policies intended to prevent scalping there are not many tickets available on secondary markets. If there were more available the prices would plunge.

    I agree with doing everything possible to prevent scalpers from getting the tickets. There are effective ways to do that. Trying to control it after the fact creates a mess and also creates some hardships for legitimate ticket holders and fans.
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    posted a message on Name on ticket
    The official answer is "call Eventbrite"...from there, people get various answers ranging from "no problem" to "the name of a person in the party must match the ticket".

    I don't think you'll have an issue, but good luck getting a clear answer.
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    posted a message on Minecon Ranting about Ranting
    Quote from Summit

    seems every other topic is a rant.


    Wait, this topic is a rant. I could rant about that but then it would be a rant of a rant of a rant.

    I get that there's a lot of complaints and that's annoying for people moving on and looking forward to Minecon. But at the same time, for Mojang to learn from past mistakes and keep improving the event each year, complaints need to be voiced.

    Next year, when ticket sales go smoothly, lines are handled more efficiently, the venue seems perfect, etc you will be able to look back and thank all the little people who complained.
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    posted a message on Minecon Scalpers
    The people on both end of those ebay transactions are happy. It's just the market determining the value. Mojang could have simply held all tickets at Will-Call requiring ID/credit card to properly enforce a no scalping policy. Some concerts and events already do this and it eliminates nearly all online scalping for an event.

    The ticketing site had a lot of issues in distribuing tickets fairly. But still the number of tickets that have gone up on secondary markets is less than one percent of the total tickets for this event.

    At this point people just want to find a way to go. If Mojang had an open policy on reselling, the value would be lower due to the higher supply and more people would get a shot at going. Next year though Mojang, do it right.
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    posted a message on Minecon Rant Topic
    I've had a difficult time finding an answer to the following question. If I want to go Saturday and not Sunday...can I offer someone else access to the event? Anyone know how 2nd day access be addressed?

    Clearly the exhibitors would want people on the floor, the Minecraft community would prefer to have more options to attend the event as well.
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    posted a message on Can I give Ticket to family?
    Quote from Viet1982

    So the screenshot below shows the response I got from Mojang Customer Support asking about transferring tickets:


    From what I've heard, Eventbrite is telling people just to change the name on the tickets on their site and reprint them and also that groups will not have issues if they can't arrive at the same time. Can you let us know how your experience goes with them?

    It seems the only bit of confusion left on this issue is the fact that Mojang stated "Tickets are non-tranferrable - strictly enforced via barcodes and names."

    I propose they change the policy to more accurately reflect whats going on "Tickets are kind of transferrable and might even be enforced via barcodes and names. Please check with Eventbrite for additional details as we would prefer not to go on record"

    Wish they would make this clear-as-day rather than clear-as-mud.
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    posted a message on Minecon Scalpers
    Quote from Swampchick

    You're right, and if EventBrite had used CAPTCHA a lot of the bot purchases could have been avoided.


    Thats true. I asked friends to help me out with ticket purchases...one of my programmer friends offered to create a bot because it was so easy to do that for this site (mainly because it had no protection such as CAPTCHA). I didn't ask him to go ahead and spend the time doing that but apparently it's not that difficult. Given the number of programmers in the Minecraft community I'm sure some took advantage of the loophole.

    Eventbrite was just a bad choice for a ticketing partner.

    It would be nice if they sold single day tickets and more floor tickets / seperate tickets for special sessions like comi-con does.
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    posted a message on Minecon Scalpers
    Quote from Swampchick

    There are so many things wrong with this, that I don't know where to start.


    People buy and resell tickets for nearly every event. I can't think of many events that this doesn't happen to. Nearly all events now have electronic/printable tickets that could be duplicated. That's why you go by the reputation of the seller. There are a lot of legitimate reasons for wanting to sell a ticket.

    Let's say someone who got a ticket and intended to go to the event meets another Minecraft fan who want's to go so bad they offer more for the ticket. If the ticket is sold, it's win/win and both parties are happy. It's really not helping anyone trying to prevent these things.

    It was so hard to get tickets many people recruited friends and family members to help them out. In some cases, those people paid for the tickets on their credit cards to be reimbursed. Now some people have been confused into thinking that those tickets are not valid because they don't have the right name on them. Some of the policies intended to prevent scalping are actually hurting true fans of the game.

