Look, let's just say, maybe, that the randomness is supposed to be frustrating. Maybe that adds to the the experience? If you really cared, you'd suck it up, move on, or take out your stress on the nearest pig.
You're completely wrong there, jeb says he wants to improve the enchantment system and it was announced somewhere on the forums
(i doubt this post did anything towards that but its great to hear about an improvement.)
so basically yeah they made it frustrating on accident cause of lack of a better idea.
it would be pretty stupid and literally spitting in the community's face if it was intentionally bad.
and no, i won't suck anything up, i use nbt edit to keep restoring my EXP and removing the enchantment till i get a decent one
if it was intentionally frustrating then it would only make the game worse, maybe if they kept the sword damage like in 1.7 then yeah i could see it being frustrating to add to it, you get better equips than before but you might not, but you HAVE to enchant to get the items back up to the old standard.
Hello all! This guy posted another thread (to get away from the naysayers? NAY), and I suspect he added me to his ignore list. It's funny because now I can post whatever I want without him knowing Anyway, I thought I'd share that thread's first post here, and my line-by-line reply. Ohohoho. This is a repost, but that other thread isn't going anywhere fast due to LOCKAGE so I'm putting it where people can reply.
DANGER: SA SMILEYS MAKE EVERY POST MUCH BETTER AND I AM NOW HOPELESSLY ADDICTED TO THEM SO WATCH OUT
Well this is a bit of a re-do or addon to the post i made "THE ENCHANTMENT SYSTEM IS A RIPOFF SOMETHING MUST BE DONE ABOUT IT."
I hope this one doesn't devolve into passive-aggressive arguing and thenblaming it on other people. I am filled with expectation!
Which can be found here: [url="http://www.minecraft...2/#entry13825362"]http://www.minecraft...2#entry13825362[/url]
Nobody knows how to use the [url=whateverurlyouwant.com] tag and it makes me sad.
Anyways
Commas, man, COMMAS!!
I did and didn't expect it to get much attention, i was thinking someone might be more inspired to make a full effort to get a change to the enchantment system, what i hope for is to get enough peoples attention that they get the information to the actual developers that what we want
I'm counting this as a break because of capitalized "Now". ANYWAY: So you weren't expecting your thread to get people opinionated. Maybe that's because you can't help but put biases in the titles themselves? Meanwhile, this is basically an online petition. It's a good thing those always work!
Now is a better enchantment system
Now is a... uh... what...
I did kinda just rant and ***** about it in the first topic which wasn't completely what i intended,
There is an international period shortage here. From now on, even commas are fair game! Well, acknowledging the ranting and bitching is the first step I guess but you still blame it as "not what you intended" instead of BEING A MAN™. Oh well...
the whole intent of this is again: to get word to the developers that we want a change and now.
Ooh, good, a petition. Never before have I been so glad that the developers never pay attention to this godforsaken forum
And hopefully they will listen, there are alot of people that talk to mojang and its possible if enough people show they dislike this system
Oh no. He wants only his people to get a say in this! NOOOOOOOOO WHERE IS MY REPRESENTATION BY POPULATION
Alot of users posted and it was a nice discussion and changed my views a little
Well, that's good. Except I think you forgot what "nice" meant
sure the randomness could be fun, but it isn't, because like i said "you can spend 45 points and get a similar enchantment you could get with 16 points" something like that.
And why is it not fun? BECAUSE I SAID SO!! HAHAHAHAHA TAKE THAT, LOGIC
there were users talking about "controlled randomness" like the terrain generation, this is a very good idea and it adapts to the random nature of the game
It is controlled randomness though. I mean, there's always a bit of random, but you try getting Silk Touch with only 3 levels
i think it should be random but you need to Get what you pay for, sure there's nothing wrong with it being random since that is what minecraft is,
Get what you pay for in Minecraft? I paid $15 and got a game, so I can only assume this is a metaphor. Currently, he says that randomness is good. I have a feeling I'm going to be let down soon...
but if the biomes were random like the enchantment it would be a giant mess, no biome could be depicted from another.
Deserts can spawn next to tundras you know
So i think a way to improve it is put limits on how bad the enchantments are that you can get.
Ooh, now we get into the "science" justification bit.
say you spend a certain number of points, you get a random enchantment but guaranteed a certain level corresponding to how many points you spend,
Points? Oh, you mean exp but you want to make it sound more important than it is I guess. Got it (FOR NOW).
it could even be like level 10 and up = level 1 enchantment, level 20 and up= level 2 enchantments and so on
That's way worse than the system we have now you know (I got Efficiency II and Unbreaking II for 4 levels. Then I got the same thing for 14 levels... and yet that's 4 times better than this suggested fix! Aargh!)
but im sure someone could make alot better of an example.
