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I have a very strict rule on my server about NOT hitting people up for money. If I can't afford to keep one or both servers going, I'll shut it down and play LAN with my wife. But since $4/ month is enough to have a server going, one would have to be pretty hard up to not afford it. Or they are in it to make money, which is a pretty lame way to earn a living, or they are running with mods, unlimited exploration area, and allowing for 100 concurrent players. *THAT* takes serious money. I get that. But so much of the talk of money for running servers is just so much rubbish.

I think "I now have a Significant Other" has much to do with people leaving Minecraft. My wife enjoys Minecraft as we play together, and she has made a few friends also. I think, "This is where my friends hang out" has much more staying-power for the game than so much of features and so on. I do think the feature changes are a huge factor in "staying power", but I wouldn't discount friendships keeping someone in, or friendships outside of the game leaving less time for Minecraft.

I have both a Java Snapshot server I'm hosting for a few close friends and a Bedrock server for the same group. The two versions do have differences, sometimes in favor of MCJE, sometimes in favor of MCBE. Bedrock doesn't have data-packs yet. Add-ons in Java would allow for much more "creative editing" of entities such as how easily Guardians were changed to Sharks for Relics of the Privateers, and it would be trivial to do the same if only add-ons were in Java without having to "mod" anything.

Each version also appears to be informing how to make progress in the other. For instance, 1.9 combat isn't in Bedrock yet. It could easily be added, but Mojang appears quite shy in how they are going to make that change. Meanwhile, Observers are a feature that worked well in Bedrock to avoid introducing the "Piston BUD switch bug". Not every change is a win, but on the whole I think it is a net positive for both platforms and the Minecraft franchise moving forward.

I agree with @vintproyk: Minecraft never went "bad", it just changes over time as the game SHOULD if it is to live.

Constructive feedback is useful. Some of the stuff can and has been modded out, as it as bugged others. In other cases, it's a block. Just don't use the block. Problem solved. While playing Snapshot we had a bug that had a dolphin apocalypse. Dolphins everywhere, never despawning. I ended up making a "kill all the dolphins" button to remove them in all loaded chunks on the server. If "X mob" annoys you, it is trivial to "kill all X mob instantly the moment they spawn." Problem solved. Heck, with 1.13 you can now edit and tweak a lot of "minecraft default" things to give them new defaults, or drop them altogether. I think it likely that the stuff that bugs you has bugged someone else enough that either THEY have already created a mod that solves the problem, or YOU might be the one to fix the problem so others can enjoy it.

Minecraft is cool like that, especially in the current changes they are making to the game.

I very much agree with your response here, @C1ff. Mojang has asked for and needs constructive feedback, but they are not the only ones. Those who make the mods and data-packs mentioned that bring "1.8" combat to current release versions also need constructive feedback to make what they are trying to do better. The combat mods and plugins which are shown to work are not working? Not working how? Did you notify the people producing the mods and plugins why their stuff is broken?

Once changed into Protection, it's "forever." I hope you have a backup from before. I had to do that on my Snapshot server. Check jjlr's bug link for more details, but yeah... sad but true.

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If you're talking about Romaq's comment, I believe he was refering to data packs, which are optional pieces of content like resource packs. I'm not sure what the capabilities of a data pack are though, so I'm not even sure this is possible or not.

I've not used the Data-pack. I have no strong opinion of 1.8 combat. But the video is there for people to see, the Mod is available for people to kick it around and see if it does what they want. And it can be used in 1.13-pre1. Spigot plug-ins are available that also do 1.8 combat in 1.12.2.

Re: Mods, I'm still confused why people who claim they will NEVER EVER leave 1.8 because "Mods" have any claim to an interest in the FUTURE of Minecraft. I picture horse & buggy fans putting into law that those new-fangled horseless carriages should never travel faster than the average horse, otherwise it's simply too dangerous. When their law is put into effect and asked why they refused to buy one, "Oh... I prefer my custom horse carriage. Besides, those 'auto' things don't travel any faster anyway." Those people have the right to play what version they want for what reasons they want. And I claim the right to ignore those same people who cling to old versions because "mods" because there is simply no logic to their claim on the future of Minecraft when they are firmly stuck in its past. But for those willing to check out combat data-packs, Spigot plugins, forge Mods that tweak combat in a current version, I will certainly listen to what they have to say, and I may even agree with their point. Combat could certainly be done better. Mojang has admitted as much. I'm looking ahead to Minecraft's future, not behind.

