LOL at fanblasting. Just no.
Just trying to help. A community chat is fine, I don't see it harmful at all. Others opinions matter, especially if they bring on some facts.
OP is already planning on getting a 1440p monitor so we are helping him pick a card for 1440p. What part of this is difficult to understand?
If you aren't going to help make a useful decision as to what card to get at 1440p then you should be posting in this thread. Take your arguing elsewhere.
In response to your points:
1. it's sharper, more space on your desktop for multitasking, generally higher quality monitors and panels than most 1080p screens, 1440p screens can be had relatively cheap.
2. Why do we NEED 1080p? Simple, we don't. Just because we don't NEED it doesn't mean we shouldn't get it.
3. 1080p is fine, yes, but 1440p is better.
It's sharper? Maybe if your monitor is going to be bigger than 27 inches. Otherwise, no- which makes it somewhat pointless to spend a little more cash on. That being said, games are going to run better on 1080p anyways, and without a monitor that's going to be past 27 inches, who cares.
Wrong, I actually OWN a 1440p display and have used 3 graphics cards on it with pretty varied power and price ranges. A 270x will not run all games on ultra. Maybe 1080p (although I doubt it) but definitely not 1440p.
Either 770 or 280x would do a good job but you reaaaaaally don't need to get a 4gb 770. If you want the extra memory just get a 280x and call it a day. It's not worth the extra money.
As for crossfire or sli, it wouldn't affect it at all except that you would obviously have more power and better framerates on games that support sli or crossfire (which is most games nowadays).
Congrats on your 1440p monitor. Still, you wouldn't know because you don't own a 270x. I watched my buddy benchmark his pc with 2560 x 1600 resolution and a 270x and it was really good. He was running all ultra on BF4, he just turned some of the stuff like AA down. He was getting about 43 frames, but that's still great. At 1440p, I can only imagine about a 10 fps gain. So about 50 frames on 1440p at ultra. Hmmmm, sounds good to me.
EDIT: It was actually 36 frames on ultra at 1600, so 1440 will gain almost up to 50, but realistically probably about 48 fps. Also, he had his CPU at 5 ghz, so that probably had a big role in it. Seriously though, 270x is still a great card and is reasonably priced. You can future proof yourself a bit with the 280x, I suggest it if you can afford it.
A lot of these guys are wrong. A single 270x WILL seal the deal. Games that are graphically intense will run ultra with a 270x. Some of you need to do your research!!!
Also, be sure to youtube these cards; youtube can be your best friend. Also, use pcpartpicker.com to make sure you are good with the parts you own or need to buy.
Looks like this thread got cleaned of its trash! Yay!
As for Windows 8, I can't wait for 8.1. It's going to clean a lot of people's minds of their original opinions!
I'm especially excited for more color options, but as far as I'm concerned, you guys might dislike something new!
Do some research and come back with your opinions! ;D
Windows needs aftermarket too so that it can repel viruses.
NT is the kernel that powers all of the Windows versions after the original NT, so it needs it. BC, you need to take a look at BackTrack. Everyone else, you just need to know that there are viruses, but small chances of getting them.I feel it is important to know so, for personal knowledge and future reference.
You also need to stop complaining about aftermarket needs. Not everybody needs that .
I'm getting tired of people who don't know what they're talking about, people who know little of what they're talking about, and the accusations and rudeness coming from their mouths. SMH.
Seriously, Linux and Windows are both great. Right now, it is apparent that Windows 8 is better for various reasons. Of course, Linux seems more promising in certain areas, but still- Windows is on top. I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY, HENCE IT BEING APPARENT.
However, it doesn't seem to be. Run Linux, and if you don't come across any flaws- Great!
If so, take on other distributions. If to no avail, take Windows.
I have an early generation i7 (860), 8 GBs of DDR3 RAM, and a GTS 450. Good at the time, a little dated now.
