I'm disappointed in Mojang for not enforcing their EULA. There are only a handful of websites that provide cash shop services such as Enjin, it would be easy for Mojang to get this p2w nonsense under control if they just threatened those websites with legal action if they do not stop providing services that violate the EULA. That way they would not have to handle each individual report, they'd be nipping the problem in the bud.
Of course someone can be a pro in aspects of Minecraft. I have seen outstanding buildings, very creative made furniture with only just the Minecraft blocks, very advanced redstone mechanics, epic adventure maps, etc. Whole cities and even countries are remade in Minecraft.
Saying that no one can be good at Minecraft and that everyone is a newb, is not the solution for the problems described here.
This is the culture of mediocrity I was talking about. Most likely these people who repeatedly get called n00b deserve it. This game has been out for years and although I'm sure every now and then a kid buys the game and is genuinely learning how to play online, they won't be on this forum with hundreds of posts already. These players refuse to acknowledge that some players are more skillful at others. They are a slap in the face to builders, PVPers, Redstoners, and any other niche group in the game that try to be on top of their game and constantly improve their skills. Imagine you just spent 40 hours building a castle, then some guy goes and builds a box house out of polished granite right beside it. Or imagine you just spent the past four or five hours getting enough chickens in your automatic chicken cooker to make it work right, and someone punches a hole in the side letting them all out.
Every day players who have played this game for months or even years do things like this to annoy established players on servers. And those players think they should be immune to any form of criticism despite the fact they drastically reduce the quality of play in this game with their thoughtless and ignorant actions. If you join a medieval server where all the builds look really fancy and fit a medieval theme, why are you going to build a big stone box house with glass panes and a flat roof? Why?!! But players do this crap and then make us decent players who actually contribute to servers out to be the bad guys for pointing it out and asking them not to do it. That's what a n00b is. If people are calling you a n00b all the time maybe you should change your behavior and get better at building or playing instead of asking the world to change their expectations out of you.
WolfSage is right, for Mojang it is all about the money now. This is no longer the game made by one guy as a hobby but a cash cow for a really lazy company. The plushies are really cute though.
Yeah, so like I said, you're right about pretty much everything else. That's one thing that really discourages me from becoming too invested in mods, plugins, resource packs, etc. If it's just going to be broken every time Mojang releases an update, and might not get fixed until a year later right before the next update, why even bother?
I'm not necessarily a fan of schematics as I feel they can make builders obsolete and end up in redundant servers when someone abuses them. This plugin is very interesting though, I love the idea of being able to create and sell my own schematics. It is nice that us builders are finally getting some attention. Thanks for this, and I must say I am impressed with your ability to come up with such a plugin in a week. Let me know when a good, stable server is up and running with this.
Mediocrity and ignorance are what is ruining this community. Yeah, a big part of it is the fact that most Minecraft players are kids. But I've seen kids who made a good effort and I've seen adults who did not. Basically this game is full of functionally illiterate people who can't or won't build anything decent. So if you join this game with the intent to build amazing things and role play, you will be disappointed. Very disappointed.
"hai ima miencraft plyr i tyep leik dis nd bild leik dis"
Same thing that happened with the overall gaming community. It went mainstream. Just look at how music declined since it went mainstream. When it was just a handful of British people and some dirty hippies music was amazing, it was full of heart and soul and the lyrics were always poetic and about something deep and meaningful. Now our music mostly just involves some hot chick twerking to a dubstep beat while she repeatedly parrots some one-line hook that was decided by a market research team asking people to rate different words and then put through auto-tune. Either that or by social scientists wanting to brainwash you into being stupid. Once there is money to be made in something it loses its soul. Just look at all these crap servers selling $100 donations so you can play in a laggy mess and lose your stuff to rollbacks every few hours. And people pay for that.
Actually, RobertFrans, for all legal purposes I do believe that any mods can be considered part of Minecraft. According to the EULA if you make a new item that affects game play with a mod, or the mod itself effects game play, and you restrict that item or mod to donators, then you are in violation of the EULA. In other words, Mojang can shut down your server for selling currency or world edit. They won't, we've reported tons of servers violating the EULA, I have yet to see the first one come down. But they could if they wanted. Just because it is from a mod doesn't mean it is not part of Minecraft.