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One can easily have the experience of a "fresh start" simply by traveling far away. Take a half stack of potatoes and keep walking until they run out. Toss anything you brought. There. Fresh start. I know it's that easy because I've done it more than once in my vanilla, large-biome SSP world began July 2, 2014 in version 1.7.10....

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, and I'm gonna do what my wife tells me to. Usually, it would begin with her feeling overwhelmed by the existing world. "Too much stuff!" Then she starts playing single player, and asks me to play with her. Then I ask her about the server we are paying for, and she gets mad and doesn't want to talk about it. I put her single-player world on the new server, then she's happy for a while and we get to play together with our friends.

I'm glad in Minecraft there is a great deal of room for personal tastes and for people to have different approaches to the game and what they want out of it.

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What's wrong with this type of thread? This isn't saying Minecraft is dying; in fact, it's trying to prove the opposite. I love and praise this type of thread because it gives everyone the opportunity to put in their opinion on this, which is an important topic for the Minecraft community.

Agreed, but only up to the point where it becomes another "I HATE 1.9 COMBAT" thread. It's like deja vu all over again.

"Items that are rare and lacking in use." Except for perhaps building blocks that have a higher "survival cost" compared to others. I get annoyed with Grian when he builds this stuff out of his "creative pocket" intended for a Survival build without any notion of 1) I can't freakin' hover in Survival, and 2) I can't just go out and get a ton of Nether Quartz or Prismarine. Some of those pretty building blocks he's using are *expensive*, and that has to be taken into account for a "survival build."

I agree with those who say, "Don't like those blocks? Don't use 'em!"

I'm confused... can't servers just use plugins to fix combat how they want it, such as https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/oldcombatmechanics ? Or for people testing Snapshot, couldn't they use the data-pack to get old style combat?
https://twitter.com/docm77/status/1002131678200987650?s=20 also contains current discussion of combat with the Devs involved. It's worth a read.

At some point it would be cool if this thread were re-titled, "When Did You Stop Liking Minecraft BESIDES COMBAT CHANGES?"

Key, in my opinion, is you are going to get out of Minecraft ONLY and EXACTLY what it is you bring into it. Does Grian cheat with the stuff he builds in creative? JeraCraft using WorldEdit and WorldPainter? No! Both bring creative talent to use Minecraft as a canvas. They are interesting to watch performing their craft on YouTube, and it appears they are having fun in their trade.

What about Logdotzip using player created maps and "Vanilla Mods"? Is that "cheating"? Nope... he's showcasing things others may enjoy as a change to the Vanilla game. Tyler Pappas (Logdotzip) keeps the game fresh for both himself and his audience. Mumbo Jumbo? Same. They bring their personal energy to Minecraft and it shows in the videos they are producing.

I host a Java Server and a Bedrock Realms server which my wife and a very few close friends play on. After doing this for several years and playing on servers before then, from my perspective what you get out of the game is what you bring into it. It isn't so much about available online info (though that can be a factor), using cheats (which can help or hurt, depending upon how they are used). Minecraft is a mirror of a player's mind and what they bring to the game.

Minecraft: Batteries Not Included! You have to bring your own.

I had never installed a Minecraft mod before a few days ago, and had some trouble getting OptiFine to work. So now I have a handy tip for newcomers. I don't know where else to put it, so I'll post it here.

Since no-one these days has Java installed, they can't just double-click on the .jar file to run it and let it install easily. However, since Minecraft has its own Java bundled in, you don't have to ruin your life by installing the full Java on your PC! Do this instead:

1. Use the Windows file explorer (Win+E) to navigate to where you installed Minecraft (find the "Minecraft Launcher" folder).
2. Go into the "runtime" subfolder, then the "jre-x64" subfolder or whatever it is, then the "bin" subfolder.
3. Press F4 to edit the path, wipe all that text, and just type cmd and press enter.
4. Now you'll have a command-line window whose current directory is already this "bin" folder.
5. To make things easy, copy the OptiFine jar you downloaded into this same "bin" folder.
6. In the cmd window, type java -jar OptiFine_1.14.4_HD_U_F2.jar (or whatever the exact filename is. Tip: after typing "opti" you can press tab to autocomplete). Instead of doing step 5, you could use the full path to wherever the jar is.