    Mojang could have required that the original purchaser be present to show ID/purchasing credit card...while holding the tickets at will-call if they wanted to prevent this.
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    posted a message on Can I give Ticket to family?
    Quote from bob_rocks2

    Thank you all. As I stated in the beginning of this topic, I will not be going. It is sad that no one will get to enjoy the gift I bought and I may have just wasted my hard earned money.


    I don't think you are out of options. Vui Bui's post today at Mojang helped to clarify a few things.

    - There is a way to get refunded for tickets since they have changed the minimum age (requiring a parent) from 16 to 13.
    - When they addressed tickets that were sold through an avenue such as ebay they stated "we don’t recommend buying them second hand from scalpers, because they are terribly expensive and there’s no way to guarantee that you will be getting genuine tickets" However, it was more revealing what they didn't say. Specificlly, they did not indicate that the tickets would not be able to be used for entry into the event.

    So, either get a refund or go ahead and use the tickets...they will get in. As added insurance, change the name on the ticket at Eventbrite.
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    posted a message on Reality Check for Minecon
    Quote from jomant

    Hope everything goes good at the Lobby and we wont have a Kiddy Riot because somebody bought a fake or an resold Ticket


    Imagine a family who paid ebay prices + flights + hotel showing up to the convention with thier kids, whose dream it was to attend minecon, getting denied entrance?

    My guess is that if the barcode is not already used they will be getting in regardless of who originally bought the ticket. If not, it will make for some interesting YouTube videos.
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    posted a message on Reality Check for Minecon
    Agreed. I feel a bit bad for the organizers that their hard work and good intentions have been met with quite a bit of anger this time around. It's important to point out what you have to keep things in perspective.

    That said, I hope a few things can be learned.

    - The ticketing site was terrible at maintaining a true line which awarded tickets to who came first. It was more of a random lottery because the site was easily gamed and overloaded. At the very least a CAPTCHA system could have been implemented...that's quick and easy. Then it wouldn't have been possible to easily create bots to purchase the tickets.

    - If Mojang is serious about only allowing the original purchaser into the event and is truely going to ID everyone anyway why not hold all the tickets at will call? That would have prevented all of the current ebay sales and scalping. Now people who bought tickets for friends and family are completely confused by Mojangs policies regarding entry into this event.

    - It was an overall fustrating experiance for people. Tickets went on sale the day they were announced so some people missed out on the first Friday sale. "Sold Out" didn't appear for over an hour with Batch 1, 45 minutes with batch 2 and 30 minutes with Batch 3. That meant a lot of time hitting refresh trying to get a ticket. For most, it didn't pay off. I've never had such a frustrating experiance with any other ticket site as the queued lines don't usually error out if the servers can handle the load.
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    posted a message on Can I give Ticket to family?
    If Mojang was serious about enforcing this policy they could have simply held all the tickets at willcall and clearly stated that the original purchaser would need ID and the purchasing credit card with them to receive tickets. That would have eliminated 100% of the current ebay ticket sales.

    Some might think, imagine how long that would take? It would take hours to get 7500 in the building. Well, not any longer than the current proposed system of checking everyone's ID and scanning the bar code to find the original purchaser. Thats why I don't buy it. They will just scan the barcodes to verify that the ticket is authentic and let people in.

    I believe they are simply trying to be as vague and forcefull in their wording as possible at this point to dissuade anyone from selling tickets.

    In the end, exhibitors want people on the floor in the convention center to buy stuff. It would be interesting to see the reaction of people who paid $500+ per ticket and flew across the country to attend the event with thier kids be denied entry though.
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    posted a message on If only going one day - is it possible to allow someone else to go 2nd day?
    So, lets say I scored Minecon tickets and only plan on attending Saturday?

    There's a lot of people that would love to go to Minecon and either can't get tickets or think the tickets are too expensive. Exhibitors and vendors would prefer to have people on the floor spending thier money as well.

    It would be a shame to have the Sunday access go to waste.

    So my question for someone who has been to the event in the past...how do they handle second day access?

    I'm assuming they don't scan tickets again. Is it a wristband or some kind of other pass? Is it possilble to let someone else in with it?

    Any details appreciated.
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