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    posted a message on [Modloader] xXiNightXx's Mods (12w34a crops added)
    Just a quick suggestion, instead of making a purely new tool tiers mod like most people seem to make, you should do something fancy with the gems you're making. :smile.gif:

    Maybe stuff like more decorative objects that use gems as part of their construction? Jewel decorated chests, doors and stuff, maybe even a single set of fancy jewelled armour using all (3?) types of gems?

    I think it would be pretty cool to have something different and fancy with the fancy materials you're adding! :biggrin.gif:
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    posted a message on Stop: Flaming and trolling in Released Mods
    Quote from Symbro »
    It received a rather positive response (ignoring the opposing argument)


    Fixed that for you :wink.gif:

    Quote from Symbro »

    why do you or I care? for all the people who support the idea and for all the modders and members who have already left due to a hostile environment.


    Because its for the better, i completely agree with a post like this being posted officially as a global annoucement, as its not just the released mods subforum that has these problems. There are always going to be trolls and flamewars, the best thing to do is to hit back authoritatively and let them know that this kind of behaviour will not stand. Not to make passive aggressive remarks when someone calls you out. As someone helpfully posted the definition earlier, that's pretty close to trolling in of itself.

    The problem is the sheer amount of trolling and flaming going on, the solution is to create a clear definition of it so that moderator activity does not cause more fuss than it dealt with. Moderators need to act quickly to remove offending content before it sparks more of it, to do this they need to know the rules and to have an agreeable definition of what constitutes what instead of only acting on what gets reported and what the moderator takes personal issue with.

    When this comes to dealing with certain re-offenders perhaps things need to be run a little harsher. The tools are there for the moderators to use.

    Quote from BlueSteelAU »
    no matter how many admins or moderators we have .. its never going to be enough untill we can get the majority of the ACTIVE members caring what happens here .. they have to change and become more respectfull of themselves and others


    Hear hear!

    Quote from BlueSteelAU »
    I WILL be posting a sticky.. in every day english.. (not noterised or as formal as the rules) and i'll be stating everything that i've stated in this message . as an open stickied global announcement where it WILL be an ongoing discussion ON ALL THREADS .. as it is necessary for community envolvement and discussions on all these things. this site is here as a community hall.. and everyone is expected to behave appropriatly.


    I completely support it. Even if the moderation/admin team decide that something drastic like: "This week we'll be quick-banning anyone who trolls or flames for 24 hours without an appeal, this is the end of the line for members of the community who think they have the right to be disrespectful to other community members"

    I'll support it because its an effort made by the moderation team to combat one of the biggest problems plaguing the boards right now. (Plus it would be an interesting experiment to see how the boards look without it!)
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    posted a message on Stop: Flaming and trolling in Released Mods
    Quote from Melfice »
    What is the whole issue here?

    Because a moderator agreed with a regular poster? Is that the whole issue, then? Because I have this feeling that it is totally the issue.

    "Oh, noes! A poster said something sensible, and a moderator agreed with him! WHATEVER SHALL WE DO NOW!?"

    I mean, by this point, I can make no other conclusions. It can, literally, be the only reason you guys are so strongly in favour of having the rules followed to the letter.


    The issue was that this topic was in the wrong section and a moderator let it slide (and endorsed it) because he thought it will make his volunteer job easier. Bypassing the protocol for rules and announcements.

    Admins and moderators are people too, not everything they say is always gospel, that's not at all the issue. Obviously moderators want to contribute to discussion as well. But there's responsibility in being a moderator, part of which means following the rules.

    Quote from BluesteelAU »
    FINE... I've moved this now to another area......


    now watch just how little members will actually read and take this on board.. because its no longer in the area the topic was written about...

    why the hell do i care... its obvoius a lot don't.. so long as they can get their precous mods and flame others


    You don't need to read the rules to be bound by them. Keep on dealing with the individual problems as they come up and push for the quick submission of an official rule posting if you actually care. : )


    Don't just give up and ridicule the community you volunteered to help.

    Quote from BluesteelAU »
    why the hell do i care... its obvoius a lot don't.. so long as they can get their precous mods and flame others
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    posted a message on Stop: Flaming and trolling in Released Mods
    Quote from BlueSteelAU »
    no... this topic wasn't started by me but by a fellow member... its not an official topic.


    Quote from BlueSteelAU »
    [...] its a support forum for mods, where people have the right and expect to be able to come here and d/load and get support of their mods. not have to sit through slanging matches.


    Completely right there. Which is why this topic needs moving and potentially resubmission once it's made the rounds around the admin/moderator team.

    Quote from BlueSteelAU »
    like i've stated I will be starting an official thread (when i get an admins permission) to discuss what we are talking about here.. all i did originaly was to state that I agreed with the post and that its relevent to this area of the forum because its stating facts about whats happening here, and it was posted by a member. who simply stated what many of the members (and staff) are thinking .. its getting worse.. and education/discussion is the key to getting things working as they should.. not silence


    Until the official thread gets the approval then, this one needs moving. Rules are rules.
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    posted a message on Stop: Flaming and trolling in Released Mods
    Quote from BlueSteelAU »
    Why... so that everyone can ignore it.. like they do the official rules post ???.


