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I really do think saddles should have a crafting recipe, but complaining for it isn't the answer. People wanted craftable saddles for a long time, people just started complaining because a really good use was added for them. I guess, to me at least, it would just make sense to be able to craft saddles with leather and other materials.

You have to rename them as baby villagers.

Something recently came up to me, and that was that someone said that complaining is the only way to get Mojang to change their minds and change a feature. I, of course, thought that was total BS because he used false examples with no proof, was a hypocrite, upon other things defending complaining on the forums. I, myself, think that well written posts will be much more persuasive than complaining about something. But I am I wrong? Should I complain about everything that was added that I don't like and complain about what hasn't been added with constant insults and threats? I HIGHLY doubt it, and think that just stating your opinions is better that "TIS SUX, CHANG IT NAO" in getting something actually changed. But I want to hear from the community. Is the person defending mindlessly complaings, that I passed as being an idiot, actually right? Again, doubt it.

Some A LOT of people tend to think that the snapshots are updates in themselves, and should ALWAYS have a lot of content with each one. They are more like betas than demos, they have inevitable bugs that are to be found and fixed. Really, they don't even NEED to let the community have access to snapshots, things could work nearly as well with a small chosen group of people to play it to find any bugs and whatnot. It actually was quite generous of them to make snapshots easier to be downloaded. Instead of bashing on snapshots because of how little features it has or how many bugs it has, just play it if you want to. If you don't want to update your snapshots every now and then, then just play the current update of Minecraft and wait till the full release.

I just made this post to tell people they are NOT entitled to snapshots and they are not exposed to supports mods w/o them updating, if you the mods then they will have to update with the snapshots, or update when the new update is released.

I DO want craftable saddles, yes, but we do not NEED them.

Actually it is not a mob at all. It is Grum's skin. He is one of the Mojang employees.

*Sigh* This is going to be a long one...

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Horses were added in one of the recent snapshots and I find the feature to be a cheap shot, trying to satisfy the community of minecraft Not really, all the features are just because Mojang decided it would be a good feature to Minecraft. Your argument could be used against all features in Minecraft. Horses doesn't fit into minecraft Matter of opinion. I, personally, don't think hoppers fit into Minecraft, but I still know it is a good feature for others even though I do not like it. and should therefore be removed from minecraft as soon as possible. Obviously, like all other ranters about new features. I DON'T LIKE SAID FEATURE, THEREFOR IT SHOULD BE REMOVED ASAP. I would rather like minecraft to take it's own path, than letting it transform into another stereotype RPG game. Obviously, horses = RPG non-Minecraft game. Not that sword fighting, trading, adventure, building, magic, etc, etc is related to RPG games and is completely original to Minecraft. Minecraft can take its own path instead of this one, and that's what I want. Key words are right there. That is what YOU want. Remember, your opinions are not facts. Not to completely stop updating. People use that argument way to much and it doesn't make any sence, so just stop it. Well, your right about one thing. That argument is way over used and used against the wrong arguments. Also, sense*

They make exploring way better. (invalid arguement)
The gameplay of riding horses can be found in so many different games and minecraft shouldn't be one of them.There we go again. Horses OBVIOUSLY is the only thing Minecraft can add that is unoriginal. Other gameplay of other features can be found in so many different games. One of the gameplays in minecraft is exploring and adding the ultimate tool for that only takes the fun part away from it. I don't even understand that sentence. The ultimate tool? All horses do is speed up your movement speed, make you jump higher, and you don't lose as much hunger because you don't have to run. Horses are not a "win" button for exploration. The jump power of the horse is also a major problem. I know that horses can jump high, but the jump height of the horse is just OP. You're only suppose to jump one block high in minecraft and a little more if you create a beacon. Jumping more than 4 blocks, everywhere you want, is just bonkers. Because obviously jumping higher is game breaking. We want you to have to BUILD that dirt pillar! Without having to go through that challenge, Minecraft is nothing! Exploring is made to be easy, it's made to be hard. With horses it's more than just easy. Even before horses, the only place that is "hard" to explore is the Nether, and who would take a horse there? A single slip into lava then you will not only lose your items but also your horse. It's more like walking around and looking at your surroundings, which is not what exploring is really about. The "fun" in exploring is getting from point A to B, and not by jumping in a peaceful straight line. THAT, my friend, is not exploring. It is not about from A to B, it is from point A to uncharted areas, then ending your adventure right back at point A. The challenge itself is the fun part. Like I said, even before horses there wasn't really a challenge in exploring.