Sure, if I agreed instead of just accepting features as they are now I guess VV
or others could think of alot better ideas and they have through mods
So this thread is just angry self-depreciating rage? Huh...
So with that, i'm leaving it to the community, we need to spread word to the developers that we want a better system now,
Dear Mojang: No actually I'm pretty okay thank you.
i don't care if its this post or a post from someone i've never met, we want a better system.
Dear Mojang: Actually we're doing pretty well so far.
one more thing, they added arrows sticking into mobs, it was a real hype in the "adventure update" propaganda which managed to disappoint.
Dear Mojang: See, this guy mistakes hype for "propaganda". Please don't listen to him.
The arrow thing was a cool new feature, but somewhere along the lines they programmed it out,
HOLY CRAP A GAME COMPANY REMOVED A COSMETIC FEATUREI BET YOU'D ALL BE JUMPING OFF BUILDINGS IF THEY REMOVED HATS FROM TEAM FORTRESS 2
this has always kinda pissed me off so i think that needs to be a priority of a bugfix,
Because bugs are less bad than arrows? I mean, it was cool and all, but I never really missed it...
instead of mostly multiplayer which i know bukkit is going to disappoint with.
It's a good thing this thread will fix everything then
it was hyped as all hell, added, stayed for a couple versions then mysteriously vanished due to bad programming,
What did? I'm confused. Are you talking about Bukkit or arrows or what? And you're blaming it on "bad programming", too!
so i hope the community can get the word to the developers about that too.
Dear Mojang: Hey this guyis angry about some random feature. Watch out!
remember, this is a post about expressing ideas on making the system better and getting word to the developers,
I disagree with it, so it's basically my duty to shut it down (since you want the developers to read it). Yeah... I don't like when people say that "everyone wants [x]" when I don't want [x] And this is what drives me to be absolutely brutal to those statements.
if you're just a troll who is going to start a flame war and defend the current system to the death then i will gladly put you on my ignore list.
I did neither. I posted a vaguely witty reply where everyone can read it! Hahahaha!
wow you're just a dumb drama idiot aren't you? i read this from my email and i only read the first paragraph because the rest is tl;dr
and "suspect" what are you? a police officer? and i didn't even hide the post you idiot i wanted to update my views on the system and express new ideas, if your dumb ass would scroll down a little bit with some attention you would see the original post is below it. its not for "nay sayers" so gtfo, i'm not going to reply to your posts after this
completely disagree with the food and hunger thing
it doesn't make sense that 64 blocks can be stacked but not a tiny porkchop.
and hunger does make the game harder and it makes it actual survival, i think if anything it should have been added at the start of beta.
as for the minecraft isn't minecraft anymore i would agree, all the cats and jungles and crap slow my game down and it just doesn't seem vanilla at all, i do like the wood colors though.
another thing is the biomes, they suck now, lets face that because big forests are too boring and mountains are interesting but they're usually in a desert of mountains where you dont want to make your house.
you cant see anywhere flat enough to say "i want to build my house there" or its too flat like a plains biome.
Wah wah wah. I like the enchanting system and the fact that you never know which enchantment you're gonna get.
nice going. and i am okay with that fact now, but what i am not okay with is the fact that you can spend 50 points and get the same enchantment you could get with 17 points, its unfair, it could still be random but i think it should give a certain quality of enchantment based on the level you use, like maybe level 50 can only get you random level 5-4 enchantments but keep that unknown, it would make it not a ripoff of your time and keep that randomness that you like
Jeb and Jon are working on it, you know that, right?
Welllll i would say kinda
They "mentioned" it on twitter, just like how notch mentioned red dragons and how jeb mentioned a new ore for the adventure update
i've followed them pretty closely for the past year since i started in alpha 1.1 and one thing to know is that not everything they mention on twitter is concrete and if they mention it it only "might" be put in the game
Anyways
I did and didn't expect it to get much attention, i was thinking someone might be more inspired to make a full effort to get a change to the enchantment system, what i hope for is to get enough peoples attention that they get the information to the actual developers that what we want Now is a better enchantment system
I did kinda just rant and ***** about it in the first topic which wasn't completely what i intended, the whole intent of this is again: to get word to the developers that we want a change and now.
