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Okay, I looked into it a little bit more, and I think I have a better say in this than before. For one, Oculus VR should still be operating independently, according to somebody who works at the company. Two, money doesn't fall out of the sky, and progress would have probably taken longer, considering the company has to manufacture many models and do more research into this. Clearly, Facebook has a lot more money, and it can hopefully come out cheaper, better and sooner. Three, they didn't even release a post-acquired version of the Rift. A little bit too quick to judge, don't you think? And four, what many people were saying about ads always popping up in the middle of a game, it not being used for actual gaming, Facebook having plans to use this to track info of people, etc. is: A: Said by people who are using Facebook, the bigger place between it and the Rift to have these "threats", (Notch, in my opinion, was the only one who was legitimate, since he probably wasn't using Facebook to begin with) and B: Very likely not gonna be done, you think a company would be this stupid to waste money to make a product nobody would want? Not a Facebook or Oculus VR fanboy, but lighten up, guys; yes, this might be worse, but on the other hand, it might be better. We don't know, we'll just have to wait until the consumer version is released. Thing is, though, that we can't make a final opinion before we've seen the real deal, considering they didn't even ship the second developer kit.

Normally, in relation to other issues, I would agree with you that people are overreacting - but in this instance, I think it is completely justified.

Oculus needed money to get off the ground, yes... but sooner or later it would have gotten it. Or one of the other brands developing similar technology would have. VR is going to happen, whether the first groups to do it have funding or not. The demand is simply too high for it to be ignored as an avenue of profit. For this reason in particular, any group with the money - be they a corporation or otherwise - would at least give it some thought once the baby steps were out of the way. Facebook just jumped the gun and took it ahead of the competition.

Whether OR still winds up operating independently of Facebook or not may not even be relevant... the fact that Facebook now owns it - and therefore has the final say on what is or is not added in terms of software and general content - is what worries me. Even if the dev team for OR still operates independently, they'll probably still wind up having to conform to Facebook's business standards or risk being fired and replaced by someone with more pliable morals.

And lastly, whether or not the people complaining about this use Facebook or not is beside the point - with Facebook, you can avoid disclosing your personal information to them by using a secure browser (ie. not Chrome or IE) and simply not adding any information outside of a name to your account when you make it, and keeping anything even remotely personal off and away from it. Anyone wanting to use an Oculus headset has to disclose their name and at least one correct and secure means of contact - along with bank details if they use a card to pay for it - in order to get and use the headset. Same thing for any data mining company, as I said before - it just so happens that the one whose data mining practices have received the most media attention was the one to have bought OR, which is why there's so much backlash over it.

As for companies being stupid enough to waste money on something like throwing ads into their games... have you seen the internet lately? Have you looked around when you go to the shops? Your local universities? Your cities? Everyone is doing it. Advertising is pervasive, all the more so because advertisers take indifference and passive hostility to mean that people aren't noticing their products, and will pay attention if they cram them that little bit further into our... let's say lives. Facebook is possibly the most blatant example of this. They are, in fact, stupid enough to do it, because advertisers don't care whether you like them or not. They just want to pester you into buying their product, and because they can legally make themselves a public nuisance with no repercussions, they're quite happy to exploit that allowance in every way possible. The fact that Facebook has so much money to throw around just makes it that much worse.

Facebook connects people... whether they want to be connected or not. You, me, the CIA, cyberterrorists... you get the picture.

Any group that does data mining and then sells that information is a threat to our privacy and freedom of speech. A single falling rock precedes the landslide.

Quote from PileGuru

Actually I love the challenge of starting a new world. Surviving and building resources, finding the odd items like the first, pumpkin/potato/cane/cows/chickens/etc that you need to develop a world is the most fun. I find it boring after I achieve brewing because I don't want to do mega build projects on my single player worlds so at that point it's time to go back to the server. I've never played in creative mode, part of the fun of minecraft is doing the mega builds while defending yourself from everything out to kill you.

It can be, and I know quite a few people who like fresh starts in their games. I did actually enjoy it the first few times... I've just done it so many times at this point that I cannot stand it anymore.

And I don't like losing builds, or having to rebuild them. As I can't get worldedit to install properly, this is a major problem for me =/

Quote from SomeCrazyCreeperHugs

For me it's smelting iron. I usually end up pacing my avatar back and fourth. Six ovens going at once takes a minute to break things down.

