If you go by a % they actually DO get paid more than a US citizen on minimum wage.
They can if they apply for extra training they have the option to but if they don't I am pretty sure they make just under it.
"It now sits at 1,800 yuan per month, and can be raised a further 400 yuan, to 2,200 yuan, if employees pass a technical examination. By today's conversions, 1,800 yuan equates to just over $285, while 2,200 yuan is just under $350."
foxconn is still "workers friendly" compared to sweat shops and coal mines in china. which have one of the harshest working conditions in the world.
Not to mention foxconns suicide rates are lower then the USA and UK.
Compared to the cost of living they almost get paid as much as a US citizen on minimum wage.
Both suck they are AMDs last gen lowend wait for Trinity in the next couple of days and avoid HP many other better companies.
I can't recommend you a laptop as Trinity releases in the next couple of the days.
I'm just saying that if you are putting a 17W TDP part into something, its going to be slim, and if you want to consider it a competitor to an ultrabook, its only fair for a SSD to be put in.
So now making excuses for AMD?
No word, no content creation.
Intel medfield. Also, content creation, didn't say just web browsing, word, skype, and the like. Also, they can, but not on windows, and not very well. The graphics performance isn't even enough to run win 7 home premium.
Actually, I've been considering the ASUS Zenbook Prime UX31a because of how slim and light it is, and considering that I have to take it to school and carry it in my backpack for 6-7 hours of the day, it may be well worth it for the slim form factor.
No the Ultrabook spec requires it to have an Intel chip in it so its kinda impossible for AMD to make an Ultrabook.
I have typed papers on Gdocs on an Ipad its not that bad.
Skype is on Android and Ios has it too.
Lets do a comparison.
ASUS Zenbook Prime UX31a
Intel Core i5-3317U 1.7 GHz
4 GB SO-DIMM, 128 GB Solid-State Drive
Backlit Keyboard
13.3-Inch IPS Full-HD LED Screen, Intel HD 4000 Graphics
3.96lb
1150$
Macbook Air
1199$
1.8GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 (Turbo Boost up to 2.8GHz)
4GB of 1600MHz DDR3
128GB SSD
Intel HD4000
Backlite keyborad
13.3-inch 1440x900 LED-backlit glossy widescreen display
2.96lb.
720p webcam for skype.
Like I said Intel decided Apple products were priced too reasonable and created the Ultrabook.
If I was stupid and wanted a PC in this form factor I'm sorry but for once the money goes to Apple.
But the zenbook has a higher res screen you might say and to that whoopty ****ing do apple actually is not stupid and uses 16x10 screens so in that way its better and the highres screen big ****ing deal I say Apple retina displays are a negligible advantage and guess what it works the other way too.
I don't expect Trinity ultrabook-class notebooks to be much cheaper than intel ultrabooks. For example, the Sony Viao T is around $770, however, I think Trinity will bottom out at $700. This is because of the SSD and for an ultra thin construction, you need either metal or extremely high-grade plastic (actually, intel is currently working on a type of plastic strong enough for an ultrabook for its partners).
But that thing isn't something that is ultrabook-class.
Never mind, you don't seem to get it.
"Instead of the VLIW5 arrangement, which also sat at the heart of Radeon HD 6800 and older GPUs, it utilizes the VLIW4 design that went into AMD’s Radeon HD 6900-series cards. Everything after the 6900s swapped over to Graphics Core Next, so VLIW4 isn’t a very prolific implementation" - Tom's Hardware article about Trinity.
Sorry, I didn't mean OpenCL, I meant GCN.
No, they still do not run a desktop os. Also, don't give me "what about windows 8 tablets" They aren't here yet, you can bring that argument up when they get there.
That statement is untrue. Intel i about on par with ARM because it runs on a 22nm process, whereas qualcomm and TI run on 28, Samsung runs on 32, and nVidia runs on 40. So, if those companies managed to get the same performance as the Intel ULV chips, they would still pull similar amounts of power.
MY whole point is Ultrabooks are **** so I don't care if Trinity is not technically a ultrabook.
AMDs APU run last gen graphics archs because it takes time to adapt them to trinity because they do more then just slap a gpu on the die like Intel they share memory controllers and other things with the CPU.
I brought up the Windows 8 tablets as something you could get because they will be here soon and why not the asus transformer or any of the billions of tablets with keyboard docks?
Process tech is not everything ARM designs use less then 1watt and are more then capable of web browsing. They don't need to be as fast as Intels ULV chips because you said ultrabooks are just for web browsing and ULV is already overkill for that.
At this point I think Ultrabooks are for people who want Apple like overpricing without owning an Apple product.
It is also worth mentioning that USB2 is only half duplex so if you get a massive drive you will be moving things back and forth on get 3 or a Esata drive.
