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    posted a message on Catalyst 12.7 Beta takes (high res) the performance crown from Nvidia!
    Quote from Razeredge

    I would guess that there are a lot more Eyefinity/Surround users than 2560*1600 users, as three 1080p monitors is a couple hundred dollars cheaper than one 2560*1600 monitor on average. Personally, I would prefer an Eyefinity/Surround setup as it would give much better immersion into FPS games.


    My 1.2.% is all resolutions above 1200p. I disagree Eyefinity bezels ruin all immersion.
    A 300$ card may handle current games but what about crysis 3 or Arma3 I would also bet BF3 armored kill with the massive maps is going to be a lot more demanding then the earlier maps.
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    posted a message on Catalyst 12.7 Beta takes (high res) the performance crown from Nvidia!
    Quote from Razeredge

    The dip will not be very noticeable, though. I highly doubt it would drop below ~50 FPS.

    And lets be honest here. Why the **** would you spend $500 on a GPU with a 1680*1050 monitor?


    Also note that is in singleplayer MP is a whole other ballgame I can get a solid 75 with my 6970 but I have dips into the 30fps range.

    I am talking about 1200p area here.
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    posted a message on Catalyst 12.7 Beta takes (high res) the performance crown from Nvidia!
    Quote from Razeredge

    Well, at low resolutions, the difference between the cards is hardly noticeable, as they both provide very playable framerates. The only real way to see the full potential of the 7970 and 680 is to actually use a high resolution monitor.


    It is still noticeable but at the moment most games have been out for a while as more next gen games comes out we will see more demand on the cards especially in the next few years with new consoles.

    At 1080p with only 4AA its only getting 78 on average it still is going to dip.
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    posted a message on Catalyst 12.7 Beta takes (high res) the performance crown from Nvidia!
    Quote from Razeredge

    Your point is null. Most gamers don't use these cards.

    The amount of people who use highend graphics cards is a lot larger then people who use high res monitors.
    Just so you know the amount of people who use 1200p+ is 1.2% based on steam hardware survey.


    Quote from 999Catfish

    Sarcasm? Nvidia does struggle with high-res (above 1920x1200) and multi-monitor.


    Nvidia does have a harder time at high resolutions but the amount of people as I said above is minor.
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    posted a message on Catalyst 12.7 Beta takes (high res) the performance crown from Nvidia!
    Quote from Razeredge

    Look at the high resolution benchmarks, guys. The 7970 (usually GHz edition, but sometimes the vanilla card) consistently comes in before the 680 at 2560*1600.


    Good thing most gamers use that resolution.
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    posted a message on Catalyst 12.7 Beta takes (high res) the performance crown from Nvidia!
    I don't see the drivers winning them anything extra other then Skyrim maybe but nothing else.

    The ghz edition scores it more wins like I posted like a month ago benchmarks and all.
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    posted a message on My brother is badgering me about my decision to get a Sager.
    Quote from hiloser12221

    Minimum wage in America is barely over $4000? I thought the poverty line was at $25000


    Minimum wage in America is 7.23$ an hour.
    I never said they got paid close to what Americans make.

    I said compared to the living costs in the area.
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    posted a message on My brother is badgering me about my decision to get a Sager.
    Quote from fm87

    If you go by a % they actually DO get paid more than a US citizen on minimum wage.


    They can if they apply for extra training they have the option to but if they don't I am pretty sure they make just under it.


    "It now sits at 1,800 yuan per month, and can be raised a further 400 yuan, to 2,200 yuan, if employees pass a technical examination. By today's conversions, 1,800 yuan equates to just over $285, while 2,200 yuan is just under $350."
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    posted a message on My brother is badgering me about my decision to get a Sager.
    Quote from jacobdb

    foxconn is still "workers friendly" compared to sweat shops and coal mines in china. which have one of the harshest working conditions in the world.


    Not to mention foxconns suicide rates are lower then the USA and UK.
    Compared to the cost of living they almost get paid as much as a US citizen on minimum wage.
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    posted a message on Help on choosing a laptop
    Both suck they are AMDs last gen lowend wait for Trinity in the next couple of days and avoid HP many other better companies.
    I can't recommend you a laptop as Trinity releases in the next couple of the days.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from earthrace57

    I'm just saying that if you are putting a 17W TDP part into something, its going to be slim, and if you want to consider it a competitor to an ultrabook, its only fair for a SSD to be put in.

    So now making excuses for AMD?

    No word, no content creation.

    Intel medfield. Also, content creation, didn't say just web browsing, word, skype, and the like. Also, they can, but not on windows, and not very well. The graphics performance isn't even enough to run win 7 home premium.

    Actually, I've been considering the ASUS Zenbook Prime UX31a because of how slim and light it is, and considering that I have to take it to school and carry it in my backpack for 6-7 hours of the day, it may be well worth it for the slim form factor.


    No the Ultrabook spec requires it to have an Intel chip in it so its kinda impossible for AMD to make an Ultrabook.

    I have typed papers on Gdocs on an Ipad its not that bad.
    Skype is on Android and Ios has it too.

    Lets do a comparison.
    ASUS Zenbook Prime UX31a
    • Intel Core i5-3317U 1.7 GHz
    • 4 GB SO-DIMM, 128 GB Solid-State Drive
    • Backlit Keyboard
    • 13.3-Inch IPS Full-HD LED Screen, Intel HD 4000 Graphics
    • 3.96lb
    1150$

    Macbook Air
    1199$

    1.8GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 (Turbo Boost up to 2.8GHz)
    4GB of 1600MHz DDR3
    128GB SSD
    Intel HD4000
    Backlite keyborad
    13.3-inch 1440x900 LED-backlit glossy widescreen display
    2.96lb.
    720p webcam for skype.