Only six? Dig a basement and light it up like the fires of hell

#Burnthehashtaggers

That is all I have to say on this subject.

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Quote from Squidling

#swag #yolo

#Usetheseforkindling

I've been trying on and off to learn to mod Minecraft - and to code - for a couple of years now, making use of tutorials and help offered through the respective forums. After getting all of my programs updated so I could start modding for 1.7.2, I went and looked through a few tutorials, and an idea occurred to me.

This might already be happening in the community - if so, I'm asking for a reference to the person or group doing it. The idea is live-streamed modding tutorials done by a modder (or several, preferably), who would go through the basics and explain/answer questions as the tutorial progresses. One person codes, explaining the basic backbone of what they're doing as they work through the tutorial's focus, while one or two (or more) others type/join private voice conversations to help sort through any errors or questions the audience needs help with.

This would probably be easiest for a modder or modding team with a lot of experience, and the time to go through a cycle of novice tutorials once a month or so. I understand that it's not likely to happen; there's a number of issues with the idea, including time management and flood control. But I wanted to plant the idea and see if anyone takes it up and makes something of it - anything is easier with an experienced person to turn to for advice, someone you can actually talk with in real time. I would have picked up what little I know so far in the space of a couple of days if I had someone with experience I could ask questions and clarify things that seemed obscure to me when I first started out. I'd daresay it's the same with a lot of the others who are struggling.

Of course, the biggest issue with this is the benefit the modder receives, aside from views and subscriptions. It would be a rather large time investment, even if the modder is simply streaming and answering questions as they work on something more complex. I think a lot of us could use the help, though, and would love to see something like this spring up in the community if anyone were willing to do it.

Read first post and was amused.

Science is as much a religious complex as Christianity or Islamic. The fact that it is (or seems) more accurate simply means it's a more efficient one. The fact that standpoints held as certain fact can be debunked makes it as prone to delusion as any other religion.

And no, I am not arguing this with you. As you have so eloquently said, once someone takes a belief system to heart, it is next to impossible to dislodge it ;P

Minecraft is no more an RPG than Terraria is a building game. They each have elements of the other, but each remain mostly dedicated to their primary genre.

Another way of looking at it is this: The experience, potions, bosses, etc... they aren't compulsory. You don't have to use them if you don't want to; you don't even need mobs on. Just flip your game to peaceful and build if the new stuff bothers you.

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Table of Contents:

Overview
Changes in how things work
Frequently Asked Questions
[WIP] The Cubic Chunks Mod!
Gallery
Supporting this suggestion
Special thanks

[spoiler=Tl:dr]Q: Won't this increase lag?
A: Absolutely not. The title of this suggestion and big red letters at the top of this post aren't lying. If you want to know how, then I suggest you actually read this post.

Q: Will this change terrain? Will this break existing worlds?
A: No. Terrain change is not necessary. Existing worlds can be converted fairly easily with a process described later in this post.

Q: How can sunlight or rain work with infinite vertical space?
A: I suggest you read Coping with sunlight, because it's too complex for a tl;dr.

Q: I have a different question but still don't feel like reading this post. What do I do?
A: Too bad, read the FAQ. I put way too much work into this for the entirety of it to be ignored.[/spoiler]

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Overview:

In Minecraft, the sky is the limit - literally. It doesn't matter how many thousands of blocks a player has traveled, or what dimension they're in, or even if they're playing in creative or survival, the highest they can ever build is up to a height of 256. Why is that? If Minecraft can have a world that's infinite in the north, in the south, in the east, and in the west, why can't that world be infinite up and down too?

In Minecraft's earliest days, in Classic and Indev, the world was not infinite in any direction. This was because the entire world needed to be generated at the same time, and the entire world needed to be simulated at the same time as well. This led to a conundrum - the bigger the world, the more it lagged.
Notch didn't like this. He knew his players liked to explore and build large creations, so he found a way to make the world truly infinite. When the Minecraft '' class='bbc'>Infdev came out, it brought with it truly infinite worlds. Suddenly, players could travel hundreds of thousands of blocks in any direction, and never encounter a barrier, or become too laggy.
The Infdev update brought about a very large change to Minecraft worlds to accomplish this feat. For the first time, instead every world being just a single huge piece, they were broken up into a two-dimensional grid of pieces, called chunks. Through breaking the world up into pieces, this 'chunk system' enabled infinite worlds by letting Minecraft create new pieces and simulate them only when it needs to.