Now the mod should have installed itself successfully.

I have now tested my supposition that gold ingots from a desert temple is the way to go to get tools & armor.

I spawned near a village, as TheMasterCaver suggests that doesn't take much luck.

I stole a couple of beds and crafting tables, some torches and a little food.

It didn't take long to find a temple, collect half a stack of sand, pillar down from the gallery, punch a hole in the floor and pillar down to the treasure room, raid it and pillar back up in time to craft a golden pick and iron sword and sleep away the night.

I then found a cavern open to the surface and by the end of the second day I had full iron armor, water buckets, pickaxes and a stack and a half of dirt. (And a llama and lead from a careless wandering trader.)

I did have to kill a couple of skeletons and evade a couple of creepers.

I couple of days later I still don't have a stable food supply, those desert village farms sure are small.

And the farmers seem to mostly just stand around, until you make a move towards the farm, then they quickly start harvesting.

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Actually, food is no problem, I just didn't recognize it.

I didn't want to slaughter the villagers cows (or sheep or horses) but the villages are full of hay bales, so all I would have had to do is uncraft some hay bales and start breeding cows.

So, in conclusion, a buffet desert world is no problem, just flat and boring.

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Now a buffet desert hills world is likely to be a whole different matter, apparently neither villages nor temples generate there! (Though the teraign is a lot more interesting, I hope they eventually allow a real buffet world generation where one can pick several biomes.)

@huhuck How are you trying to install it? The vanilla way with a profile like Optifine or as a mod with Forge or Fabric? Can't really help without knowing which modloader or what version of Minecraft your using can we now.

Is ItemBound abandoned?

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What is Optifine's email or source of contact?

https://www.optifine.net/contact

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I don't need to. It's a choice.

Okay, bad choice of wording, but why do you want to?

As far as some quasi survival/creative mode. The only thing you have to do in survival is get food, and depending on your difficulty setting, that is not even true. So is it really a true survival game? My kids when playing by themselves, use survival as a challenging creative map.

You're getting caught up in wording. One of the modes is essentially "Playing a Game Mode", the other is "Infinite Resources Mode". Why does some hybrid mode need to be available through some unforeseen use of the fishing system?

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You may want to read who I was replying to because my post had nothing to do with AFK fishing.

Understood, and I will testify to my terrible reading skills, thank you for correcting me.

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"fishing in a game mechanic pretty much sucks in most games,"

This is very true. Like most of the popular fishing games of all time, involve you in an underwater view watching yourself reeling in the lure, and seeing the fish as you do. I mean, really? WoW fishing is ok in the sense you never know exactly what you are going to get and you really have to hunt for the good stuff, but that's pools of water. Lack of fishing freedom. FFXV fishing was cool because of the fishing upgrades to catch big game fish, and the fact it fit in the cooking buff system along with time of day fish. But on a whole, lacked freedom and hid behind a linear path game system. The only decent fishing is fishing sims, and they still have many flaws.

I think if (Opinion here) MC added variety (of catchable fish), it would further nerf drops in afk farms and add a (little) bit of spice to actual fishing. Again this is clearly opinion because there are people who do not touch fishing period so adding more does nothing for them.

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For people who *do* enjoy fishing, such as my wife, how could fishing as a game mechanic be made compelling for people like my wife, and done so that AFK fishing doesn't make sense? If you can solve, "make fishing not suck," I think you'd solve the "remove AFK fishing" problem.

I love fishing in RL and I do dig most of the fishing in MC. In fact it is my prefered food in MC. Sometimes I do fantasize about how I wish there were fish traps, river nets, ocean nets, and deep water throw lines, so I could go off and do other things while waiting for food, but it is not implemented, and probably never will be. In a real scenario finding water then food to start with, then worry about shelter and then scout. It is a little backwards here. It's make sure I have wood and a shelter, then find food and I do not need water except in my case to catch my food. For the fishing here to not "suck," it will never happen because it's all based on opinion. It can never be agreed upon.