For me, Minecraft is faster on Ubuntu. I get 60-100 FPS in windows, and 100-120 (if not more) FPS. In previous versions of Minecraft in Ubuntu, I have seen 300 FPS and higher.
Also, in Windows I have also had Minecraft run MUCH slower at times (1-15 FPS) due to some issue with the graphics driver. It was quite an annoying issue. Sometimes when I update the graphics driver, there are little to no issues, but other times there are performance issues, graphical bugs, and crash issues. However, it is much better than the ATI HD Radeon 5770 that my computer came with, which no matter what I did would crash, and crash HARD, unlike with the nVidia driver where I just have to reload the profile to get the fan whirring again.
As far as Steam goes, sure most of the games aren't supported yet, (as of now) there are 289 games, and I see a game or two at least added every week for Linux. There will definitely be games that interest you. I haven't bought any games on Steam yet (because I only have $50 and want as many games as possible), but I'm waiting for the steam summer sale to get as many linux-supported games that I want as $50 will get. Sure there isn't even 50% compatibility yet, but I'd imagine that Valve is working on making development in a Linux-friendly way easier (because of the Steambox). As it gains more Steam (pun intended) it will probably start growing more and more, feeding back into Linux (making more full-time Linux users for those who said gaming on Linux isn't possible). Opting out now won't help the cause.
As for WINE, not tried many games with it, but WINE 1.6 runs Morrowind pretty smoothly, and wow, that sure is a time eater....
The last sentence in the OP of this thread makes the most sense. Try Linux first, if it doesn't work out, go get Windows.
If you don't get Windows, and Linux suits you: good, saved money, using Linux.
If you don't get Windows, and Linux does not suit you: well, it was worth a try, go buy Windows
If you get Windows, and everything works for you: good.
If you get Windows, have issues, and you find out Linux would have worked for you: bad, you had to spend money on Windows when you didn't need to (and maybe don't use it anymore?)
If you are fine with both (or want Windows as a fallback), you can always have a dedicated drive for Linux and a dedicated drive for Windows.
Sweet, you might even see better performance with ArchBang. You should check that out if it's interesting enough to you! (BTW if you stick with Ubuntu, you should download Cinnamon; it's quick and sexy when you get a comfy customization)
And you think you know some secret, "magical" things about Windows 8 that I don't that would make it desirable to me?
(Just so you know, this was a rhetorical question.)
I guess it depends on your system. Otherwise, you should look at the newest benchmarks for system performance and other stuff.
If you can live with a lower standard, that's fine with me!
I agree,
Dual boot win XP Pro
win 7 home
ubuntu 13.04
It is nice to have a change of pace when using a new os
Hell, that's a great idea. I left Linux last month after using it since 09 for windows 8. Huge transition until the Linux kicks Microsoft in the head again.
BUT IT IS THE SAME PERFORMACE GOD DAMMIT 7970 is Very equal to a 770 if not better, plus you get 50 dollars spare, your the one who is stupid, I really have to leave some time soon.
Oh you really know your stuff, don't you. I guess this guy can't spare time to get more cash for a mechanical keyboard later either. Man am I stupid. ROFL fail
Rofl, first off, most of you aren't looking. WINE will let you play most windows games in linux. Wine supports DirectX. Everybody here is bashing linux because they do not live in it like I do.
And minecraft actually runs worse on windows for me, Which gets slower After the first week of running. I don't want to get into a Windows/Linux debate because that would take hours and lots of OS ignorance. It seems like everybody else who had responded had limited use of linux and/or have only used Windows. Whenever I use windows, most of the windows will go very slow for me and a lot of programs, such as firefox freeze randomly. This rarely happens in linux. Not to mention that I've lost over 7 years of code due to windows NTFS drivers "Corruption" and many trojan viruses, which stole a metric ton of my code.
One of the features that I've liked with linux was that I can assign all of my RAM to minecraft while I'm playing it. It's very useful for MC servers because they are not restricted to the 2GB ram limit that is in basic windows systems. Games are also impossible to reverse engineer because most linux executables run in ELF, which implements many security features that Windows does not have.