Why does that not apply to the vertical axis? Because the type of 'chunk system' Minecraft uses right now is a linear one, which, by using only a two-dimensional grid to map out chunks, means that it is impossible for chunks to stack on top of one another, and by extension, meaning that a single chunk must cover the entire vertical space. This brings back the problem that the Infdev update was supposed to eradicate, now only with chunks, instead of an entire world; the bigger a chunk is, the more laggy it is. You can't just increase the height limit and make chunks taller, because it will become laggier, and laggier, and laggier to do it.
That's why, to fix this, Minecraft must change over to a cubic chunk system. Under this system, 16³ block chunks are aligned on a three-dimensional grid, completely eliminating maximum height as an aspect of lag.

The immediate benefits:
•Minecraft worlds become as virtually infinite vertically as they are horizontally: The absolute limit being Y = ±30,000,000.
•A large FPS increase: Alpha testers report an FPS increase of 100~200%.
•Increase in running capability: Computers running Minecraft on Tiny render distance will handle only 30% the blocks they do now.

The possible features:
•Spherical render/load distance: Reduce handled blocks by up to 30% by cutting corners made of unneeded chunks.
•Server chunk occlusion/exclusion: Reduce bandwidth usage and defeat hackers by only sending data for visible chunks.
•Three-dimensional biomes: Save biome data per chunk rather than per block column, create volcanoes with magma chambers, underground rivers, tropical skylands floating over icy taigas, and more.

The disadvantages:
•Unloaded gravity-pause: Falling non-player entities and fluids will be forced to pause their fall if they reach unloaded chunks, but will resume falling when those chunks are loaded.
•Slow falling-pause: Players with slower computers and smaller render distances will have falling occasionally paused as they fall into unloaded chunks, until new chunks can be loaded.

The problems:
•Current sunlight and rain calculation methods cannot work with infinite vertical space: The solution to this is described here.
•Current BiomeDecorator cannot work with multiple vertical chunks simultaneously: The BiomeDecorator code must be altered to function correctly with this, or removed.
•Current cave generation method is executed an extra time for each vertical chunk created simultaneously, leading to lag spikes on world generation: Cave generation's method must be altered to suit this system more.
•Current grass/dirt generation algorithm forces additional chunk requests when chunks are loaded, causing chunks to load slower than they should: This algorithm must be replaced with something else.

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Changes in how things work:

Obviously, the implementation of this new chunk system will change quite a few things. These changes are mostly either necessary or in the interest of increased efficiency. Such changes are categorized and explained below.

How worlds will be stored:
[spoiler]How the current storage works, and what changes:
Interestingly enough, the current method of storage, the Anvil format, is derived from the storage method that the original Cubic Chunks mod used. The Anvil format stores individual chunk as a series of 16³ quasi-cubic chunks. These 'fake' cubic chunks allow for easier reference of specific data, but they still can't be separated from each other, meaning that it fails to reap the full benefits of this system. Even so, the change allowed Mojang to double the maximum height with no performance hit. Chunks are stored in groups of 32², inside 'MCRegion' files, for a total of 1024 chunks.
By nature, cubic chunks does away with the 'quasi-cubic' nonsense. In terms of chunk grouping, instead of using groups of 32³ chunks, new "3DRegion" files would contain groups of 16³. This means each 3DRegion file contains 4096 chunks, four times as many as MCRegion files. However, each 3DRegion contains only one fourth the amount of blocks. For per-chunk positional metadata, 3DRegion files would use the same number of bits as MCRegion files, after compression. Calculations show that the same area encompassed by a single MCRegion file would consume 64 kilobytes of extra space with 4 3DRegion files, which is nothing.

Converting existing worlds:
Most people are probably wondering something like "But won't this totally destroy all existing worlds?". Absolutely not; conversion could not be simpler. When a non-cubic world is loaded after the implementation of this system, a conversion process will begin and convert the entire world at once(To avoid making chunk loading take longer during play). First, all existing MCRegion files will be divided into quarters to create 3DRegion files. Then, all existing chunks are divided into sixteenths using the quasi-cubic properties to identify boundaries. After that, conversion is done.