Think of it like this. You buy a truck from some company but have to sign a contract that if you don't make the payments they can come repossess the truck. Well you put spinning rims and strobe lights and new speakers and all this cool expensive stuff on your new truck to pimp it out. But now you're broke so you can't make the payments, and they come to repossess the truck. Think they're going to give you time to uninstall all that junk you put on and take their truck back with no speakers? Nope, that's part of the truck now, and it's theirs. Even if they did give you your spinning rims back, they are useless to you because now you have no truck.
Mods can not be played without Minecraft and use copyrighted code. So mods are part of Minecraft, you don't get to own them or sell them. Mojang bought Bukkit and caused Bukkitgate. Then after the modders went to spigot they changed the EULA supposedly to help fight p2w servers, but considering they aren't doing that I hypothesize it was all about finding a way to control modded servers. Anyway, my point is that Mojang has made their feelings about who actually owns the mods quite clear. And it's not the people using or developing them.
You are right about everything else though. I just fear Minecraft 2 would end up having a cash shop and constantly ask for "donations" for Mojang.
I really didn't like the idea of a PVP update, but that's mainly because I am terrible at PVP and would rather Mojang just give me more stuff to build with and some realistic animal mobs. Selfish desires aside though, I love the idea of adding shields, dual-wielding, and poison arrows. Mainly because it will add more immersion to the game for me. I probably won't be using anything but a sword myself, due to my Minecraft character's role play background. Will still be nice to see more variety in everyone else's play style though. I just hope something doesn't end up being ridiculously OP because then everyone and their moms will be using it.
Nope, it would simply divide a community that is already divided. Not only are we split between PC, Console, and Pocket Editions, but we are split between versions since some people refuse to update to 1.8, or are unable to due to having crappy computers. Some people even still play on older versions like 1.5 so they can use outdated mods. Then when it comes to multiplayer, we got all these p2w servers, and different game modes such as Creative, Factions, Towny, Prison, Survival, MiniGames, Skyblock, etc. So on a single server people will be divided according to which play style, then divided again because Donors will get special ranks, colored names, limitless God Swords, fly, world edit, etc.
Minecraft may have a lot of players, but if you cut a big number in half enough times, you are bound to lose a few digits. Starcraft was THE best selling game for MANY years, had one of the most active and enthusiastic communities, and some of the earliest Sandbox play with the option to create your own maps and games. The UMS community was huge, with people making RPG's, tower defense games, LotR battle maps, etc. Starcraft 2 is practically dead though, and barely any custom made games exist due to the fact that Blizzard made their map editor infinitely more complicated. Yeah, a lot more is possible with it now, but it has a very steep learning curve which turned away most previous map makers. If Minecraft made a sequel, I imagine it would flop because it would naturally be a p2w mess with Microsoft making the business deicisons, and people would go back to playing the original.
Nope, my cheap, crappy, non-gaming laptop that lags at everything else due to having like over 9000 googlebytes of games installed works just fine for Minecraft.
The op has a valid point about how servers are becoming p2w. I've reported servers for breaking the EULA and nothing ever happened. My report was very detailed and had plenty of proof. Mojang also has a policy of not responding to reports, so you'll never know if it is even read unless the server actually gets taken down. But I don't know of any servers that were taken down. One server I know of has ranks that cost $100. And it lets donators use world edit which frequently causes the server to crash because so many people abuse it. I'm talking about a large, well-known server, with a co-owner that actually been acknowledged by Mojang in the past. So they aren't under the radar or anything, and I'm sure they've been reported.
As for hackers, I will say they exist, but I've never seen them mass kill everyone, that sounds more like admin abuse. The ones I encountered could use fly hacks and were pretty much invincible at PVP, but they never gave me a problem. In fact they were all very nice to me and some even worked for me during a pretty large scale war. I can understand why people would be frustrated by them though, especially in PVP. I don't hack, and currently don't affiliate with any hackers. But I will say they were very useful to me going against a dozen different towns funded by whales on a p2w server. So please don't hate all hackers, some of them are still great people even though they cheat at this game to compete with other cheaters.