They're good for transportation. (They are, but...)
We already have the nether, which also have the purpose of transportation. OBJECTION! The Nether is a whole new dimension, not just a mere travel station. If you don't like using the nether, then use a minecart. I enjoy using both, even after horses. Both of these will be broken, once horses is added. OBJECTION! The Nether's unique feature of 1 Nether block is equal to 8 Overworld blocks can never be replaced. Also, minecarts, when going at full speed, are faster than horses. Combine the two for the fastest Minecraft transportation possible. Sure you can use the work from building the minecart tracks into making a safe way for horses, but still, minecraft are better than horses. They just need more materials than horses. I know it might take a little longer, but if it's time you think about, then Use the nether, because it's way faster. Horses is 4 times faster than walking speed, and the nether is 16 times faster, plus you can use minecarts in the nether. Not really. The Nether is very.. ehh... terrain-y. Unless you make a tunnel of safety, Overworld horses are faster. And if you really want to ride something, then take the pig. HOLD THE PHONE! Do you smell that? It is hypocrisy. You are using the same argument as "It is only optional (Also, your title for the next paragraph)" but in a different word choice, which you consider "invalid". Thus, YOUR reason is invalid. Also, riding pigs were for for fun than actually travel. They are the ones who owns the saddle, not horses. It is not the pig nor the horse who own that saddle upon their back, but the player.

If you don't like horses, then don't use them. (invalid arguement)
Ok, you are right about one thing. The "It is option" argument IS invalid. A bad feature being option doesn't make it good, but it certainly does help. I find that argument invalid, since the horses is not a single player only feature. Any and all features should be available for both SP and MP. As a matter of fact, it would be harder to make it single player only because of the merge. Horses would be added ti multiplayer servers too. Exploring on big servers is already on the edge to impossible when it comes to exploring. Exploration is not really a group effort, it is a player effort. Plus, on server that have been on for a while, the map has been explored to the point where you already have to travel some thousand of blocks to reach unexplored areas. Adding horses would destroy it for ever, making the map sizes on multiplayer servers only more gigantic if you want to explore even further than the other players. Most server already are well explored and pretty infinite, so....

They don't affect singleplayer and small servers at all if you don't use them. (Not true)
They barely affects ANY server if people don't use them. Apart from riding (Their use), they can be killed for some leather, and that is it. adding horses can't get any more unoriginal. OH BOY, this unoriginal crap again. Fun fact: Did you know that Minecraft wasn't the first game were you could customize the entire world with your own hands? There's already a ton og RPG games with horses and don't let minecraft blend into them. There are also tons of RPG game with: Exploration, combat, undead, magic, building, crafting, trading, pets, guards, iconic monsters, multiple dimentions, farming, fishing, music, mining, wood cutting, modding, etc. Minecraft have been developing all on its own so long and that's what gave minecraft the success that other games didn't get. What does this have to do with the title of this paragraph? And even if it doesn't affect my minecraft servers, I would still rather have something way cooler. Oh boy! The argument that each feature that one doesn't like could of been replaced with a feature that is better! In all seriousness, every feature could of been replaced with a better feature. But hey, one feature at a time. This feels like the first step in a path that is based off what the most people say they want to the game. Mojang, listening to their fans? NO!!!! Just because people say the want it, doesn't mean it fit better into the game. Right back at ya. Just people you don't want horses, doesn't mean we would be better without them. A lot of people also love the mutant mobs mods, but it would be a gamebreaker. Because MOJANG doesn't think that would fit. It is mainly about how they think is best for the game. They do listen to their community, however they are not slaves to them.

Why again are you supporting the idea of horses?
How I see it, horses don't add any new gameplay, Neither did flower bots, colored wool, squid, etc. I'm not going to make another list. but only takes the original gameplay away. Yes, horses have been added, so the things that made Minecraft what it is is no longer there. Mining is gone, so it exploration, craft. Building? Also gone, because of horses. /sarcasm So why are people still supporting horses? So why are people still against horses?

