With the options presented here, B is the obvious choice. However... I still believe there should be another way to fix our issues with constantly having to bump packs up for visibility, and not clog up the first few pages with crap. I'm gonna stick to my guns here and say we need to get Curse behind us for hosting packs/mods on Curse proper that way they are sorted properly, always visible, etc. and have our forum thread linked from the Curse post. I honestly think we need a static display for packs/mods on a single host, and the forum should be for suggestions and discussion only. It would eliminate ANY confusion on the part of new users as they would see a link to minecraft.curse.com on the Minecraft site that says Texture Packs & Mods just like the link to these forums. It just makes sense. We just need to get Mojang and Curse to work out the deal. I know, you guys hate the idea of change, but we DO need something different... and this is a solution that would work for everyone in the long run. We should focus on getting it to happen imo.
And thank you citric for stepping in again in a crisis. keep being awesome man! :tongue.gif:
I have a question about hosting here, should that ever come about. What about those of us who've taken a liking to another site, like the one linked to in my signature? Would there ever be a way to list the pack under downloads but keep the actual download elsewhere?
I don't think there will be the ability to upload here in the near future, but still, it wouldn't be something I could support if that ability weren't present.
Actually, that's how I got here (as I said, I never check the Texture Pack area.... Sorry again). The title looked important enough (even though it was moved) that I decided to check it. I'm glad I did. I'd post a thread in the modding section, but being a "nobody", I doubt it would be very useful. And that's assuming it doesn't get moved. This needs to be discussed in the "Modding" section, not in the "modding and discussion" area. I honestly don't check *anything* outside "released mods" section. I'm sure there's others like me. I'm concerned, because the proposal, as I understand it, severely negatively effects mod authors. They should be spending their time updating/fixing their mod (and LIFE first and foremost), and not on updating/maintaining their thread. If I were a mod author, I would create ONE thread (regardless of the various sections/rules), and only maintain that. If I had to create a thread for all of the various sections (to avoid being banned or something), I'd only ever look at ONE thread, and I'd ignore all the others. It's just not worth the effort, especially considering the amount of time/effort necessary to create the mod in the first place.
Perhaps, instead of splitting up discussion and whatnot, a new WIKI page be created, that lists ALL current mods, alphabetically, with a link to the appropriate thread. And, as a rule for new mods, they have to update this WIKI page with their mod. That way, they only need to do it once, and not worry about it later. This would make it easier to see which mods are current, updated, and available. It'd be easier to search a list of mods, than the forums as they are now.
When a new version of Minecraft comes out, the "Current MODs" wiki page is renamed something like "MODs for <VERSION NUMBER>", and an entirely new "Current MODs" page is created. Then, as the mod author updates their mod to work with new versions of Minecraft, they update the WIKI page accordingly. This would also allow users to ease the burden on MOD authors, as the users could update the page for them. And, in the instance of a MOD author disappearing, sometimes their work is picked up by a user. The user could then update the WIKI page, linking to the post where they created the update, without having to modify the OP.
If such a WIKI page already exists (or anything even somewhat similar), then its presence needs to be made significantly more apparent. I'd check there, if such a page existed (and it might), but I've seen no indication that such a page exists.
Hopefully a revised restructuring proposal can be made for the modding section. Even as a USER, I don't like what I'm hearing, let alone the problems it creates for MOD authors.... Mouser X over and out.
That sounds like something that could easily be vandalized.
I apologize for driving the semi-truck of my brain down your throat. Hasn't been a good week for me (not a good excuse though)
Technically my pack isn't popular. It is highly stylized and many people don't want that. That was a design choice. The main thing that helped me was posting a ****-ton on the forums, giving feedback on dozens of threads etc...
Yeah, it's cool. On top of whatever stuff you've had going on we're all a little worked up over this mess too, so I get it. I don't hold grudges either way, they're pretty much never worth the effort.
I'd be just as happy with making the filters more apparent, really. Visible buttons or a drop-down I can change on the fly that remembers my last choice would be wonderful.
IF there is any restructuring done there MUST be a filter drop down list.
As for the insulting reference to people not having a life out of minecraft.
**** YOU!
This forum helped me start my own game design company solely because I was on it so much (and was able to prove my skills). If a person does not want to spend the time to promote their work that is their own fault. I have no problem with it, there are plenty of good packs with in active creators; But here is a solid fact about anything internet related.
IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SEE IT YOU MUST PROMOTE IT. That is why companies have ENTIRE departments dedicated to SEO (search engine optimization)
You cannot just post your stuff on a forum and hope for it to flourish. With the current system (if the mods did their ****ing jobs) hard work would be rewarded. With the new system it wouldn't.
I wasn't referring to playing Minecraft or even browsing the forums. I was referring to making sure you're the most popular and always on the first page, which in my opinion is ultimately a waste of time. Making sure what you're putting out is good is important, and having open discussion with the people you're providing to is important. But denying people the chance to be discovered freshly when it can be done is shitty. What if nobody ever bothered to look at your thread because it wasn't a big popular pack? Would you still have started your own company?