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I'm disappointed in Mojang for not enforcing their EULA. There are only a handful of websites that provide cash shop services such as Enjin, it would be easy for Mojang to get this p2w nonsense under control if they just threatened those websites with legal action if they do not stop providing services that violate the EULA. That way they would not have to handle each individual report, they'd be nipping the problem in the bud.
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This is the culture of mediocrity I was talking about. Most likely these people who repeatedly get called n00b deserve it. This game has been out for years and although I'm sure every now and then a kid buys the game and is genuinely learning how to play online, they won't be on this forum with hundreds of posts already. These players refuse to acknowledge that some players are more skillful at others. They are a slap in the face to builders, PVPers, Redstoners, and any other niche group in the game that try to be on top of their game and constantly improve their skills. Imagine you just spent 40 hours building a castle, then some guy goes and builds a box house out of polished granite right beside it. Or imagine you just spent the past four or five hours getting enough chickens in your automatic chicken cooker to make it work right, and someone punches a hole in the side letting them all out.
Every day players who have played this game for months or even years do things like this to annoy established players on servers. And those players think they should be immune to any form of criticism despite the fact they drastically reduce the quality of play in this game with their thoughtless and ignorant actions. If you join a medieval server where all the builds look really fancy and fit a medieval theme, why are you going to build a big stone box house with glass panes and a flat roof? Why?!! But players do this crap and then make us decent players who actually contribute to servers out to be the bad guys for pointing it out and asking them not to do it. That's what a n00b is. If people are calling you a n00b all the time maybe you should change your behavior and get better at building or playing instead of asking the world to change their expectations out of you.
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WolfSage is right, for Mojang it is all about the money now. This is no longer the game made by one guy as a hobby but a cash cow for a really lazy company. The plushies are really cute though.
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You just need to ask yourself two questions.
1. What kind of server do I want to run?
2. Is this person helping me accomplish that or hindering me?
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Yeah, so like I said, you're right about pretty much everything else. That's one thing that really discourages me from becoming too invested in mods, plugins, resource packs, etc. If it's just going to be broken every time Mojang releases an update, and might not get fixed until a year later right before the next update, why even bother?
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I'm not necessarily a fan of schematics as I feel they can make builders obsolete and end up in redundant servers when someone abuses them. This plugin is very interesting though, I love the idea of being able to create and sell my own schematics. It is nice that us builders are finally getting some attention. Thanks for this, and I must say I am impressed with your ability to come up with such a plugin in a week. Let me know when a good, stable server is up and running with this.
BTW how much do you think this would sell for? XD
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Mediocrity and ignorance are what is ruining this community. Yeah, a big part of it is the fact that most Minecraft players are kids. But I've seen kids who made a good effort and I've seen adults who did not. Basically this game is full of functionally illiterate people who can't or won't build anything decent. So if you join this game with the intent to build amazing things and role play, you will be disappointed. Very disappointed.
"hai ima miencraft plyr i tyep leik dis nd bild leik dis"
"do u wunt 2 be muh bff?"
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Same thing that happened with the overall gaming community. It went mainstream. Just look at how music declined since it went mainstream. When it was just a handful of British people and some dirty hippies music was amazing, it was full of heart and soul and the lyrics were always poetic and about something deep and meaningful. Now our music mostly just involves some hot chick twerking to a dubstep beat while she repeatedly parrots some one-line hook that was decided by a market research team asking people to rate different words and then put through auto-tune. Either that or by social scientists wanting to brainwash you into being stupid. Once there is money to be made in something it loses its soul. Just look at all these crap servers selling $100 donations so you can play in a laggy mess and lose your stuff to rollbacks every few hours. And people pay for that.
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Actually, RobertFrans, for all legal purposes I do believe that any mods can be considered part of Minecraft. According to the EULA if you make a new item that affects game play with a mod, or the mod itself effects game play, and you restrict that item or mod to donators, then you are in violation of the EULA. In other words, Mojang can shut down your server for selling currency or world edit. They won't, we've reported tons of servers violating the EULA, I have yet to see the first one come down. But they could if they wanted. Just because it is from a mod doesn't mean it is not part of Minecraft.
