From about 2 years ago.
Also, oh my, my taskbar was so messy back then
Due to continued necroposting, I'm locking this thread.
It is with great sadness that I have to announce the closing of the server. It seems the host have already packed up and let go of their staff team because we're not getting any ticket replies. Our August 29th backup will not open and our late July backup is too old to be practical at this point. We were 11 days from the 1 year anniversary of the server and it has been a great year. I know that me and the rest of the staff team will remember this as an amazing server that shouldn't have shut down and I hope you will too. But it is not practical to use a 2 and a half month old backup or start from scratch.
Our host has just unexpectedly closed without giving us ANY NOTICE. Server files are most likely gone at this point but there is still a chance we might be able to recover them. Our last backup is from August 29th so that is pretty much unusable at this point. We may have to close the server but this has not been decided yet. Please stand by for further information.
Any help is appreciated.
To everyone who is applying I encourage you to look elsewhere as this clan hasn't been active for quite some time.
The point is to refine our ideas so that they can be polished, by having people criticize them. Hence the focus on good criticism and preparing your ideas for it. Then you take that idea and put it somewhere Mojang actually looks, and have a theoretically much better chance of getting it in the game.
I didn't mean to turn this thread into a discussion about moderators, although by mentioning them in the least, it typically results in thin-skinne, defensive posts by mods themselves. (See above). But let me ask you this: they made you a mod and two months later you were a forum Admin. What training did you receive? Any at all? My guess is that this forum, like nearly every other forum, has no formal training program at all for moderators, since it's an unpaid volunteer position, and as such it's largely dismissed as not something the site owners are going to spend money on.
If by training you mean "Sent to a school somewhere", none. Everything was done on site, in which I had to read 3 large threads (each about the size of your post, probably longer), have a discussion with admins telling me how/what to do, telling me if I don't know something don't immediately act on it, ask for help. After that, for about the first week, my mod actions were monitored to make sure I wasn't abusing power.
Now, why did I advance so quickly? Probably because at the time I
1) Volunteered to help take care of a massive back log, cleaning nearly 600 reports myself in one night (I think that's around the number), which included multiple page problems.
2) Volunteered to assist in multiple sections which they did not have enough staff.
3) Did my job without need of correction.
4) Spent many, many, many hours nearly every day on the forums, almost exclusively moderating until the report levels at a low number.
5) A forum admin had to quit due to health reasons, and I was the best fit to cover his position.
As a result, volunteers with no training are instantly given a position of authority. That combination attracts a certain type of person (in general, as I said, there are some very nice mods here) that is drawn to authority, but who lacks the temperament for concern about paying customers. So you have mods acting as "control freaks" forgetting, nearly universally, that the people they are controlling are the customers of Mojang, have spent money on the product, and are likely to keep spending money in the future. Alienating them through aggressive moderation and posts that complain about forum users (see your "mentality" gripe above) works against the basic business model, and increases the risk that Mojang will lose customers. It means Curse loses more -- it loses those valuable site hits, and thus ad revenue.
People don't become mods just by asking for it, and we try our best to weed out the ones who lack the temperament for it. No, we aren't perfect at it and sometimes a bad egg does get in the mix, but we've also tried to quickly get rid of them as mods when found out. It isn't like we can't look into what a mod did and determine they aren't a good fit for the role.
As for aggressive moderation of paying customers, no matter how the rules are structured, people will complain. People complain because there are any rules at all and they want a free for all. People complain because they think we're too harsh on some things, and not harsh enough on others. We've had people leave due to both reasons.
Mods nearly never connect the dots. They don't think "if I am overly aggressive, or openly dismissive of forum users, we may lose them as a customer, and our site revenue will drop." Instead, it's typically a personal thing, "mods have to deal with idiots, you don't understand." To which I say, if you don't like dealing with people, don't become a mod. Simple.
Mods don't connect those dots and shouldn't. Their only requirements to the forums should be enforce the rules and follow the rules. The Site Admins are and should be the only ones that care about the revenue directly, and if there is a problem, they tell the forum admins, who tell the mods to change how they're doing things. Of course when someone gets a temp ban, they might never come back, should we not ban then because it hurts our ad revenue?
As for the example you're giving, yes a mod can be dismissive. Admins (Site and Forum) are the ones that can't just be dismissive, and complaints of that scale should be directed to the admins anyways. When I was a moderator, I don't know how many times I got told I was abusing my power because I deleted a flaming post by a well liked user. Or gave someone an infraction for literally multiple pages of bumps. I got accused of being friends of a certain server and protecting that server because another group was harassing them, and I was the mod responsible for taking care of the thread that was an ongoing flame war. It was so bad that I had to temp lock the thread in order to catch up to where they currently were, just because deleting posts was taking too long for me to do just by myself.
Yes, mods deal with all sorts of things here: flaming, spam, whatever gets reported, and they should expect some level of "dealing with idiots" and know how to handle themselves. Most of them do. The ones that don't need to be talked to. Simple as that.
It takes a specific skillset and temperament to moderate a forum board. You don't throw people in and then "two months later" give them promotions to Admins. That's just the site owner (Curse) ripping off the mods themselves, by exploiting their willingness to do free work. It never works out.
Haha, you think I was just "given" it like I did nothing to deserve it? Please, if I was so bad for the job, why don't you go find what I did wrong. I'll wait.
I was "given" FA during a time when the entirety of Mapping and Modding basically didn't trust admins/mods. So that was fun. Rather than simply doing whatever I wanted, I put a few things to public vote, see what our users wanted, and based my further implementations on that feedback. I got the section to go from hatred and distrust to the majority that were invested in that section liking me and my staff.
Did I feel exploited? No. I could've told them "No, I don't want to be a forum admin" and that would've been the end of it. I wasn't forced into anything, I volunteered for every single thing I did. If I had a problem doing any of it, I wouldn't have done it.
I literally just had a huge post deleted for a rule invented entirely out of thin air. It wasn't flaming, it was just deemed "off-topic" and erased, even though the post discussed (at length) the exact topic at hand. Fortunately I kept a copy, and was able to repost it elsewhere. But the mod didn't care that he took something of mine, that took some time to write, and simply erased it. Then, of course, discussing the deleted post risked further deletions (and eventual ban) because talking about the deletion WAS off-topic. So I was forced to shut up. I reported it to the Admin, but nothing was done.
This kind of thing makes me not want to come back. It puts a bad taste in my mouth about Mojang and Curse. It makes me resent giving them my money and my site hits.
How many other people felt this way, and abandoned this site? That's my point.
As I can't see deleted posts, I can't particularly comment on this.
The few things I can say are: Yes, talking about deletions are off topic. Make a thread in Forum Discussion (where you can talk about it no problem) or send a PM.
Off-topic isn't a rule made out of thin air. http://www.minecraftforum.net/meta/rules#do:on-topic Just because it isn't undo "do not" doesn't mean nothing of it is enforced.
Moderators coming here and posting a defense of their actions won't help. Instead, the site management needs to take a careful, introspective look at what its own staff are doing to alienate people, and if that has an impact on the decline of the site overall.
Of course moderators are going to defend their actions, they have every right to do so. Just because a mod or admin responds to you doesn't mean they didn't listen to anything you said. They're discussing with you, just like in my old thread multiple mods/admins discussed with me. They didn't see the same problem I did, or didn't agree with it, so I continued talking until it was clear. Responding with mods/admins was useful to clearing it up on both sides and ending with an discussion that I was happy with.
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