Christ, I don't even disagree with you. If you want to be popular you do have to promote it, and we should have an easy way to find filters. I don't really have a life myself, but I don't want an incredibly popular pack and don't want to have to constantly bump my thread to get people to look at it. If they can see it for a little bit after every update, I'd be happy.
At least, if I decide I want to make a pack proper. As of now I just make textures and put them up on MinecraftCustomizer and that's good for me.
And all those friends telling people about it are linking, or their friends can usually use Google. No, I don't think that new talent should be at a distinct disadvantage when this idea still allows the big ones to be at the top of the discussion section.
Nobody is denying you users. The fact that they looked at some packs before getting to yours shouldn't bother you if you're actually confident your pack is worth looking at. If yours is better, they will use it. If it's not, they'll be happy with that one they saw before.
With this, you'd still have a place to play your popularity game. You should be happy with that. Meanwhile, those of us with a life or at least more interesting things to do than play this game can inform someone of our nice textures and then move on until the next update if we wish and maybe someone will actually see it.
Hell, under the sub-board with the descriptions they can even say, along with that the boards are for, "This one will usually have more popular packs at the top," and "This one will have the latest updates at the top."
were not saying make the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor, we just think that packs that have worked hard for a large userbase deserve it more than "superduper minesimplecraft 3x3 colored goodness" that is all just blocks that are straight one color (I mean no offence to anyone). I agree new packs need a good footing to start and I think the way it is right now they can. I got of my feet just fine, so have countless other packs.
Hence why the two board structure can work. Someone wants the most popular, they go to the comments section. Someone wants the most recent, they go to the downloads section. I'd even suggest a mod sticky a thread explaining that and the searching/filtering stuff, because I don't know about most of it and I've been here for a while now.
I don't care if the big guys are on top, i just don't think that having every ones post constantly buried under other NEWER packs is fair. Good, popular packs (Im talking about posts that get lots of VIEWS, not necessarily bumps, cause i agree with that, i hate just bumps for the sake of bumping..) should be on top.
I think that not all good packs are popular and that packs, just because they managed to get popular under this system in the first place, should get to stay at the top forever (baring the occasional push back of new packs) just because they're already popular.
The screenshots of the pack itself aren't bad (though I strongly suggest having an actual sun), so why is the formatting of your post so appalling? Did you purposely choose the worst colors given to you or do you actually think using that many smiles as separators (not even the same ones for each row) looks good?
Heres the thing though. With option A, popular packs like Doku, JohnSmith, Misa, Photorealism, stealfeather's threads, and steampunk simply wont exist on the Download section as they get updated once or twice a month and will get burried under a constant stream of simple and new packs almost instantly, meaning that the huge majorty of the community who browses the forum for those popular packs just wont ever go to the download section, making it a dead forum filled with crappy simple packs and spam update bumps. It wont profit anyone.
Only bumps aren't allowed and those will likely be near the top of the discussion section. Anyone coming from another site to find them will have likely been linked directly to the thread, and most of us who browse regularly will already know how to find them (browse or search).
Now it really just feels like you want to keep the big guys at the top and ignore everyone else.
I voted A, but what I'd like in specific is a place to discuss the making of texture packs, texture contests/challenges, and things like Lilyo's thread which is basically a directory of the texture packs being maintained currently. I want this to be linked here, not off where most users won't think to look for formatting rules and help.
How many packs do you have favorited? There is an enormous amount of images that need to be downloaded and that could possibly be overloading it.
Could be. I have six packs favorited, then there's my pack, then there's the individual textures I've favorited separate to that. It's a good amount, and they're mostly x64. Does it call all of the images in the customizer and then assemble my choices on attempting to download? If that's the case, then yeah, that's probably it. But if that's the case then couldn't there also be a more efficient way to do things or no?
Guys, at this point it's been brought down to two sub-boards, and it seems much more reasonable. I'm not saying you should stop debating your point, I'm just thinking it's childish to keep mentioning how many people are going to leave at this point. We're communicating with the administration. I thought the big deal was the lack of communication, but I guess anything other than exactly what you want is completely wrong?
Also, little note. If we need to include the last update date in our thread title, can it be day/month/year? Having the opposite order makes less sense, the year doesn't change as often as the day. Also, break it up a little with underscores or slashes or something, a jumble of numbers is difficult to understand on a glance. :smile.gif:
But question: if we're only allowed to post in those threads when we update, why do we need to put the date in the title? Is it convenience for the search engine?
Side note on reading kabonos' post: Is there some way to make the comments thread show up automatically? And lock the download/about thread to just the author and mods/admins? That way you only have to post in that thread each update, and don't really need to 'maintain' it otherwise. The discussion goes to the other thread, of course.