And hopefully they will listen, there are alot of people that talk to mojang and its possible if enough people show they dislike this system
Alot of users posted and it was a nice discussion and changed my views a little
sure the randomness could be fun, but it isn't, because like i said "you can spend 45 points and get a similar enchantment you could get with 16 points" something like that.
there were users talking about "controlled randomness" like the terrain generation, this is a very good idea and it adapts to the random nature of the game
i think it should be random but you need to Get what you pay for, sure there's nothing wrong with it being random since that is what minecraft is, but if the biomes were random like the enchantment it would be a giant mess, no biome could be depicted from another.
So i think a way to improve it is put limits on how bad the enchantments are that you can get.
say you spend a certain number of points, you get a random enchantment but guaranteed a certain level corresponding to how many points you spend, it could even be like level 10 and up = level 1 enchantment, level 20 and up= level 2 enchantments and so on
but im sure someone could make alot better of an example.
or others could think of alot better ideas and they have through mods
So with that, i'm leaving it to the community, we need to spread word to the developers that we want a better system now, i don't care if its this post or a post from someone i've never met, we want a better system.
one more thing, they added arrows sticking into mobs, it was a real hype in the "adventure update" propaganda which managed to disappoint. The arrow thing was a cool new feature, but somewhere along the lines they programmed it out, this has always kinda pissed me off so i think that needs to be a priority of a bugfix, instead of mostly multiplayer which i know bukkit is going to disappoint with. it was hyped as all hell, added, stayed for a couple versions then mysteriously vanished due to bad programming, so i hope the community can get the word to the developers about that too.
remember, this is a post about expressing ideas on making the system better and getting word to the developers, if you're just a troll who is going to start a flame war and defend the current system to the death then i will gladly put you on my ignore list.
Controlled randomness. If the terrain generator were truly random the whole world would be a splattered mess like bedrock.
They added some constraints to enchanting, but you can still get lame stuff at high levels. How it should work is that you get random enchantments that always add up to your level cost. It'd still be random but also always fair to your hard-earned levels.
that's mostly what i was thinking
not make it into a new thing where you get to reallly choose fortune10 for 10 levels but that controlled randomness
you spend 50 points, you get 50 points worth of enchantment and you don't get to choose and just make it overpowered.
unlike now where you spend 50 points you might just get 16 points worth of enchantments
I like the enchantment system, it's a minor and unique part of the game. I like not knowing what I'm going to get what I get when I finally enchant my diamond sword, it keeps me on my toes. If I could just choose what enchantment I want, it would get boring and I would just choose the best enchantment and I wouldn't have to adapt to the situation.
yeah well it keeps me off my toes and on my pissed off when i spend 40 levels for efficiency 2 or bane of the anthropods 3
Must...Resist...Grammar Spaz...
But good point, I have so many Power I bows it's not funny. It's not a ripoff and it's ingeniously designed, but it does need a few tweaks. And no, I'm not defending Notch, I personally hate him and hate assholes who spend their time on the forums kissing up to him. He took the game of track and dumped it on Jeb to fix it. Jeb is doing great now and listens to the community. Rewrite this and more people will one-up it, soon people will notice. Heck, start a petion on it and send it to him.
/signed lcd292 (1st on petition)
i was actually considering rewriting it in a less insulting manor and goombageek or whatever can go get shot~
also one person said they can take on a group of mobs with a stone sword, i can take a group of mobs on with a stone axe when my sword breaks but that doesn't make my point invalid, and i think its an issue of fairness, and how much time it takes to kill mobs
thank you guys for bringing intelligent discussion back to this post, those pieces of garbage that were only defending it any making an argument were real pussies,
People are still at it with this thread? Ok let me make a /thread
It's called gambling for a reason. Just like gambling it's RANDOM and can be rewarding. Just like gambling, it's OPTIONAL. Just like gambling, there are SECRETS TO IT (depending on what gambling is like cards) Except, unlike gambling, every Enchantment you get WILL give you MORE of what you invested into it.
/thread
actually it isn't really "optional" when the weapons are nerfed and you get your ass handed to you even though you have a diamond sword
Do you even know that's not even gambling your XP away? You can decode the message via the wikipage.