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On the flip side not every program needs to be 64bit.
It always comes down to what the program is meant for and how much memory they use.

This is the reason why the Raspberry Pi computers with 1gb of RAM are able to handle Minecraft.
Not the best, but gets the job done as an introduction to Minecraft for users on a budget.

and Mojang had Minecraft running on the 3DS.

and the New 3DS only had 256mb of RAM, that's less than what the Xbox 360 had.

https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/New_Nintendo_3DS_Edition

From what I've seen, Mojang recently increased the default memory allocation to 2 GB (since 1.13 I believe), while 32 bit Java can only allocate a bit over 1 GB, and even that can cause issues (I've gotten a "Minecraft has run out of memory" screen with 1 GB allocated, despite F3 showing plenty of free memory (on the Java heap) - this is because the 32 bit process space was exhausted since the game uses memory outside of the Java heap, including for the JVM itself and native code like OpenGL. Indeed, this was preceded by several OpenGL 1285 errors (out of memory) in the log).

This is also what I mean by 32 bit possibly not being able to run 1.14; this was from a crash report from a crash that happened as the game was loading, without any world loaded, which will need more memory:

Memory: 1160703064 bytes (1106 MB) / 1509949440 bytes (1440 MB) up to 2147483648 bytes (2048 MB)

https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/support/java-edition-support/2959980-the-game-crashed-whilst-initializing-game

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Wow, I didn't know people could be this ignorant.

Congratulations, you've won the ad hominem award!

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Wow, I didn't know people could be this ignorant. You even just resorted to looking for a reddit post where someone found a extremely rare enchanted book to try and prove all of AFK fishing is way to OP. That book is only possible with the best of the best luck and circumstances.

Please check the attachment below to see what I just got out of a night of AFK fishing.

I already have the best fishing rod, so half of the slots are now being taken up by worthless fishing rods I don't need. Same goes with the bows.

Saddles? Junk. I don't need one right now and I don't need the 10 I get from AFK fishing every night.

Leather boots? Lillypads? Bones? Hooks? Nametags? Bottles? Cownfish? Rottenflesh.

Worthless. I already have the couple name tags I need and you don't need them very often.

I went over the books and most of them had worthless enchantments. I only took a efficiency 4 book from that entire chest. The rest of the seven hours was thrown away. The reason I have that broken fishing rod in my hotbar is because I accidentally pulled it out of the chest, so I am not lying when I say I only could salvage one thing from all of that.

That is 1/54 slots of useful items. I often search through multiple chests and only find a mending book every couple days or so.

Nowhere do I see diamond blocks, fully enchanted diamond gear, fully enchanted books, stacks of wood..

Just none of that.

Also, AFK fishing was completely intentional. No way the Devs would actually expect someone to stand at a war hole for 9 hours and manually fish in hopes for a rare book.

Even one free useful enchantment book is overpowered. Also, could you show us what those other enchantment books were? Most of us would probably find a lot of those useful in some way.

Enchantment probabilities are the same as a level-30 enchantment on an enchantment table, but the chance of multiple enchantments is not reduced. These can also include treasure enchantments that are unavailable via an enchantment table.

Source: https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Fishing#cite_note-EnchantedBooks-3

You're right that they aren't giving you diamonds, but they are giving you enchantments, which are supposed to be valuable upgrades to your armor/tools/weapons.

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Also, AFK fishing was completely intentional. No way the Devs would actually expect someone to stand at a war hole for 9 hours and manually fish in hopes for a rare book.

Was that intended to be sarcastic? I'm not sure.

Yes, the developers made this feature intending that players would make sketchy contraptions to fish for them. Why would the developers design something to be balanced only when you aren't playing the game? Oh right, they didn't.

I've fished up rare books before, and I've never used an AFK fish farm. It's supposed to be rare. No feature should encourage the player to not play the game, and no feature should give players an advantage for being able to leave their computers on all night.