The "isEmpty" flag optimization:
A 1-bit flag is added to each chunk, named "isEmpty". If the chunk consists of 100% air blocks, this bit is 1, any other case makes it 0. When the bit is 1, all data for the chunk besides the isEmpty flag is deleted and ignored, which reduces filesize. Empty chunks are never loaded, and locations where they occur are merely simulated as entities reside in them. The chunk will only load when something requires saving inside it.[/spoiler]

Changes to terrain, ores, etcetera:
[spoiler]Terrain:
By default, nothing will change. Small bits of terrain generation code need to be reconfigured to work properly with Cubic Chunks.

Biomes:
By default, nothing will change.

Ore generation:
By default, nothing will change.

Structures:
By default, nothing will change.

The Void:
After conversion to Cubic Chunks, the void and bedrock layer will still exist and generate as they always have. However, the void(Not the bedrock layer!) will not exist as a hard limit and is able to be moved, but not removed, by editing an associated NBT data tag inside a world's level.dat. This feature, that allows for increasing the maximum depth, is intentionally disabled without external programs, to prevent terrain change of any sort. It is intended to be used by experienced mapmakers and world generation mods only.

Superflat settings:
Existing superflat worlds will not change. However, new superflat worlds will gain a new decoration parameter, 'void'. Inclusion of this parameter will cause the void to form below the lowest defined layer. Exclusion of it will cause all layers below the lowest defined layer to copy the settings of that layer.[/spoiler]

Coping with sunlight:
[spoiler]There used to be a solution here, but it wasn't deemed good enough by Jeb. Suggest solutions in this thread.[/spoiler]

Changes to servers:
[spoiler]Settings:
There's a setting inside the Server.properties file called 'max-build-height'. The setting makes it impossible for any player to place or remove blocks above that height.
With the implementation of Cubic Chunks, a new setting named "maximum-generation-depth" would be added. The void, bedrock layers, and magma layers will generate normally at and above the Y level designated by the value of this setting.

Chunk occlusion/exclusion:
Using the raytracing methods already available in the code and used for explosion calculations, servers can identify which chunks are visible to a player, within safe assumptions, and only send the data for those chunks. This both reduces bandwidth usage, and cripples the usefulness of X-Ray cheats.[/spoiler]

Render/Load distance alterations:
[spoiler]After the implementation of Cubic Chunks, view distances' radii will apply to the vertical axis too. This reduces handled blocks in the cases of tiny and short render distances, and increases them in the cases of normal and far render distances. This can be optimized by utilizing a spherical render distance instead of a cubic one, which would reduce handled blocks in all distances except Far.[/spoiler]

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Frequently Asked Questions:

[spoiler=FAQ]Q: This is impossible.
A: No it's not. See below.

Q: Is this available as a mod?
A: Not yet! But it will be!

Q: I like X-ray! What if I don't want it to be broken?
A: First of all, breaking X-ray hacks will only be possible to do in multiplayer. That said, the system that would break X-ray would be possible to disable by the server owner. If the owner doesn't disable the system, then they don't want you using X-ray, and you should not be doing what the server owner doesn't want in the first place.

Q: I play on a PvP/Anarchy/Raid/Faction server. Won't this system let people pillar up into the sky and create a base thousands of blocks in the air and never be found?
A: No.

Q: I like Minecraft's current height limits. What if I don't want to have an infinite sky or infinite underground?
A: If this system is added, all worlds will not automatically gain an infinite underground. As stated below, the Void will remain in all worlds, even after the conversion to Cubic Chunks. The ability to remove the Void will simply be there. As for infinite space in the sky, the current build limit is over one hundred blocks above any terrain that vanilla Minecraft can possibly generate. It is ENTIRELY your decision on whether or not you take advantage of this height. If you play on a server, like stated above, the server owner can set a maximum build height. If s/he doesn't, then don't play on their server - you don't play on servers where the server owners allow things you don't like. Why would you play on an anarchy server if you hate being stolen from and killed?

Q: Will this affect Redstone at all?
A: No. This system will simply make it possible to make larger redstone circuitry than before.

Q: Won't this break existing worlds?
A: No. Existing worlds can be easily converted by dividing each MCRegion file into 4 pieces, then slicing the existing 256 block-high chunks inside them into 16 individual chunks.