Also, linux driver updates are probably the same dating with windows, meaning that when Nvidia publishes a new driver, they publish it for all platforms. Most linux distros will come pre-installed with all of the drivers required in the Linux Kernel. (Which has 15+ million lines of code and going)
Now, for game quality, Wine (Virtualized windows layer over linux) allows you to play most of the newer large and AAA games that are only supported in windows. They will lose about 10% FPS due to the CPU converting Windows Native -> Linux Native -> GPU.
Steam has also started supporting large indie games for linux native. These games are really taking off because linux gamers will pay $. It seems that a lot of new games are starting to support linux too, so perhaps in the future, linux will have it's fair share of games. Desura is faring better for linux games though, it has a larger selection of linux games.
One of my favorite features in ubuntu / KDE to to change the theme to dark-color so I do not have to code in white and burn my eyes every day.
I'm probably the only one really laughing.
Obviously, the person thinking of going to Linux is going to research it all over the web and find out these things. There, however, are serious problems with Linux sometimes, as there also is with Windows. A mainstream Linux distro like Ubuntu is going to provide one of the best user-friendly environment for anyone. Ubuntu is bloated AF though. Arch Linux (preferably ArchBang) is going to be better suited for someone who wants to run only about 90mb of ram and leave the rest of it for gaming WITHOUT Bloat. It will take learning though, as it won't be so user-friendly. Trust me, I know my Linux and I know my Windows. I was there when Linux was growing, and I've used it from 2009 all the way until last month. Windows 8 has taken the place of Linux for me- for now anyways.
I've personally played MC on WIndows 7 Ultimate 64 bit and a Linux 64 bit distro (Gentoo if you must know) and I know several people who play on many versions of windows and Mac OSX. Generally as far as the operating system goes its six of one, half dozen of the other.
Hardware really plays the largest part in the performance of MC. Make sure you've got at least 4 Gb ram (2 Gb for 32 bit) and a decent discrete video card with up to date drivers and java. (you can get an HD 6870 or a GTX 550 Ti for fairly cheap these days).
The OS is really just whatever you are most comfortable with for day to day use.
Absolutely Correct, unless you have 1gb or less. Linux if so, Windows 8 (Build 9200 and up) if more than a gig. Personal Experience right there.
I also found it pleasing to my senses.
I don't understand how someone could be frustrated with UI changes. Holy Crap! We have people that can't change to something more efficient- Hybrid? I guess Microsoft should have stopped at ME.
Anyways, I find nothing wrong with it. I prefer it over ALL previous Windows versions, and I prefer it over my previous Holy Grail of OS's- Linux.
^^ some people annoy the crap outa me, like the guy above.... It's not for pure performance... It's for value eg. Price/Performace ratio... He is on a 1400 budget... 7970 is perfect, with the money saved he could buy a better keyboard.... He saves 50 dollars= better keyboard, mechanical....
You sound stupid bro.
He was just comparing it. The guy already wanted something higher than the 7970. I don't even think he considered it over the 770.
He was HELPING; he wasn't doing anything wrong. What have you done? A suggestion of saving cash from a GPU for a Keyboard? Ridiculous.
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Just trying to help. A community chat is fine, I don't see it harmful at all. Others opinions matter, especially if they bring on some facts.
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It's sharper? Maybe if your monitor is going to be bigger than 27 inches. Otherwise, no- which makes it somewhat pointless to spend a little more cash on. That being said, games are going to run better on 1080p anyways, and without a monitor that's going to be past 27 inches, who cares.
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Congrats on your 1440p monitor. Still, you wouldn't know because you don't own a 270x. I watched my buddy benchmark his pc with 2560 x 1600 resolution and a 270x and it was really good. He was running all ultra on BF4, he just turned some of the stuff like AA down. He was getting about 43 frames, but that's still great. At 1440p, I can only imagine about a 10 fps gain. So about 50 frames on 1440p at ultra. Hmmmm, sounds good to me.