Also, it artificially pushes the clockspeeds higher because you don't have to add it, but they did for some unfathomable reason.
Also, Trinity is based off of the 69xx architecture, so there is no openCL support.
Tablet form factors aren't for everyone, and also, the issue is they both provide playable frames at almost everything, but the difference is minimal between the two; in fact, the only difference is for a bit more price, you get higher CPU performance and probably and SSD.
The first one is almost double the price of Trinity protected price by AMD granted that's probably a hopefully estimate but I don't expected it to be a lot more then its old gen llano.
Add what you don't understand do you.
The clock speed is a measure of how fast it can cycle it runs at that speed its not fake running at that speed.
Uh are you stupid its running OpenCl in that benchmark first of all
Second of all the 4xxx series supports OpenCL and all series above it do.
I am starting to think you only half read my posts.
Note I said with KEYBOARD DOCK with the first two so they literally would be laptops.
Second of Windows 8 hybrid tablet it works like the transformer but it comes with the keyboard.
For people who want to do nothing but run Google all day ARM processors are enough and beat the **** out of Intels and AMDs battery life.
Effectively they are artificially boosted by using something I forgot...its like half something...I dunno
To a certain extent; you still would need a 3+GHz part to keep up with Intels IB ULV parts I believe.
Yea, its not linear, even 1-2 isn't linear. For example, if I locked 3 cores on my 2500K and put it at stock speeds (single core @ 3.3 GHz), it would still be faster than if someone locked 2 cores of their FX-4100 and set it to clock speeds.
Aren't designed to, but HD4000 isn't too shabby. Also, they fill for people like me (I'm considering getting one), who need something thin and light that will be used mostly for word processing and web browsing; I already have my desktop for gaming.
You obviously haven't met the ASUS Zenbook Prime (due to be released this month). It has a 1080p screen, meaning productivity is still perfectly viable.
No they are not they just clock high its nothing artificial the design just sucks in terms of IPC.
The HD4000 sucks plus I don't see a single Ultrabook with it right now and Apple is using them.
At the current moment to me it seems the Macbook Air is a better deal then the ultrabooks.
With AMD and Nvidia both pushing GPGPU computing a GPU is not just something for gamers at this point.
Granted this is only a handful of applications that support it more are coming AMD is pushing opencl hard.
Trinity still losses in a lot of CPU benchmarks but both them and Nvidia are pushing GPGPU computing and more and more applications will be supporting it this year like handbrake.
But you Said you just want webbrowsing performance does not matter You have many options that would beat the crap out of Intels Ultrabooks in battery life with just as good web browsing..
The Ipad and its retina display.
The keyboard for it is not too expensive.
Or
The Asus transformer 3
But they all lack word so why not a Windows 8 hybrid tablet.
There were architecture things to artificially boost clockspeed in Pentium, those same tricks are used in Bulldozer.
Clockspeeds and cores don't mean anything. If you can explain the FX-4100 needing an OC to 4.6 GHz to keep up with the i3 2120, be my guest.
You say Trinity is any better than my Celeron, and not by much, considering it is still built upon the Penryn architecture.
I'm simply saying that they aren't designed to game, I don't know anyone who would buy an ultrabook to game.
They are not artificially boosted Piledriver IPC is low there is a difference.
Cores do mean something when you are working with threaded tasks but the per core performance also means a lot.
Comparing any processor clock for clock from different companies is stupid.
I am not saying the fx 4100 is good.
All I am saying is just because something clock for clock is worse means jack squat when one is clocked higher and priced lower.
AMDs current products are not i am not saying they are but saying they suck because they are clock for clock slower then Intel is a stupid argument.
They are slow because of low IPC and low clocks you can counter a low IPC by higher clockspeed.
I never said it was better clock for clock and core for core. I said its better then my Athlon by a long shot and I can browse the web and game just fine. It is better then your celeron why because it is not a single core.
Well you might say cores is a poor count of speed well yes it this came up during the original transition to dual cores from single cores.
It is better to have two weaker cores then 1 strong one hands down. Is it better to have 8 weaker cores then 4 strong no because core performance is not linear.
Exactly they aren't designed to game because Intel has **** poor graphics.
So what group of people are UltraBooks supposed to fill.
Because people who just want internet and light games will get a tablet.
People who want to game and have something in the Ultrabook battery life range will buy AMD Ultrathin
Well Intel has a better cpu.
Well then to that I say well ok who is going to use that anyone that going to want to do actual work wont use that tiny of a screen.
There is almost no reason to go with USB3.0 right now unless you have an expensive video camera and plan on transferring very large files.
Well most drives I've seen rated for USB3.0 tend to have faster speeds then USB2.0 in the same price range neither would flood a USB2 interface but it seems the OEMs are putting faster speeds on USB3.0 even though they have no reason to.
No reason to go after 3 specifically but a lot of the good drives have it anyway.