    Having an official post provides a reference point by which you can actually point and say, "look, you are breaking the rules as outlined here"

    Whether or not people read it is almost irrelevant, as it still applies whether posters read it or not. For the users who don't read it and then mess up, it provides more information than is feasible for a moderator to provide on a case by case basis. In short, instead of a user just receiving a line or two of "this is why you were banned", they can be directed to the rules in their full extent, including why they exist and information on the specifics.


    Quote from BlueSteelAU »
    this discussion will probably be moved and tidyed up as a nother global sticky. ZBut for the moment its doing a good job as it is at the moment.


    That would be the correct course of action. However if the purpose of the thread was just to inform a few specific users about their attitude, it could be argued as successful, but this kind of message would be better delivered via PM or by holding off until a tidied up global sticky is created. While this thread may be good in provoking discussion on a specific subforum, it still belongs in forum discussion until it gets rolled out as a sticky.

    Quote from C4C3 »
    Whats the "Right" section?
    Any topic that pleads the users to act nicer or something like that, can be posted anywhere from my understanding.

    The right section for this would be the forum discussion subforum, as previously mentioned. This released mods subforum has a specific purpose for which it was designed. This thread deviates from that purpose. The sentiment in this thread is more than applicable elsewhere.

    Quote from Melfice »
    How does it not?
    A moderator - the people with the power - says "This thread is officially endorsed by me, and conveys not only my sentiments but the basic rules of this forum. Incidentally, I am a moderator, so I decide what and what is not on-topic."

    Within reason, of course, but how is it such a horrible transgression that somebody decided to tell the forum "Hey, people! Stop being assholes!" in very nice words and that the moderator agrees and makes this a semi-official topic?


    The moderators are a team, and as such decisions need to be made as a team. Moderation is a responsibility, not a power.

    If the moderators and admins sat down and found that a "Hey, people! Stop being assholes!" global sticky was the best course of action then it would move forward as such. But as for this thread right now, it's not there yet.

    As for individual moderators deciding what is and what is not on topic, they are not alone in making those decisions, they have the forum rules at their disposal.



    Quote from laijka »
    In short, let's break the rules ourselves because no one reads them anyway?
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    posted a message on Stop: Flaming and trolling in Released Mods
    Quote from laijka »
    Quote from BlueSteelAU »
    so following your logic the locked RULES topic shouldn't be in here either because its not a mod either ???


    Now we both know that's not what I said. First off, they are global. Secondly, those topics are stickied. And from "official" (moderators) sources. That's different. This topic however is not official, not a released mod and carrying a quite stupid title.


    Quote from Melfice »
    The moderator deemed this topic on-topic because it pertains to this forum in particular.
    How is it so difficult to understand?


    If an moderator or admin is really interested in making an official thread with the same sentiment, they should do it the proper way, starting with discussion with other moderators and admins on the best way to approach it, and ending with a meaningful and accurate title with proper formatting and then a global sticky.

    As it stands this thread is a special case simply because a moderator said so, this "because i said so" mentality does not set a good example for other posters, especially those who maintain active threads of their own.
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    posted a message on Stop: Flaming and trolling in Released Mods
    This thread is not on topic, it is in the wrong section.

    While the material is relevant to issues pertaining to this forum, it's a thread that would serve its purpose better as a global sticky, or in the forum discussion section.

    Lead by example guys.



    However, on *this* topic. The best way to get something you don't like out of your view is to ignore it, don't try and tell people what mods they can and cannot make. If someone wants to make a dirt to diamonds mod, or vice versa, they'll do it, if you try to stop them by posting a rage induced comment, you'll only fan the flames and bump the thread you could have ignored right back to the front page. The most satisfying way to see a bad idea die is slowly and painfully.

    Speaking of the front page, there is actual fo-real scam spam on the front page right now, and people are posting in the threads! I should not have to tell you how counter-intuitive that is, posting "inb4 lock" achieves nothing, nobody will see your post before or after it gets deleted.

    However, on that same token, there's been a whole bunch of moderator activity in this thread, and those actual scam threads have not been removed, despite being posted at the same time.

    Something to think about.


    EDIT:
    Quote from BlueSteelAU »
    so following your logic the locked RULES topic shouldn't be in here either because its not a mod either ???


    The locked rules topic is not in this forum, it's a global post.
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    posted a message on [V1.6] Xie's Cooking Mod v1.4
    Quote from Rurikar22 »
    Just like the farming mod, the ini file completely ignores my changes or makes duplicate items rather with other item ids i don't even set. This makes all the recipes just break.


    Like i said in the farming thread. Check for a farming.ini/cooking.ini in your minecraft.jar, that should not be there, but it could cause the problems you are describing.
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    posted a message on [V1.6] Xie's Farming Mod v1.4
    Quote from Rurikar22 »
    The ini file just does not set them properly. When I search item IDs they "Should" be set for they are sometimes way off and even worse there are TWO entries for some things.

    I assume this is why the "seed splicing" component doesnt work because the IDS are out of wack, but I have no idea whats conflicting to cause that.