EDIT: It was actually 36 frames on ultra at 1600, so 1440 will gain almost up to 50, but realistically probably about 48 fps. Also, he had his CPU at 5 ghz, so that probably had a big role in it. Seriously though, 270x is still a great card and is reasonably priced. You can future proof yourself a bit with the 280x, I suggest it if you can afford it.
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Also, be sure to youtube these cards; youtube can be your best friend. Also, use pcpartpicker.com to make sure you are good with the parts you own or need to buy.
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As for Windows 8, I can't wait for 8.1. It's going to clean a lot of people's minds of their original opinions!
I'm especially excited for more color options, but as far as I'm concerned, you guys might dislike something new!
Do some research and come back with your opinions! ;D
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NT is the kernel that powers all of the Windows versions after the original NT, so it needs it.
BC, you need to take a look at BackTrack. Everyone else, you just need to know that there are viruses, but small chances of getting them. I feel it is important to know so, for personal knowledge and future reference.
You also need to stop complaining about aftermarket needs. Not everybody needs that .
I'm getting tired of people who don't know what they're talking about, people who know little of what they're talking about, and the accusations and rudeness coming from their mouths. SMH.
Seriously, Linux and Windows are both great. Right now, it is apparent that Windows 8 is better for various reasons. Of course, Linux seems more promising in certain areas, but still- Windows is on top.
I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY, HENCE IT BEING APPARENT.
However, it doesn't seem to be. Run Linux, and if you don't come across any flaws- Great!
If so, take on other distributions. If to no avail, take Windows.
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Sweet, you might even see better performance with ArchBang. You should check that out if it's interesting enough to you! (BTW if you stick with Ubuntu, you should download Cinnamon; it's quick and sexy when you get a comfy customization)
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I guess it depends on your system. Otherwise, you should look at the newest benchmarks for system performance and other stuff.
If you can live with a lower standard, that's fine with me!
I think you need to dial your timeframe back to 2013. It's about time you return from 2011.
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Than you know of anyways. I'm not going to get into specifics here xD
Hell, that's a great idea. I left Linux last month after using it since 09 for windows 8. Huge transition until the Linux kicks Microsoft in the head again.
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Oh you really know your stuff, don't you. I guess this guy can't spare time to get more cash for a mechanical keyboard later either. Man am I stupid. ROFL fail
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I'm probably the only one really laughing.
Obviously, the person thinking of going to Linux is going to research it all over the web and find out these things. There, however, are serious problems with Linux sometimes, as there also is with Windows. A mainstream Linux distro like Ubuntu is going to provide one of the best user-friendly environment for anyone. Ubuntu is bloated AF though. Arch Linux (preferably ArchBang) is going to be better suited for someone who wants to run only about 90mb of ram and leave the rest of it for gaming WITHOUT Bloat. It will take learning though, as it won't be so user-friendly. Trust me, I know my Linux and I know my Windows. I was there when Linux was growing, and I've used it from 2009 all the way until last month. Windows 8 has taken the place of Linux for me- for now anyways.
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Absolutely Correct, unless you have 1gb or less. Linux if so, Windows 8 (Build 9200 and up) if more than a gig. Personal Experience right there.
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I don't understand how someone could be frustrated with UI changes. Holy Crap! We have people that can't change to something more efficient- Hybrid? I guess Microsoft should have stopped at ME.
Anyways, I find nothing wrong with it. I prefer it over ALL previous Windows versions, and I prefer it over my previous Holy Grail of OS's- Linux.
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You sound stupid bro.
He was just comparing it. The guy already wanted something higher than the 7970. I don't even think he considered it over the 770.
He was HELPING; he wasn't doing anything wrong. What have you done? A suggestion of saving cash from a GPU for a Keyboard? Ridiculous.