I must say, I still don't get the division between Minecraft versions, though. If the new packs are bumped to the top when updated then they're going to be for the latest version.
Similarly, having the other things in a separate section as anything but a subsection of texture packs doesn't sound like a good idea, but I could be wrong on that. The thing is, there are some posts, like Lilyo's thread that's basically a texture pack directory. Just a day ago I was formatting a post that better outlined the rules of the sub-board in one place, kind of like a quick thing to link to if someone isn't following them (instead of the three threads they didn't read in the first place). I was going to ask for some feedback before this mess started (to see if I misinterpreted anything, what links I should add, etc).
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I have a question about hosting here, should that ever come about. What about those of us who've taken a liking to another site, like the one linked to in my signature? Would there ever be a way to list the pack under downloads but keep the actual download elsewhere?
I don't think there will be the ability to upload here in the near future, but still, it wouldn't be something I could support if that ability weren't present.
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That sounds like something that could easily be vandalized.
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Yeah, it's cool. On top of whatever stuff you've had going on we're all a little worked up over this mess too, so I get it. I don't hold grudges either way, they're pretty much never worth the effort.
I'd be just as happy with making the filters more apparent, really. Visible buttons or a drop-down I can change on the fly that remembers my last choice would be wonderful.
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I wasn't referring to playing Minecraft or even browsing the forums. I was referring to making sure you're the most popular and always on the first page, which in my opinion is ultimately a waste of time. Making sure what you're putting out is good is important, and having open discussion with the people you're providing to is important. But denying people the chance to be discovered freshly when it can be done is shitty. What if nobody ever bothered to look at your thread because it wasn't a big popular pack? Would you still have started your own company?
Christ, I don't even disagree with you. If you want to be popular you do have to promote it, and we should have an easy way to find filters. I don't really have a life myself, but I don't want an incredibly popular pack and don't want to have to constantly bump my thread to get people to look at it. If they can see it for a little bit after every update, I'd be happy.
At least, if I decide I want to make a pack proper. As of now I just make textures and put them up on MinecraftCustomizer and that's good for me.
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Nobody is denying you users. The fact that they looked at some packs before getting to yours shouldn't bother you if you're actually confident your pack is worth looking at. If yours is better, they will use it. If it's not, they'll be happy with that one they saw before.
With this, you'd still have a place to play your popularity game. You should be happy with that. Meanwhile, those of us with a life or at least more interesting things to do than play this game can inform someone of our nice textures and then move on until the next update if we wish and maybe someone will actually see it.
Hell, under the sub-board with the descriptions they can even say, along with that the boards are for, "This one will usually have more popular packs at the top," and "This one will have the latest updates at the top."
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And the idea that instead of automatically choosing the most popular packs they might give a new one a try without bias bothers you?
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Hence why the two board structure can work. Someone wants the most popular, they go to the comments section. Someone wants the most recent, they go to the downloads section. I'd even suggest a mod sticky a thread explaining that and the searching/filtering stuff, because I don't know about most of it and I've been here for a while now.
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I think that not all good packs are popular and that packs, just because they managed to get popular under this system in the first place, should get to stay at the top forever (baring the occasional push back of new packs) just because they're already popular.
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Only bumps aren't allowed and those will likely be near the top of the discussion section. Anyone coming from another site to find them will have likely been linked directly to the thread, and most of us who browse regularly will already know how to find them (browse or search).
Now it really just feels like you want to keep the big guys at the top and ignore everyone else.
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Could be. I have six packs favorited, then there's my pack, then there's the individual textures I've favorited separate to that. It's a good amount, and they're mostly x64. Does it call all of the images in the customizer and then assemble my choices on attempting to download? If that's the case, then yeah, that's probably it. But if that's the case then couldn't there also be a more efficient way to do things or no?
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Well... It wasn't really you I was referring to.
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Also, little note. If we need to include the last update date in our thread title, can it be day/month/year? Having the opposite order makes less sense, the year doesn't change as often as the day. Also, break it up a little with underscores or slashes or something, a jumble of numbers is difficult to understand on a glance. :smile.gif:
But question: if we're only allowed to post in those threads when we update, why do we need to put the date in the title? Is it convenience for the search engine?
Side note on reading kabonos' post: Is there some way to make the comments thread show up automatically? And lock the download/about thread to just the author and mods/admins? That way you only have to post in that thread each update, and don't really need to 'maintain' it otherwise. The discussion goes to the other thread, of course.
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Similarly, having the other things in a separate section as anything but a subsection of texture packs doesn't sound like a good idea, but I could be wrong on that. The thing is, there are some posts, like Lilyo's thread that's basically a texture pack directory. Just a day ago I was formatting a post that better outlined the rules of the sub-board in one place, kind of like a quick thing to link to if someone isn't following them (instead of the three threads they didn't read in the first place). I was going to ask for some feedback before this mess started (to see if I misinterpreted anything, what links I should add, etc).