Q: Won't this affect mods? Won't mod authors have a hard time updating their mods?
A: The answer to this question depends solely on the answer to the following two questions: Do parts of the modification code rely on chunk data/metadata? Does the mod author want to take advantage of the features of the new chunk system? If the answers to the first and second question are both "No", then updating a mod to this system should be very easy and quick. If the answer to the first question is "Yes", then those parts of the code will need to be rewritten somewhat, but in most cases, the changes should be fairly quick and easy. The only time that it should be hard to update a mod to this system, is if the answer to the second question is "Yes".

Q: Won't this require a total rewrite of the mod API if that's released first?
A: No. Whether or not even a small part of the mod API needs to be rewritten depends on the way that it is implemented and whether or not there are API inclusions for chunk handling and other chunk-related behavior.

Q: Could a player fall into unloaded chunks if chunks aren't loaded fast enough?
A: No, they could not, and for several reasons. Minecraft has a terminal velocity, though it might not seem like it. This velocity is slower than it should take to load new chunks below the player. In cases with exceptionally slow computers, even if the player did manage to reach an unloaded chunk, their fall would be paused until that chunk can be loaded.

Q: What would happen when water, sand, or a mob falls into an unloaded chunk?
A: Nothing. The water/sand/mob would freeze in place until the chunk is loaded and it can continue moving. You can already see this same thing happening on the horizontal axis.

Q: What will happen to the Void?
A: It will still exist, along with all its effects. The only difference is that the Void is no longer a hard limit and it can be moved. After the conversion to Cubic Chunks, the Void's location will be stored in a world's ' class='bbc'>level.dat, and this location can be changed with NBT editing tools. When and where the Void exists, chunks will cease to generate.

Q: Will this affect terrain?
A: No. However, terrain generators will gain the ability to use infinite height.

Q: Will this affect ore generation?
A: No. Ore is a part of terrain generation. As stated above, terrain will not be changed.

Q: Won't all current terrain generators be incompatible with this system and need to be rewritten?
A: No. Terrain generators work independently of chunks. When a chunk is generated for the first time, it calls the terrain generator and receives a specific section of the resultant terrain to save inside itself. Because of this, some custom terrain generators can generate steep terrain all the way to Y256, where you can experience a large, flat cut-off. Since there are no chunks above Y256 to call the terrain generator for terrain, no terrain exists there.

Q: What would happen if there's a huge solid ceiling so far above you that it is unloaded? Wouldn't you just see the sky, just with everything being completely dark?
A: Yes. This already happens on the horizontal axis, and it is an issue with sky rendering, not this chunk system. As such, this has nothing to do with this suggestion. Please do not post about this.

Q: If you go deep underground, will your plants grow/ores smelt/animals grow?
A: No, because those chunks would be unloaded, just as if you had walked far away. This is a flaw with any chunk system, regardless of shape. It is a necessary evil that allows Minecraft to have infinite worlds. The only way to fix this would be to introduce a separate new system that works with chunks as they are loaded and unloaded. This suggestion deals with the chunk system itself, and not sister processes. Because of that, that is outside of the scope of this suggestion. Please do not post about this.[/spoiler]

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[WIP] The Cubic Chunks Mod! (Tall Worlds Mod):

Cuchaz has taken it upon himself to bring us the glorious Cubic Chunks, since Mojang refuses to do so.

Cuchaz is using a API of his own creation to help assist in the making of this mod, and he's quite far along, as seen in these two tech demo videos:
[spoiler=T-Demo 1: Vertical chunk loading][/spoiler]
[spoiler=T-Demo 2: Broken height cap and no lag!][/spoiler]
With the basic functionality in place - a complete overhaul of the basic chunk system, and height limit removed - this whole concept can already be considered proven. What remains is making sure everything else functions correctly under the new chunk system. In any case, stay tuned for future updates if it interests you(If it doesn't, then you are the weakest link - goodbye!).

You can follow the mod's development in much more depth in its very own topic!

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Gallery:

[spoiler=A mountainside with an experimental engine using Cubic Chunks designed by Nocte. 960 block view radius, and 30 FPS.][/spoiler]
[spoiler=A different view of the mountainside with the same engine by Nocte. This time, with 1600 block view radius and 15 FPS.][/spoiler]
[spoiler="A video demonstrating Nocte's engine."]

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The purpose of this suggestion is to have Cubic Chunks implemented in Vanilla. Being available as a modification does not fulfill that purpose. The modification featured in this suggestion is to act as a proof-of-concept only(Note: Its being featured here is to act as a proof-of-concept. The modification itself is on its way to becoming a fully fledged modification).