Besides your argument only helps mine. If didn't get the enchantment you want...go get some more XP and trying again! You know why people gamble? To lose some you gain more eventually. In Minecraft it is a virtual world and the so called "money" (XP) you can get is free! Why are you calling something a ripoff if it is handed to you for free? Instead of complaining about the enchanted item you get, use it, try it out, see how it helps, make the best of it, and when it's time to get another enchanted item try again. Or you can be like me and get every single enchantment for every single item just because he likes Minecraft that much.
well for one you shouldn't have to look up a long wall of text on a wiki page to figure out one of the games features
another thing is it is not free in the least sense, maybe if you could remove the enchantment it wouldn't be bad, but you have to get the resources for tools and earn the exp, you completely overlooked that.
its not very fun working for 30-50 levels knowing you might only get bane of the anthropods 4 or 3 which doesn't help your gameplay in the least, especially since spiders are weak, but bane of the anthropods is just an example of a bad enchantment.
and i even tried in creative, it has taken me stacks of 64 diamond swords to get a decent enchantment that was fitting of the level i spent on ityou definitely can't say that it isn't gambling and you don't eventually get more from gambling, it's LUCK meaning you could NEVER get back what you pay its all random
The way you are explaining how the enchanting is a ripoff is the same way of how you are describing how Minecraft is a ripoff (did you even read my post?)
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. It's OPTIONAL. Minecraft is not meant for your enjoyment in 30 seconds. That's what boring old Creative is for. In my world I am very happy and enjoying myself because I EARNED myself there. That's what Minecraft use to be about. Your enjoyment comes through rewarding yourself, nowadays sometimes Mojang gives you a hand to cross the street. No reward, no sense of danger, nontheless it is still a fun game. I reward myself with tons of XP killing through the night, instead of sleeping, gaining XP, clearing mobs for a new build, then build in the morning.
yeah i read your post it was pretty self contradictory saying that it encourages people to build mob traps while it encourages people to go fight mobs.
and i enjoy earning things too, which is why the enchantment system is a ripoff of your time, you spend all this time getting the levels just to gamble it away
do you think if a working man did a job loading trucks and moving heavy things all day causing back problems to earn money for his family then just went to vegas and gabled it all away saying he will get something better if he does that, do you think his family would be happy about that?
it's unfair either way you look at it, like a user said level 1 isn't level 7 and level 10 isn't level 50.
First of all, it wasn't "they", it was "he". Dinnerbone was the only one who coded for the snapshot. Secondly, how do you how much they get paid? And furthermore, if you think working on the lightning is pointless, have fun building with stairs and slabs. It will look horrible, trust me.
well it's probably not 50 dollars a day I can tell you thatmuch
and umm they get gamer friday and all kinds of little vacations of that sort
they don't work hard.
maybe the lighting will be useful to work on if he can add colored lighting, I saw a mod that added red glow to the area around lava so it definitely can be done
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You're completely wrong there, jeb says he wants to improve the enchantment system and it was announced somewhere on the forums
(i doubt this post did anything towards that but its great to hear about an improvement.)
so basically yeah they made it frustrating on accident cause of lack of a better idea.
it would be pretty stupid and literally spitting in the community's face if it was intentionally bad.
and no, i won't suck anything up, i use nbt edit to keep restoring my EXP and removing the enchantment till i get a decent one
if it was intentionally frustrating then it would only make the game worse, maybe if they kept the sword damage like in 1.7 then yeah i could see it being frustrating to add to it, you get better equips than before but you might not, but you HAVE to enchant to get the items back up to the old standard.
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wow you're just a dumb drama idiot aren't you? i read this from my email and i only read the first paragraph because the rest is tl;dr
and "suspect" what are you? a police officer? and i didn't even hide the post you idiot i wanted to update my views on the system and express new ideas, if your dumb ass would scroll down a little bit with some attention you would see the original post is below it. its not for "nay sayers" so gtfo, i'm not going to reply to your posts after this
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it doesn't make sense that 64 blocks can be stacked but not a tiny porkchop.
and hunger does make the game harder and it makes it actual survival, i think if anything it should have been added at the start of beta.
as for the minecraft isn't minecraft anymore i would agree, all the cats and jungles and crap slow my game down and it just doesn't seem vanilla at all, i do like the wood colors though.
another thing is the biomes, they suck now, lets face that because big forests are too boring and mountains are interesting but they're usually in a desert of mountains where you dont want to make your house.
you cant see anywhere flat enough to say "i want to build my house there" or its too flat like a plains biome.
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nice going. and i am okay with that fact now, but what i am not okay with is the fact that you can spend 50 points and get the same enchantment you could get with 17 points, its unfair, it could still be random but i think it should give a certain quality of enchantment based on the level you use, like maybe level 50 can only get you random level 5-4 enchantments but keep that unknown, it would make it not a ripoff of your time and keep that randomness that you like
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Welllll i would say kinda
They "mentioned" it on twitter, just like how notch mentioned red dragons and how jeb mentioned a new ore for the adventure update
i've followed them pretty closely for the past year since i started in alpha 1.1 and one thing to know is that not everything they mention on twitter is concrete and if they mention it it only "might" be put in the game
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that's a good idea, i actually suggested it in my new post adding to this one, which can be found here:
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1138155-more-info-regarding-the-unfair-ripoff-enchantment-system/
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"THE ENCHANTMENT SYSTEM IS A RIPOFF SOMETHING MUST BE DONE ABOUT IT."