Jeb_ added them, stop complaining (invalid arguement)
I think one of the reasons people like the horses, is because Jeb_ added them. Now, don't get me wrong, because I love minecraft the way Jeb_ have made it, but simply because Jeb_ added the horses doesn't make me a supporter. I like what Jeb_ make, not because I think Jeb_ is awesome (He is awesome), but because I think his work is awesome. Now, stop supporting him by protecting every feature he implents. It doesn't matter who added them, they don't fit into minecraft. I do believe that horses fit into Minecraft. And I will agree with you on that I personally do not like the suck-ups, no matter who they are sucking up to.

Because I like horses (Lame)
Why are you against horses? "Because I don't like that." (Lame reason)
As I said ealier, there are other games with horses and way greater horse gameplay than minecraft. Again with the other games! In reality, most people don't give a crap what in another game, as long as it would be good that this game! MInecraft can't compete on the gameplay of horses and horses doesn't even belong or fit into minecraft. Wait, what teh fudge? WHO the heck is Minecraft competeng against? Wait, I think I got your logic. If two games have a slightly similar feature, they are competing. So that would mean that Runescape and Skyrim are competing with each other because they both are medieval. Also CoD and TF2, Deadspace and Halo, and others are competing with each other.

I'll make a list of people who doesn't read the entire post before commenting, so everyone can see how many percentage of the people actually read before commenting.

Still waiting on that list.

tl:dr
Half your arguments are invalid, the other half are false accusation or opinions.

In case anyone was misled by my previous post, I DO support craftable saddles. However, the way this guy made his post is utter crap. Constant insult to Mojang/Jeb along with writing each post completely horribly.

Instead of going on about the negative effects of non-craftable saddles, why don't you instead go on about how having craftable saddles will have a positive effect? You are bond to get more support that way.

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Where do I look to find diamonds?
I have been mining underground, but had no luck in finding any, and in it's place I found iron ore.

Corrected like a sir.

I've seen plenty of posts around the forums about how saddles should remain uncraftable.
The two main reasons I see are that it makes horses more balanced and it forces people to explore.
I have to disagree.


In regards to exploration, we already have to do that in numerous situations.
Exploring caves to get ores, exploring the overworld to find various resources and the right place to build, finding Nether fortresses so we can brew, filling up maps, finding villages, and finding strongholds and the End portal are all examples.
However, people argue this is not enough.

The argument I've seen is that the prospect of treasure will encourage exploration.
However, when I think "hidden ancient treasure in a ruins deep in a cave guarded by hordes of undead" I don't think of slabs of leather, I think more of gems, and ancient weapons and artifacts.
Saddles don't even produce the effect that people argue it supposedly creates.
From experience, I've found that a portion of nearly every chest is devoted to saddles.
A player only needs a few saddles.
When a player has a few saddles, or when a player has found a village that sells saddles, they no longer will need to explore and find chests, and if they do, they'll be receiving worse loot than if there was something other than saddles in the chests.
Saddles become useless loot, just like the string or gunpowder in those chests.
I'm certainly not going to go try to find chests when all it's going to be filled with is saddles and useless items.
I'd certainly rather just craft a saddle when I need it rather than waste storage space for those things.

Saddles do not make the chests more desirable.
If they want to make players want to find chests, they need to remove the useless stuff like bread, wheat, gunpowder, and string, and make getting valuable items like diamonds and high-level enchantment books from them more likely; that would surely make dungeon loot more desirable.
Unique weapons or equipment would definitely make them more desirable.

Even if saddles were a desirable item from chests, saddles already are obtainable through other means.
You can get it from a villager for a number of emeralds.
You can get it through fishing, which requires no exploration, just sticks and string, and a water source to fish in.
I would find it best to remove a few of these means of obtaining saddles(natural chests, fishing) and just make saddles craftable.


In regards to balance, people say that horses are a great transportation system, so saddles should stay uncraftable.
Alright, I can agree that they are a great transportation system.
They are fast, and they allow free movement, unlike railroads where you are stuck to the paths.
However, even with uncraftable saddles, it is easy to get them due to the frequency of generated chests and due to fishing(requiring absolutely nothing but sticks and string) and villager trades.
A lucky person can get a saddle before they even get iron or leather by spawning near a dungeon, a village, or other generated structures(or by fishing a lot).
Removing them all from chests and making them craftable would save storage space, allow for better dungeon loot(better fishing loot, too, by removing them from the fishing treasure list), and hardly change the difficulty of obtaining a horse.

