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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from earthrace57

    No, you misinterpreted.

    There were architecture things to artificially boost clockspeed in Pentium, those same tricks are used in Bulldozer.

    Clockspeeds and cores don't mean anything. If you can explain the FX-4100 needing an OC to 4.6 GHz to keep up with the i3 2120, be my guest.

    You say Trinity is any better than my Celeron, and not by much, considering it is still built upon the Penryn architecture.

    I'm simply saying that they aren't designed to game, I don't know anyone who would buy an ultrabook to game.


    They are not artificially boosted Piledriver IPC is low there is a difference.

    Cores do mean something when you are working with threaded tasks but the per core performance also means a lot.

    Comparing any processor clock for clock from different companies is stupid.
    I am not saying the fx 4100 is good.
    All I am saying is just because something clock for clock is worse means jack squat when one is clocked higher and priced lower.
    AMDs current products are not i am not saying they are but saying they suck because they are clock for clock slower then Intel is a stupid argument.
    They are slow because of low IPC and low clocks you can counter a low IPC by higher clockspeed.

    I never said it was better clock for clock and core for core. I said its better then my Athlon by a long shot and I can browse the web and game just fine. It is better then your celeron why because it is not a single core.
    Well you might say cores is a poor count of speed well yes it this came up during the original transition to dual cores from single cores.
    It is better to have two weaker cores then 1 strong one hands down. Is it better to have 8 weaker cores then 4 strong no because core performance is not linear.

    Exactly they aren't designed to game because Intel has **** poor graphics.
    So what group of people are UltraBooks supposed to fill.

    Because people who just want internet and light games will get a tablet.
    People who want to game and have something in the Ultrabook battery life range will buy AMD Ultrathin
    Well Intel has a better cpu.
    Well then to that I say well ok who is going to use that anyone that going to want to do actual work wont use that tiny of a screen.
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    posted a message on USB 3.0 worth it?
    Quote from fm87

    2.0.

    There is almost no reason to go with USB3.0 right now unless you have an expensive video camera and plan on transferring very large files.


    Well most drives I've seen rated for USB3.0 tend to have faster speeds then USB2.0 in the same price range neither would flood a USB2 interface but it seems the OEMs are putting faster speeds on USB3.0 even though they have no reason to.

    No reason to go after 3 specifically but a lot of the good drives have it anyway.
    So just find what has the best speeds in your price range and capacity you want and buy it regardless of the interface.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from earthrace57

    I said it is a legit chip, as in pretty much every chip has to fit inside the 17W envelope, whereas with Intel, because they make so many, they can problably increase the clockspeeds and voltage and call it a 25W chip (just realized they aren't in production anymore)

    Anyway: clock for clock, Trinity will still be behind, so even though the clock-for-clock performance of trinity is up 20% from bulldozer, bulldozer was effectively a re-invented Pentium 4. Remember, a quad core 4.6 GHz CPU from bulldozer is equivalent to a 3.3 dual core i3 2120, and that isn't even on IB.

    Even though it is clocked at 2.1 GHz, the clock-for-clock is so terrible that doing basic tasks will suck.

    But web browsing still eats up CPU usage; on my 2.2 GHz Celeron 900 in my laptop, when I am running with multiple tabs open, that CPU is still running near max.

    Trying to judge a sleekbook/ultrabook/ULV part on gaming is like trying to judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree; it isn't meant to be.


    No you said they need to meaning they haven't and Trinity is released to the OEMs.

    Its not a reinvented Pentium 4 that comparison is stupid the only logic is the low IPC.
    Who cares clock for clock that its slower then Intel thats not how you compare PC.
    If the 8350 is the same price as the 3450 who cares that the 8350 is not clock for clock as fast if its faster over all due to it shipping with high clocks.

    That's a shitty celeron not a Trinity.

    Why can't they game because Intel says so?
    AMDs Ultrathins can game and have the same power envelope.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from earthrace57

    I'm saying that AMD is going to have to release a legitimate 17W, whereas Intel's may be heavily binned 25W or whatever. Also, on a day-to-day basis, the A6 is going to suck; imagine trying to web browse on an old Dell Adamo, it sucked, and so will the A6. Gaming performance isn't everything, especially on ultrabooks.


    Uh how is that Trinity chip not a "legtimate" 17W.

    How will it suck on the A10 and A8 and A6.
    CPU wise they beat the **** out of my Athlon.

    So why is the AMD CPU going to suck at web browsing even though most web browsing is GPU accelerated with any modern browser.
    This is a gaming forum I am going to care about gaming performance even then AMD ties with Battery life at the same TDP with Intel.

    Also better binned I5 2500 for example will not do any better then any other I5 why because they all run at the same voltage same clocks ect.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from not_a_zombie

    As shown here, HD 4000 is close to 35W APUs
    So, I think that in low voltage cpus, AMD cannot compete.