Think of it like this. You buy a truck from some company but have to sign a contract that if you don't make the payments they can come repossess the truck. Well you put spinning rims and strobe lights and new speakers and all this cool expensive stuff on your new truck to pimp it out. But now you're broke so you can't make the payments, and they come to repossess the truck. Think they're going to give you time to uninstall all that junk you put on and take their truck back with no speakers? Nope, that's part of the truck now, and it's theirs. Even if they did give you your spinning rims back, they are useless to you because now you have no truck.
Mods can not be played without Minecraft and use copyrighted code. So mods are part of Minecraft, you don't get to own them or sell them. Mojang bought Bukkit and caused Bukkitgate. Then after the modders went to spigot they changed the EULA supposedly to help fight p2w servers, but considering they aren't doing that I hypothesize it was all about finding a way to control modded servers. Anyway, my point is that Mojang has made their feelings about who actually owns the mods quite clear. And it's not the people using or developing them.
You are right about everything else though. I just fear Minecraft 2 would end up having a cash shop and constantly ask for "donations" for Mojang.
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I really didn't like the idea of a PVP update, but that's mainly because I am terrible at PVP and would rather Mojang just give me more stuff to build with and some realistic animal mobs. Selfish desires aside though, I love the idea of adding shields, dual-wielding, and poison arrows. Mainly because it will add more immersion to the game for me. I probably won't be using anything but a sword myself, due to my Minecraft character's role play background. Will still be nice to see more variety in everyone else's play style though. I just hope something doesn't end up being ridiculously OP because then everyone and their moms will be using it.
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Nope, it would simply divide a community that is already divided. Not only are we split between PC, Console, and Pocket Editions, but we are split between versions since some people refuse to update to 1.8, or are unable to due to having crappy computers. Some people even still play on older versions like 1.5 so they can use outdated mods. Then when it comes to multiplayer, we got all these p2w servers, and different game modes such as Creative, Factions, Towny, Prison, Survival, MiniGames, Skyblock, etc. So on a single server people will be divided according to which play style, then divided again because Donors will get special ranks, colored names, limitless God Swords, fly, world edit, etc.
Minecraft may have a lot of players, but if you cut a big number in half enough times, you are bound to lose a few digits. Starcraft was THE best selling game for MANY years, had one of the most active and enthusiastic communities, and some of the earliest Sandbox play with the option to create your own maps and games. The UMS community was huge, with people making RPG's, tower defense games, LotR battle maps, etc. Starcraft 2 is practically dead though, and barely any custom made games exist due to the fact that Blizzard made their map editor infinitely more complicated. Yeah, a lot more is possible with it now, but it has a very steep learning curve which turned away most previous map makers. If Minecraft made a sequel, I imagine it would flop because it would naturally be a p2w mess with Microsoft making the business deicisons, and people would go back to playing the original.
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I build stuff.
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1.9 will just be worse. More stuff = more lag.
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Nope, my cheap, crappy, non-gaming laptop that lags at everything else due to having like over 9000 googlebytes of games installed works just fine for Minecraft.
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The op has a valid point about how servers are becoming p2w. I've reported servers for breaking the EULA and nothing ever happened. My report was very detailed and had plenty of proof. Mojang also has a policy of not responding to reports, so you'll never know if it is even read unless the server actually gets taken down. But I don't know of any servers that were taken down. One server I know of has ranks that cost $100. And it lets donators use world edit which frequently causes the server to crash because so many people abuse it. I'm talking about a large, well-known server, with a co-owner that actually been acknowledged by Mojang in the past. So they aren't under the radar or anything, and I'm sure they've been reported.
As for hackers, I will say they exist, but I've never seen them mass kill everyone, that sounds more like admin abuse. The ones I encountered could use fly hacks and were pretty much invincible at PVP, but they never gave me a problem. In fact they were all very nice to me and some even worked for me during a pretty large scale war. I can understand why people would be frustrated by them though, especially in PVP. I don't hack, and currently don't affiliate with any hackers. But I will say they were very useful to me going against a dozen different towns funded by whales on a p2w server. So please don't hate all hackers, some of them are still great people even though they cheat at this game to compete with other cheaters.