So just find what has the best speeds in your price range and capacity you want and buy it regardless of the interface.
I said it is a legit chip, as in pretty much every chip has to fit inside the 17W envelope, whereas with Intel, because they make so many, they can problably increase the clockspeeds and voltage and call it a 25W chip (just realized they aren't in production anymore)
Anyway: clock for clock, Trinity will still be behind, so even though the clock-for-clock performance of trinity is up 20% from bulldozer, bulldozer was effectively a re-invented Pentium 4. Remember, a quad core 4.6 GHz CPU from bulldozer is equivalent to a 3.3 dual core i3 2120, and that isn't even on IB.
Even though it is clocked at 2.1 GHz, the clock-for-clock is so terrible that doing basic tasks will suck.
But web browsing still eats up CPU usage; on my 2.2 GHz Celeron 900 in my laptop, when I am running with multiple tabs open, that CPU is still running near max.
Trying to judge a sleekbook/ultrabook/ULV part on gaming is like trying to judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree; it isn't meant to be.
No you said they need to meaning they haven't and Trinity is released to the OEMs.
Its not a reinvented Pentium 4 that comparison is stupid the only logic is the low IPC.
Who cares clock for clock that its slower then Intel thats not how you compare PC.
If the 8350 is the same price as the 3450 who cares that the 8350 is not clock for clock as fast if its faster over all due to it shipping with high clocks.
That's a shitty celeron not a Trinity.
Why can't they game because Intel says so?
AMDs Ultrathins can game and have the same power envelope.
I'm saying that AMD is going to have to release a legitimate 17W, whereas Intel's may be heavily binned 25W or whatever. Also, on a day-to-day basis, the A6 is going to suck; imagine trying to web browse on an old Dell Adamo, it sucked, and so will the A6. Gaming performance isn't everything, especially on ultrabooks.
Uh how is that Trinity chip not a "legtimate" 17W.
How will it suck on the A10 and A8 and A6.
CPU wise they beat the **** out of my Athlon.
So why is the AMD CPU going to suck at web browsing even though most web browsing is GPU accelerated with any modern browser.
This is a gaming forum I am going to care about gaming performance even then AMD ties with Battery life at the same TDP with Intel.
Also better binned I5 2500 for example will not do any better then any other I5 why because they all run at the same voltage same clocks ect.
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The ghz edition scores it more wins like I posted like a month ago benchmarks and all.
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Minimum wage in America is 7.23$ an hour.
I never said they got paid close to what Americans make.
I said compared to the living costs in the area.
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They can if they apply for extra training they have the option to but if they don't I am pretty sure they make just under it.
"It now sits at 1,800 yuan per month, and can be raised a further 400 yuan, to 2,200 yuan, if employees pass a technical examination. By today's conversions, 1,800 yuan equates to just over $285, while 2,200 yuan is just under $350."
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Not to mention foxconns suicide rates are lower then the USA and UK.
Compared to the cost of living they almost get paid as much as a US citizen on minimum wage.
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I can't recommend you a laptop as Trinity releases in the next couple of the days.
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No the Ultrabook spec requires it to have an Intel chip in it so its kinda impossible for AMD to make an Ultrabook.
I have typed papers on Gdocs on an Ipad its not that bad.
Skype is on Android and Ios has it too.
Lets do a comparison.
ASUS Zenbook Prime UX31a
- Intel Core i5-3317U 1.7 GHz
- 4 GB SO-DIMM, 128 GB Solid-State Drive
- Backlit Keyboard
- 13.3-Inch IPS Full-HD LED Screen, Intel HD 4000 Graphics
- 3.96lb
1150$Macbook Air
1199$
1.8GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 (Turbo Boost up to 2.8GHz)
4GB of 1600MHz DDR3
128GB SSD
Intel HD4000
Backlite keyborad
13.3-inch 1440x900 LED-backlit glossy widescreen display
2.96lb.
720p webcam for skype.
Like I said Intel decided Apple products were priced too reasonable and created the Ultrabook.
If I was stupid and wanted a PC in this form factor I'm sorry but for once the money goes to Apple.
But the zenbook has a higher res screen you might say and to that whoopty ****ing do apple actually is not stupid and uses 16x10 screens so in that way its better and the highres screen big ****ing deal I say Apple retina displays are a negligible advantage and guess what it works the other way too.
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MY whole point is Ultrabooks are **** so I don't care if Trinity is not technically a ultrabook.
AMDs APU run last gen graphics archs because it takes time to adapt them to trinity because they do more then just slap a gpu on the die like Intel they share memory controllers and other things with the CPU.
I brought up the Windows 8 tablets as something you could get because they will be here soon and why not the asus transformer or any of the billions of tablets with keyboard docks?