    Close my ass AMD Trinity is pulling almost double the fps neither are playable at medium anyway but on low AMD can at least push more then 30fps.

    If you would read my post you would notice the ULV have the same about of cores as the non ULV and GPU clocks only a bit lower.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from earthrace57

    I believe Intel's ULV proccessors are fairly heavilly binned, and you have to remember that Intel dominiates the mobile market (especially for the high end). I'm pretty sure binning it like this just isn't viable for AMD due to their lower production numbers.

    Also, were both of those processors sent by the respective companies? Because usually companies send the best of the bunch to get more favorable overclocking/power consumption numbers.


    AMD has CPUs in that power range of 17W its not something I'm speculating, they exist and AMD is releasing them.

    Well neither are overclocked and power consumption is not something that changes on a chip to chip basis they all have the same voltage better binning would not help. It does with Ocing but like I said the battery life does not touch on ocing.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from not_a_zombie

    The intel ULV (ultra low voltage) ivy bridge chips actually consume very little power (17 watts at full load) and they're what's going into ultrabooks. For AMD to compete in the low power segment, they would have to make incredibly weak components (although, the ULV parts are pretty weak already). Comparing the TDPs of the Intel desktop parts (77W) and AMD (100W) and it's clear that AMD has to sacrifice more to get the same power.


    But these are laptop parts AMD ULV A10 thats a quadcore is 25W AMD has a dualcore A6 is 17W.







    Even if you want battery life AMD can deliver that and gaming performance when you need it.
    AMDs 35w parts are just as good as Intels 35W battery wise in battery and a lot better in gaming.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from earthrace57

    Thats true, and IIRC, intel is waay overpricing its chips. The lowest end ivybridge chip was either in the $200 or $300 range, and intel complains that they can't get a $600 ultrabook! Well you don't say, personally, I really don't like the CPU being 1/2 or even 1/3 of the price.


    Even If Intel priced better they still need to work with Nvidia to provide cheap chips because Intels GPU department sucks goat tits.
    Then they get crappy battery life compared to AMD who is already doing very well with its APU.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from earthrace57

    $360 Dell Inpiron...meh

    Also, very few people have ultrabooks, because the majority that can afford them who want gaming go with a desktop/high end laptop, and the rest of them would rather get a $600 laptop and spend their money else ware.

    Also, what ultrabook do you have?


    Few people have them because its Intel marketing crap and are very restrictive with the specs.

    Cheapest Ultrabook on newegg
    700$
    Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
    CPU Type Intel Core i3-2367M 1.4GHz
    Screen 13.3"
    Memory Size 4GB DDR3
    Hard Disk 520GB
    Graphics Card Intel HD Graphics 3000

    Lowend I3 and crap Intel IGP.

    HP said A8 products will release at 700$ with the follow specs.
    the Pavilion dv6-7010 will arrive with the quad-core AMD A8-4500M APU, teamed with a Radeon 7640G graphics card, six gigs of RAM and 750GB of storage. The outer specs remain unchanged, but there is one other difference worth mentioning; it's priced at $700

    Other companies will be releasing A10 in the 700$ range and the A10 kicks the **** out of Intel in terms of performance for gaming and with twice as many cores the A10 can trade blows with the I3.

    For cheap gaming laptops AMD is top dog and that's why I will own a Trinity Laptop here soon.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    My laptop is an AMD one and my new one will be AMD so I won't be getting a stupid Intel Ultrabook.
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    posted a message on Well, headsets are officially not worth it
    Quote from lieutenant54321

    I tried with some lower-end headphones like the Tactic3D Alpha and LifeChat LX-3000s. The Tactic3D Alphas are designed with surround in mind.


    Creative Tactic3D are not that good the sound quality is alright for analog but the sound card that comes with them is **** pore my PCI creative soundcard made them sound better. Corsairs vengeance series is overall of higher quality in terms of build and sound quality.
    I own both
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    posted a message on How do I record onto ram disk?
    Quote from FrozenOblivion

    I get this error when I open it:
    An Unknown Error has occured.
    System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
    at Handbrake.frmMain..ctor(String[] args)
    at Handbrake.Program.Main(String[] args)


    Keep trying to open it I got it at first then it went away.
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    posted a message on How do I record onto ram disk?
    Quote from FrozenOblivion

    How does one compress a video?


    http://handbrake.fr/

    Download that.
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    posted a message on Mic quality different when recording video?
    What recording software and what settings with it are you using you could test it in audacity.
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    posted a message on Decent Gaming Laptop for Under 800?
    Like most people the games you play are not super demanding and your not asking for perfect 60fps.
    AMD Trinity is the way to go should be able to pick it up for roughly 550$ for an A10 based on current speculation they come out in the next few days.
    Posted in: Hardware & Software Support
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