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Special thanks:
Cuchaz, for taking Barteks' proof and running with it, to give us a truly functional Cubic Chunks mod.
Barteks2x, for updating the Cubic Chunks mod to 1.6.2, proving that it is possible.
Azraile, for posting the original suggestion and allowing me to take ownership of it.
Nocte, for helping resolve flaws and designing Hexahedra.
MineCrak, for a large amount of valuable insight and enthusiasm into the topic of Cubic Chunks.
aaronfranke, for helping resolve flaws.
PanJouda, for creating the original banner.
Flexico, for creating the predecessor to the current banner.
laz2727, for creating the current banner.
Robinton, for creating the original Cubic Chunks mod.
The_Watchman13, for answering all those stupid questions so I don't have to.

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Note: Many calculations and information can be found among the many posts of this topic. There are too many for me to cite here, but if you wish, you can search for them yourself.

Quote from LicketySplit_Petkar

Make a mob spawer.

Really? You necrobump a post that was posted in 2010? Do you have any idea what year it is now?

So basically my mod was going to have something like TConstruct, where you can create tons of unique tools, like a iron-handled sapphire sword. That would've taken ages to make all the textures, even after some cutting down on possibilities. So long that writing this program and using it was going to be TONS faster than making each texture individually.

So basically, this program is used to make every combination of tools possible in a fraction of the time. It's simple.
Step 1) Make the handles of the tools.
Step 2) Make the blade/head of the tools you want.
Step 3) Run the program and watch it put together every single combination possible saving you the work.
For full instructions, and an example, watch the video down there it's short... and trust me watching this video and the time it WOULD'VE taken you to make the textures is still 10x faster.

This already comes with the vanilla sword blades and handles allowing you to get started really fast making vanilla combos, vanilla+mod combos, and modded only combos.

Here's a free video on how to use and stuff:

I really hope this speeds up mod development for huge mods. I'm hoping, because of this, that many more larger mods will be created. This program doesn't have to be made for tools only... you can also combine block textures, fish, foods, literally any 2 textures that are 16x16 can be combined.
You might want to note, the more combinations you make possible, the longer it will take for the program to create all the combos, and it may end up running out of memory if you go super overboard. Also, the more textures you create will make the size of your mod go up. No one wants a 3 gigabyte mod so I'd be careful when making HUGE operations. It's not like this will be the holy grail of mod texturing creation.



Download:
http://adf.ly/i9zJq




Special thanks:
The guys who made Java.
Minecraft for having the textures I modified.
Mediafire for hosting the download.
TConstruct and my mod's next update for the inspiration to make this.
That one hobo I see sometimes when going home from school because... well.. he didn't do anything... but still. Special thanks to him...

...and you for downloading <3

Ah farmville in 3d... I used to play that stuff regularily, then I discovered Minecraft... was so much more fun... Disappointed about Oculus. I was looking forward to it. I just do not trust facebook with it.

Quote from Chiffmonkey

Then frankly Notch is an idiot, because in the not too distant future that will be similar to saying you don't want to show up in a google search or that you don't want to have a real business address. Facebook has become a fact of life, and even if it were to be usurped by a rival, social networking is only going to be used more and more, with further reaching ties. What does it matter if you're playing a game from within a virtual world overlay or not? How does that change anything about the core features? This has nothing to do with existing facebook games, they're only representative of the kind of market that WOULDN'T be interested in VR.Besides if Notch really cared about games, he'd have finnished 0x10c

saying we have to accept Facebook because social media is a thing is like saying we need to accept EA because games are popular. contrary to what you seem to think 'social media' does not equal Facebook. Facebook steals private information and is the very definition of a money grabbing establishment. we don't like Facebook because Facebook does sketchy things that lots of people in the game industry don't want to be involved with.

Oculus rift was FAR ahead of anyone else developing VR. The reason people are upset is the leader in VR technology is now in owned by a sketchy company with questionable motives and means of making money. Its always about making money but some people and company's know when to stop. Facebook does not.

RIP oculus rift now dead in the water

I wouldn't want to be involved with anything that facebook would ultimately usurp complete creative control of and profitize with targetted ad revenue through the exploitation of users' private information and usage habits either. Avoiding it like the plague should be the default position of anybody who values the legitimacy of their project and its end users' right to privacy.

Glad someone is standing up to facebook. It can burn in hell for all I care.