Horses aren't the end-game transportation anyway, nor should they be treated like they are.
Railroads are far later-game than horses due to the resource and time costs for them.
Uncraftable saddles don't make it harder to get a horse than get a railroad.
You can pretty much accidentally get everything you need for a horse; randomly coming upon a dungeon, getting you a saddle, and managing to find a horse while exploring or even spawning near horses when starting a world.
Railroads require a fair amount of mining to make the rails, and they require construction for the actual roads.
What should be done is that railroads should get a large buff to make them superior to horses, to make them worth the time.
Even without the buff, as I mentioned just before, craftable saddles would hardly make it easier to obtain saddles, especially if they were removed from all chests and the fishing treasure list and replaced with good loot.


Other reasons I believe saddles should be craftable:

- Villagers can craft them, and villagers don't do anything but sit around their houses all day. You explore ancient ruins and different dimensions, build giant structures, and kill and craft all sorts of things, and yet you can't craft a saddle.

- They are just pieces of leather. You can create much more complex things such as cake, pistons, and dispensers, but a simple slab of leather can't be crafted for some reason.
Heck, you can create armor out of leather, making saddle uncraftability even less sensible.
(I've heard music disc craftability been mentioned in relation to this; we don't have the materials to make music discs, and we don't have music to record onto blank music disks.)

- The Mo' Creatures mod, which the horses were based on, had craftable saddles AND horse armor.(To be honest, I think it's kinda stupid that horse armor isn't craftable either. Infinite horses, infinite saddles, but no infinite armor. Just make it break like regular armor and then it would be perfectly acceptable to make it craftable.)

-- We have made it into Minecraft 1.7! --

My main goal with this post was to make the community interested in more biomes so that Mojang would prioritise that aspect in their busy schedules. And it seems we have finally made it happen! Additionally we also got 2 of my suggestions into the game, which of course is fantastic.

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Blossom Grove

Now put down your guard and enjoy the moonlight in this mob free but oh so rare environment. Unfortunately, the underground isn't as peaceful. If you are lucky you will also encounter a deserted old vineyard for some delicious grapes. This rare fruit replenish only 0,5 hunger each, but they are all eaten at the same time, making it the quickest but most expensive food source.

Rumours say the farmers have noticed crops grow faster.



Old version:

Oasis
Take your horse and embark on a journey to discover the Orient. These warm and barren deserts might contain a scarce amount of watering wholes, a common place to find various merchants with donkeys full of goods to trade. Make sure to have your wallet full, for these rare goods cannot be acquired elsewhere.




Fungi Biome
The luminescent mushrooms proves to be a perfect, yet mystique light source in the deep caves of the underworld. Rumours speak about small glowing angler-fishes that thrive in nearby underground lakes.

Thanks to Hansentale for the inspiration.




Tropical Islands
Palm trees grow on the beaches of these plant rich atoll islands located on the great oceans. Breaking palm leaves spawn coco nuts, which are an essential food source out here.




Savannah - IMPLEMENTED IN 1.7
In the never ending terrain of the African wilderness, animals thrive in the shadows of the acacia trees. Clay is commonly found in nearby watering holes.




Wild West desert - IMPLEMENTED IN 1.7
This arid landscape consists of a new reddish stone, and a new matching sandblock*. Lone wanderers need to watch out for the vultures, for they will attack any trespasser carrying raw meet.


*)The sandblock is not present in this screenshot since it's very time consuming covering the grounds.


Autumn forest biome
A colourful forest arises as you continue your exploration. No one in these woods will ever starve, as the ripest apples fall from the trees and the ground is covered by mushrooms galore!




Frost biome
A cold breeze caught the landscape by surprise, which immediately froze the tiniest straw of grass. Make sure you wear some armour, or you will soon be history.




Darklands

The sky darkens as you enter this gloomy realm. A great challenge awaits the one who seek to face the death. Now grab your diamond equipment, you will need it.

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"So, I was mining today and stumbled upon beautiful natural glowing crystals in an underground ravine!"