Which can be found here: http://www.minecraft...2#entry13825362
Anyways
I did and didn't expect it to get much attention, i was thinking someone might be more inspired to make a full effort to get a change to the enchantment system, what i hope for is to get enough peoples attention that they get the information to the actual developers that what we want Now is a better enchantment system
I did kinda just rant and ***** about it in the first topic which wasn't completely what i intended, the whole intent of this is again: to get word to the developers that we want a change and now.
And hopefully they will listen, there are alot of people that talk to mojang and its possible if enough people show they dislike this system
Alot of users posted and it was a nice discussion and changed my views a little
sure the randomness could be fun, but it isn't, because like i said "you can spend 45 points and get a similar enchantment you could get with 16 points" something like that.
there were users talking about "controlled randomness" like the terrain generation, this is a very good idea and it adapts to the random nature of the game
i think it should be random but you need to Get what you pay for, sure there's nothing wrong with it being random since that is what minecraft is, but if the biomes were random like the enchantment it would be a giant mess, no biome could be depicted from another.
So i think a way to improve it is put limits on how bad the enchantments are that you can get.
say you spend a certain number of points, you get a random enchantment but guaranteed a certain level corresponding to how many points you spend, it could even be like level 10 and up = level 1 enchantment, level 20 and up= level 2 enchantments and so on
but im sure someone could make alot better of an example.
or others could think of alot better ideas and they have through mods
So with that, i'm leaving it to the community, we need to spread word to the developers that we want a better system now, i don't care if its this post or a post from someone i've never met, we want a better system.
one more thing, they added arrows sticking into mobs, it was a real hype in the "adventure update" propaganda which managed to disappoint. The arrow thing was a cool new feature, but somewhere along the lines they programmed it out, this has always kinda pissed me off so i think that needs to be a priority of a bugfix, instead of mostly multiplayer which i know bukkit is going to disappoint with. it was hyped as all hell, added, stayed for a couple versions then mysteriously vanished due to bad programming, so i hope the community can get the word to the developers about that too.
remember, this is a post about expressing ideas on making the system better and getting word to the developers, if you're just a troll who is going to start a flame war and defend the current system to the death then i will gladly put you on my ignore list.
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that's mostly what i was thinking
not make it into a new thing where you get to reallly choose fortune10 for 10 levels but that controlled randomness
you spend 50 points, you get 50 points worth of enchantment and you don't get to choose and just make it overpowered.
unlike now where you spend 50 points you might just get 16 points worth of enchantments
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yeah well it keeps me off my toes and on my pissed off when i spend 40 levels for efficiency 2 or bane of the anthropods 3
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i was actually considering rewriting it in a less insulting manor and goombageek or whatever can go get shot~
also one person said they can take on a group of mobs with a stone sword, i can take a group of mobs on with a stone axe when my sword breaks but that doesn't make my point invalid, and i think its an issue of fairness, and how much time it takes to kill mobs
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actually it isn't really "optional" when the weapons are nerfed and you get your ass handed to you even though you have a diamond sword
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well for one you shouldn't have to look up a long wall of text on a wiki page to figure out one of the games features
another thing is it is not free in the least sense, maybe if you could remove the enchantment it wouldn't be bad, but you have to get the resources for tools and earn the exp, you completely overlooked that.
its not very fun working for 30-50 levels knowing you might only get bane of the anthropods 4 or 3 which doesn't help your gameplay in the least, especially since spiders are weak, but bane of the anthropods is just an example of a bad enchantment.
and i even tried in creative, it has taken me stacks of 64 diamond swords to get a decent enchantment that was fitting of the level i spent on ityou definitely can't say that it isn't gambling and you don't eventually get more from gambling, it's LUCK meaning you could NEVER get back what you pay its all random
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yeah i read your post it was pretty self contradictory saying that it encourages people to build mob traps while it encourages people to go fight mobs.
and i enjoy earning things too, which is why the enchantment system is a ripoff of your time, you spend all this time getting the levels just to gamble it away
do you think if a working man did a job loading trucks and moving heavy things all day causing back problems to earn money for his family then just went to vegas and gabled it all away saying he will get something better if he does that, do you think his family would be happy about that?
it's unfair either way you look at it, like a user said level 1 isn't level 7 and level 10 isn't level 50.