    There are multiple variables for each of the foods as some of them are block IDs and some of them are food yields and growth rates. Just take a little time to read it, you're usually looking for the second to last set of numbers, entitled "# Block IDs"

    If your farming.ini is actually broken or something, simply rename it (don't delete it in case you forgot any custom settings) and download a new one from the OP or run the game once to create a new one.

    Also check in your minecraft.jar for a farming.ini file, if it is installed there, that would take priority over the one in the mods/Xie directory, so you could make changes to the farming.ini file and not have them affect anything. Take a look in your minecraft.jar for a farming.ini, if it's there, delete it. That should let you make changes to the block IDs.
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    posted a message on [V1.6] Xie's Farming Mod v1.4
    Quote from FungusTrooper »
    Quote from laijka »

    BlockID conflict?

    EDIT: JUst checked and yea, most likely a ID conflict. Xie's BlockID can be found in the .ini and also changed there and Nando's BlockIDs can be found in his OP. Don'ty know what Nando mod you are using so can't be more specific. Hope it helps.

    I am using the big pack in the OP, with all the mods. I was kind of hoping to avoid checking each one individually. I had a feeling it might be a block ID, but a quick glance didn't show up any that matched. I guess I will have to go through each one tomorrow, sigh.

    How do I change them? Just.. literally change the numbers in Xie's INI or what?


    Simple fix, go to your .minecraft directory and look for "modloader.txt"

    That should give you the error message you need. Look at the block ID it references (if it references a block ID) and change that in Xie's farming.ini
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    posted a message on Nice job, moderators!
    Quote from Lynyn »
    This is sort of off-topic, but I've noticed a lot of useless threads have been locked in this sub-forum.

    I would just like to thank the moderators for taking charge here, there is already less trolling, and I hope this will help make the forums a better place!


    This!

    I've just popped into mapping and moderating and it's looking much better already. Hopefully the locked threads will make a few folks think about where they should (or should not) post. I'm also appreciating the consistency of some of the moderation posts, it seems like the posting guidelines have been formalised and the moderators know what they are doing!

    Bravo, and thanks.
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    posted a message on [V1.6] Xie's Farming Mod v1.4
    Quote from Zsazz »
    in a later update you could add some strawberries. with it you could mix it with lemodade to get... well strawberry lemodande!


    Maybe make some recipies like the fruit salad, but with a glass block instead of a bowl for various fruit juices? :biggrin.gif:
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    posted a message on [1.8.1]More Wood![V6.0]
    So did you say you were working on actual horizontal logs? Like the whole log block flipped on its side? So the cut ends are on the left and right sides? And the grain runs left->right?

    That's a bit more complex, as you'll probably have to change its rotation based on the direction which you place it in, like how stairs and furnaces work.
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    posted a message on Zxmadkiller's SUPER DUPER MODPACK version 0.0
    Quote from heavnite »
    Released mods is inside mapping and modding.Risugami has a thread containing all his mods.That's considered as a mod pack.


    That's not considered a mod pack at all. There are actual mod packs by a single author in this section (Nandonalts for instance) but that's a side thing, the bulk of his thread is for the released mods he has in that thread which can be downloaded individually. A mod pack is a grouping of other peoples mods in a single package. Hence "mod pack", a thread is not a mod pack. And this thread should not be here for a number of reasons, primarily because many of the mods are already in this forum. But secondly because unless Xxmadkiller has collected permission from all the authors of the mods he's repackaging it should not be on the forum at all.
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    posted a message on Delete
    So did you get permission from all the mod authors before you made this? You don't even link to them.
    Quote from Read Before Posting »
    NEVER:
    Post Illegal Activity:
    - Anything referring to Minecraft hacks;
    - Any link or reference to third-party clients or game interfaces;
    - Any material that is the work of another individual but is being represented as original. Permission must be obtained from the original creator, and due credit must be given, before including any element of that creator's work.


    Threads of packs like this don't work, things get very messy very quickly, i advise you to wrap it up willingly before a mod steps in.

    EDIT:
    Thank you for pointing this out to me, I was unaware. But I'm pretty insulted that you just called my post a dead topic. I posted 1.1.2 yesterday and it's already had 100 downloads, maybe not a lot for the big shots, but I think it's pretty cool that 100 people thought my mod kit was worth checking out. I am just a first time post-er that wanted this to catch on, this was only released 3 days ago after all. Never the less, you're right I will stop posting bumps.


    It's not about your topic being dead (yet), it's about bumping for the sake of bumping. If people want to talk about your pack while it's up they will, don't force it to the front page.

    EDIT2: Also i downloaded purely to check if you included a minecraft.jar file, and i expect a few others have as well.

    EDIT3:
    For your information, I did include links, they are in the README.txt It's pretty concieled you're right, I've just been to lazy to copy and paste the links I already put in the .txt file. If you're really concerned, I will copy the links into my topic thank you for the comment, every bump helps!


    It's not about just providing links, it's about redistributing the work of other people without permission. You did not ask these folks who made their mods if you could put it in a pack and spread it out. You have directly broken one of the rules of the this forum.
    Posted in: Mods Discussion
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