"...Then I investigated a red glow I could see creeping through a tunnel shaft and found myself in the middle of a zombie hive! o__O"



Well, those are some of the things we could be saying if colored glass and colored light were added to MC!
(images above are not real screenshots. They were Photoshopped by me to show what MC could be like if this topic's proposals were implemented)

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[NOTE]Colored light and glass is something I believe all minecrafters should be able to enjoy with each other without the midleman or knowledge of mod installing. So for that reason, this suggestion is directed towards vanilla. We do however welcome mods here since it's said that "Colored light isn't possible." -_^

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Here is how it could work:

Color Glass Blocks & Changing The Color of Light


Colored Glass and Colored Light are features I have wanted to see in Minecraft for some time. I wanted to see these features implemented so bad that I have come up with some ways it could be used in the game; it would greatly increase building potential and the ability for a player to customize an atmosphere by modifying the color of light. Based on my knowledge working in the game industry as an indiegame digital artist, I know that the impact something like colored glass and light would have on minecraft would be more important than most people know. In fact, it may even be safe to say that even Mojang underestimates the aesthetic importance of colored light and being able to manipulate it.
Here is a little diagram that briefly explains my proposition:





Here is a colored light mod that CptSpaceToster in a video spotlight! check it out! (ehem you too mojang -_^) colored light IS possible and it IS necessary this video shows that:



Here is a different crafting recipe that was originally suggested by ChadGarion25. It is fantastic and gives cauldrons an actual use.



Tell me what you guys think

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Cool Ideas by you guys -_^:

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Guy, I'm sorry, but this ain't good for you...

People are A:creatures of habit, and B:Not going to change because of point A

I personally veiw Snapshots as said "Mini Up-Dates" becasue its adding somehing to the game. I considers to UPDATE my game, hence changng it so it is different, hence adding new features.

If you don't like people doing this, why do you critisize them? Tehy beleive things differently then you do. Tehy arnt going to chnage just because you tell them to. Sorry Hun.

THE PIG HAS SPOKEN, AND THE PIG IS LAW!! xD

Then by that philosophy, I shall consider your post a mini-update, and conclude that your lack of proofreading or effort at grammar marks you as being too lazy to fix any of your own work. Therefore I should just complain about your bugs because you released your post with so many bugs.
But we wouldn't want you to feel bad over receiving such blind criticism, now, would we?

Snapshots are entirely optional. If you prefer a more complete gameplay experience right now, then feel free to play 1.6.4 and enjoy the feel of an actual game update. With snapshots you take the chance of experiencing game-breaking bugs. There is no guarantee of them not happening. Treating Mojang with complaints because you feel snapshots should run better is very selfish on your part, and rather unrealistic thinking. They don't have to share these snapshots, as by now they have enough of their own crew for troubleshooting and bug-fixes to watch out and take care of such things. These snapshots are a gift to help players experience new game content that would otherwise be out of our hands for what could be up to half a year or more. Heck, Mojang really doesn't have to be putting new content in as they have more than enough now to consider a full game and they can just devote their energy to their other new IP's. They do these updates because it is still fun for them, and they appreciate keeping the game fresh for long time players such as myself. So it might be worth it upon yourself to show some appreciation, and respect the work they are doing instead of acting so self-entitled. It doesn't serve you or those around you with any benefits.

I'm an OLDER player. I'm probably one of the OLDEST players, period. I can enjoy playing with pretty much anyone, of any age, HOWEVER, what I DON'T tolerate, is playing with immature people.
For me, Minecraft multiplayer is about community and should be built upon a foundation of mutual respect and trust.
You do NOT go onto a server and do things like setting someone's house on fire for fun. Or intrude your build into someone elses space. You don't steal stuff from other people. You should treat other people's builds and their posessions as you would have them treat yours. Pranks are ok as long as they're non-destructive, non-malicious, and you leave a sign saying who the prank is from. You don't bully other players.
(This all goes out the door on a PVP server, but I don't play on those).
I think the key is that I get much more enjoyment out of playing with a community of players who are NICE to each other. and work together. I love to other people's builds and ideas and I love sharing my stuff with a community who feels the same way. The minute that someone of any age goes against ANY of these ideals, they have lost the privilege of having anything to do with me.
This also goes for revenge stuff. I've seen so many stories of "The Op dissed me so I logged back in under a different account and crashed his server or did something bad to his house or his stuff" that it makes me sick. This is SO immature. If you have a problem with an op, just don't go back there any more. Why take that extra effort? It's just not worth it when you could be hopping onto another server that would probably be more glad to have you and your builds.

So. Bottom line. If you are nice to people. Respect them and their builds. Respect the community as a whole, Respect people's build space, and aren't a whiner and complainer, tantrum thrower, you can be of any age and play on a server with me.

People certainly matter to themselves.

If someone wanted to solve overpopulation by reducing the current population, I would suggest that he start with himself.