Process tech is not everything ARM designs use less then 1watt and are more then capable of web browsing. They don't need to be as fast as Intels ULV chips because you said ultrabooks are just for web browsing and ULV is already overkill for that.
At this point I think Ultrabooks are for people who want Apple like overpricing without owning an Apple product.
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1
The first one is almost double the price of Trinity protected price by AMD granted that's probably a hopefully estimate but I don't expected it to be a lot more then its old gen llano.
Well no **** that is twice the price and guess what this would blow that out of the water.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230141
Cheaper and faster.
Add what you don't understand do you.
The clock speed is a measure of how fast it can cycle it runs at that speed its not fake running at that speed.
Uh are you stupid its running OpenCl in that benchmark first of all
Second of all the 4xxx series supports OpenCL and all series above it do.
I am starting to think you only half read my posts.
Note I said with KEYBOARD DOCK with the first two so they literally would be laptops.
Second of Windows 8 hybrid tablet it works like the transformer but it comes with the keyboard.
For people who want to do nothing but run Google all day ARM processors are enough and beat the **** out of Intels and AMDs battery life.
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No they are not they just clock high its nothing artificial the design just sucks in terms of IPC.
The HD4000 sucks plus I don't see a single Ultrabook with it right now and Apple is using them.
At the current moment to me it seems the Macbook Air is a better deal then the ultrabooks.
With AMD and Nvidia both pushing GPGPU computing a GPU is not just something for gamers at this point.
Granted this is only a handful of applications that support it more are coming AMD is pushing opencl hard.
Trinity still losses in a lot of CPU benchmarks but both them and Nvidia are pushing GPGPU computing and more and more applications will be supporting it this year like handbrake.
But you Said you just want webbrowsing performance does not matter You have many options that would beat the crap out of Intels Ultrabooks in battery life with just as good web browsing..
The Ipad and its retina display.
The keyboard for it is not too expensive.
Or
The Asus transformer 3
But they all lack word so why not a Windows 8 hybrid tablet.
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They are not artificially boosted Piledriver IPC is low there is a difference.
Cores do mean something when you are working with threaded tasks but the per core performance also means a lot.
Comparing any processor clock for clock from different companies is stupid.
I am not saying the fx 4100 is good.
All I am saying is just because something clock for clock is worse means jack squat when one is clocked higher and priced lower.
AMDs current products are not i am not saying they are but saying they suck because they are clock for clock slower then Intel is a stupid argument.
They are slow because of low IPC and low clocks you can counter a low IPC by higher clockspeed.
I never said it was better clock for clock and core for core. I said its better then my Athlon by a long shot and I can browse the web and game just fine. It is better then your celeron why because it is not a single core.
Well you might say cores is a poor count of speed well yes it this came up during the original transition to dual cores from single cores.
It is better to have two weaker cores then 1 strong one hands down. Is it better to have 8 weaker cores then 4 strong no because core performance is not linear.
Exactly they aren't designed to game because Intel has **** poor graphics.
So what group of people are UltraBooks supposed to fill.
Because people who just want internet and light games will get a tablet.
People who want to game and have something in the Ultrabook battery life range will buy AMD Ultrathin
Well Intel has a better cpu.
Well then to that I say well ok who is going to use that anyone that going to want to do actual work wont use that tiny of a screen.
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Well most drives I've seen rated for USB3.0 tend to have faster speeds then USB2.0 in the same price range neither would flood a USB2 interface but it seems the OEMs are putting faster speeds on USB3.0 even though they have no reason to.
No reason to go after 3 specifically but a lot of the good drives have it anyway.
So just find what has the best speeds in your price range and capacity you want and buy it regardless of the interface.
0
No you said they need to meaning they haven't and Trinity is released to the OEMs.
Its not a reinvented Pentium 4 that comparison is stupid the only logic is the low IPC.
Who cares clock for clock that its slower then Intel thats not how you compare PC.
If the 8350 is the same price as the 3450 who cares that the 8350 is not clock for clock as fast if its faster over all due to it shipping with high clocks.
That's a shitty celeron not a Trinity.
Why can't they game because Intel says so?
AMDs Ultrathins can game and have the same power envelope.
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Uh how is that Trinity chip not a "legtimate" 17W.
How will it suck on the A10 and A8 and A6.
CPU wise they beat the **** out of my Athlon.
So why is the AMD CPU going to suck at web browsing even though most web browsing is GPU accelerated with any modern browser.
This is a gaming forum I am going to care about gaming performance even then AMD ties with Battery life at the same TDP with Intel.
Also better binned I5 2500 for example will not do any better then any other I5 why because they all run at the same voltage same clocks ect.
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Close my ass AMD Trinity is pulling almost double the fps neither are playable at medium anyway but on low AMD can at least push more then 30fps.
If you would read my post you would notice the ULV have the same about of cores as the non ULV and GPU clocks only a bit lower.