    Like I said Intel decided Apple products were priced too reasonable and created the Ultrabook.

    If I was stupid and wanted a PC in this form factor I'm sorry but for once the money goes to Apple.

    But the zenbook has a higher res screen you might say and to that whoopty ****ing do apple actually is not stupid and uses 16x10 screens so in that way its better and the highres screen big ****ing deal I say Apple retina displays are a negligible advantage and guess what it works the other way too.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from earthrace57

    I don't expect Trinity ultrabook-class notebooks to be much cheaper than intel ultrabooks. For example, the Sony Viao T is around $770, however, I think Trinity will bottom out at $700. This is because of the SSD and for an ultra thin construction, you need either metal or extremely high-grade plastic (actually, intel is currently working on a type of plastic strong enough for an ultrabook for its partners).

    But that thing isn't something that is ultrabook-class.

    Never mind, you don't seem to get it.

    "Instead of the VLIW5 arrangement, which also sat at the heart of Radeon HD 6800 and older GPUs, it utilizes the VLIW4 design that went into AMD’s Radeon HD 6900-series cards. Everything after the 6900s swapped over to Graphics Core Next, so VLIW4 isn’t a very prolific implementation" - Tom's Hardware article about Trinity.
    Sorry, I didn't mean OpenCL, I meant GCN.

    No, they still do not run a desktop os. Also, don't give me "what about windows 8 tablets" They aren't here yet, you can bring that argument up when they get there.

    That statement is untrue. Intel i about on par with ARM because it runs on a 22nm process, whereas qualcomm and TI run on 28, Samsung runs on 32, and nVidia runs on 40. So, if those companies managed to get the same performance as the Intel ULV chips, they would still pull similar amounts of power.


    MY whole point is Ultrabooks are **** so I don't care if Trinity is not technically a ultrabook.

    AMDs APU run last gen graphics archs because it takes time to adapt them to trinity because they do more then just slap a gpu on the die like Intel they share memory controllers and other things with the CPU.

    I brought up the Windows 8 tablets as something you could get because they will be here soon and why not the asus transformer or any of the billions of tablets with keyboard docks?

    Process tech is not everything ARM designs use less then 1watt and are more then capable of web browsing. They don't need to be as fast as Intels ULV chips because you said ultrabooks are just for web browsing and ULV is already overkill for that.

    At this point I think Ultrabooks are for people who want Apple like overpricing without owning an Apple product.
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    posted a message on USB 3.0 worth it?
    It is also worth mentioning that USB2 is only half duplex so if you get a massive drive you will be moving things back and forth on get 3 or a Esata drive.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from earthrace57

    Now are you going anti-mac? Also, see http://www.amazon.co...S+Zenbook+prime

    And this will blow anything AMD can offer out of the water: http://www.amazon.co...S/ref=de_a_smtd

    Also, it artificially pushes the clockspeeds higher because you don't have to add it, but they did for some unfathomable reason.

    Also, Trinity is based off of the 69xx architecture, so there is no openCL support.

    Tablet form factors aren't for everyone, and also, the issue is they both provide playable frames at almost everything, but the difference is minimal between the two; in fact, the only difference is for a bit more price, you get higher CPU performance and probably and SSD.

    The first one is almost double the price of Trinity protected price by AMD granted that's probably a hopefully estimate but I don't expected it to be a lot more then its old gen llano.

    Well no **** that is twice the price and guess what this would blow that out of the water.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230141
    Cheaper and faster.

    Add what you don't understand do you.
    The clock speed is a measure of how fast it can cycle it runs at that speed its not fake running at that speed.

    Uh are you stupid its running OpenCl in that benchmark first of all
    Second of all the 4xxx series supports OpenCL and all series above it do.

    I am starting to think you only half read my posts.

    Note I said with KEYBOARD DOCK with the first two so they literally would be laptops.
    Second of Windows 8 hybrid tablet it works like the transformer but it comes with the keyboard.

    For people who want to do nothing but run Google all day ARM processors are enough and beat the **** out of Intels and AMDs battery life.
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    posted a message on How much is your Ultrabook?
    Quote from earthrace57

    Effectively they are artificially boosted by using something I forgot...its like half something...I dunno

    To a certain extent; you still would need a 3+GHz part to keep up with Intels IB ULV parts I believe.

    Yea, its not linear, even 1-2 isn't linear. For example, if I locked 3 cores on my 2500K and put it at stock speeds (single core @ 3.3 GHz), it would still be faster than if someone locked 2 cores of their FX-4100 and set it to clock speeds.

    Aren't designed to, but HD4000 isn't too shabby. Also, they fill for people like me (I'm considering getting one), who need something thin and light that will be used mostly for word processing and web browsing; I already have my desktop for gaming.

    You obviously haven't met the ASUS Zenbook Prime (due to be released this month). It has a 1080p screen, meaning productivity is still perfectly viable.


    No they are not they just clock high its nothing artificial the design just sucks in terms of IPC.

    The HD4000 sucks plus I don't see a single Ultrabook with it right now and Apple is using them.
    At the current moment to me it seems the Macbook Air is a better deal then the ultrabooks.

    With AMD and Nvidia both pushing GPGPU computing a GPU is not just something for gamers at this point.



    Granted this is only a handful of applications that support it more are coming AMD is pushing opencl hard.

    Trinity still losses in a lot of CPU benchmarks but both them and Nvidia are pushing GPGPU computing and more and more applications will be supporting it this year like handbrake.
    But you Said you just want webbrowsing performance does not matter You have many options that would beat the crap out of Intels Ultrabooks in battery life with just as good web browsing..
    The Ipad and its retina display.
    The keyboard for it is not too expensive.
    Or
    The Asus transformer 3
    But they all lack word so why not a Windows 8 hybrid tablet.
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