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Alpha 3 (aka A3) for 1.8.9 is expected in a month or two.

According to the current developer parts of the old code is 99% impossible to understand so making it open source would not help without Kinnikens support.

1.8.9 is a total rewrite...

Well it is his mod so he can say/think/do whatever he feels like ofc.

But I think his reason is/was mostly that he was afraid the mod might be changed in a way that deviate a lot from the original theme/mood/idea/...

If you read the forum at millenaire.org you will notice that some players, like me, love the pve, trade, building, discover and questing part, and there are others that only talk about pvp, raids, fighting. And I think that is exactly what Kinniken wanted to avoid. He wanted a balance.

Yes, we all want an 1.10.2 version and later an 1.11.x version etc.

But rewriting Millenaire 1.7.10 into 1.8.9 is the very important first step. Its a HUGE step where a lot of stuff has to be rewritten and changed.

Once there is a 1.8.9 version its much easier to port that to 1.10.2 and future versions. It might even be possible to have Millenaire up to date for many different MC versions at the same time. Other mods can.

sorry, cannot tell you exactly what the problem is.

I remember having this problem years ago and in my very fuzzy memory I think I recall a few things:

- total CPU-load to high for java and/or MC

- a problem between the client and the server (regardless if it is a separate server or just the stand alone server)

- I think they changed something in this area in Forge in some version but you have the latest forge so it cannot be that.

- it gets a lot worse if you have raids/bandits active (I usually turn those off)

- I also remember limiting the number a chunks loaded.

I notice you have a lot of mods installed and it could be some missmatch, there are/was some known incompatibles.

And Millenaire is a very very old mod and according to the current developer that is helping to port it to 1.8 its miracle that it even runs at all. The integration with MC and Forge is extremely fragile/dated.

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What.

I can't believe this mod is still alive. Hopefully there's a new release soon? Thiswas one of my go-to mods back in Beta

Kinniken has gotten help from another mod developer and as far as I know they are still working on the update to 1.8.9
I haven't seen any news the last few weeks but the he said he was going to focus on updating instead of reading forums etc.
Time will tell.

Well I'm running 1.7.10 with lots of mods including Millenaire (6.0.0) , Buildcraft, TC, magic Crops, etc.

And I'm using the latest Forge for 1.7.10. (1614).

But I'm using the Curse Client with the Minecraft module to keep track of the installation and updating most of the mods.

The mods that are not handled by Curse I'v added manually (no installer). Millenaire is one of the manually added mods.

I just unzip the files and put the two millenaire folders and the millneaire.jar file into the /mods folder and thats that. Don't use the installer from millenarie.org, its old.

How I do it manually (without Curse):

- install a fresh copy of Minecraft

- start Minecraft and create a world (just to make sure everything is ok so far)

- download and install Forge 1614

- start Minecraft again select correct profile and create another world (to test and create /mods folder etc)

- manually add mods to /mods

- Sometimes I just add a few at a time; start, test, add more etc. until I have a the mods I want.

Tip: After starting Minecraft there should be a millenaire.log (or was it a millenaire.txt?) file in the /mods/millenaire/ folder. If you don't see that file the mods hasn'r been installed correctly I think.

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The dev is currently looking for someone to update it for him.

The dev has found someone to help him update to 1.8.9.
Its a dev that has finished his own mod for 1.8.9 so lets hope he can do the same magic with Millenaire.
I'm standing by ready to help alfa/beta-test if/when needed.

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I am not rushing, I am just curious about if there will be any new features that will be on this mod if it comes up for 1.8.9. When I played this on 1.7.10, I find the towns work better on flatlands better so that the villagers can build better. Why doesn't the villagers build all the buildings on the list that is on the building board thing? I am just curious so I know why certain thing act the way they do in the game.

The author of the mod, Kinniken, has had a very tight schedule the last few years and have had very little time to support Millenaire.
I think he started the update to 1.8 last April but had no time to finish.
A few weeks ago Kinniken asked for help and at least one experienced mod creator has gotten in contact with Kinniken and started looking into the code.
Millenaire is kind of old and huge and trying to update/rewrite for 1.8.x is a huge undertaking even for an experienced mod creator.
So don't expect any new features in the first few releases for 1.8.9.
Given time, space and resources all villages will eventually build all buildings on the project panel plan. There are a few bugs that sometimes stop the progress but they are sort of random. I have at least 5 villages in my current world that has built everything and two others are almost finished.
Important here is "space" - increase useful space by flattening some land (dark on the village map) and fill in lakes and rivers with dirt. One layer with dirt is often enough to make the land useful for new buildings.
And before I forget there are two bugs that might stop the progress, one is a Hindu village that needs a statue and one Norman that wants a painting.
These problems can be solved by adding buying price to the item list for each village/culture and the find a village that actually craft and sell these items.

Regarding non vanilla biomes...
I think there is some kind of registry/list in forge where different biomes can register their base type.
This makes it a lot easier for mods to know, e.g. when to spawn and not.
I think Mo'Creatures uses this list to spawn mobs in the right environment as long as they are of base type and registered.

Why I say this: I want the ZombieFarmers in more biomes ofc

Some points I feel everyone should consider regarding alternatives:

First and the most obvious should be that these alternatives are all new. RedPower was new once also, in fact it wasn't even called RedPower it was called Integrated Redstone. If you are expecting other mods to immediately surpass RedPower then you are expecting pigs to fly. The authors of these alternatives need time to improve their mods. However they need something else as well...

FEEDBACK, each of ya'll who refuse to step out from under Eloraam's shadows and try the alternatives is one less player able to provide suggestions and bug reports for these mods. They are missing a feature or something is too easy? Well deciding not to use that mod isn't going to help anything, give your honest feedback to the authors, keep trying their updates, let them know when they have nailed something and when they have not. They don't have to agree with you, and most will probably disagree with the majority of opinions thrown at them, but one thing is certain, if you don't speak up they will never hear you in the first place.

"But Eloraam had a perfect vision, I never had to suggest anything, it was all just so perfect." Ok well, time to join the working class who doesn't always get what they want out of a box, buck up and give back to the community with your input.

As for this complaint I keep seeing going around "Oh no, the alternatives require multiple mods! I don't like that! Nothing can replace RedPower!" that is utter and complete rubbish. There is no reason that mods from multiple authors cannot integrate just as well as a single mod provided they have an API. In the corner cases where an API cannot cover something often authors will assist each other in adding specific support between certain features in their mods. Bottom line is if it is something that will improve the experience for end users then the authors will probably be right on top of that.

There are loads of disadvantages to a single mod however. It makes it harder to keep updated unless you have a team working on it. Updates can be slower also. With multiple mods under multiple authors one author can update their mod due to bugs while the others focus on new features for instance. It is like having a team but each member is focused on one aspect they really love rather than being spread around trying to make changes all over the place.

It increases bugs, when you have one big mod, one bug can take the entire thing out and take forever to find. When you have multiple mods and have a bug that one part is taken out and is much easier to isolate and fix.

Multiple mods make features optional, love wires but have no need for frames then just install Redlogic by Immibis. Like frames but hate redstone, Redstone in Motion by Jakj. Want both things? Then install both, they work wonderfully together too.

Speaking of multiple mods, RedPower 2 comes as a set of mods, 4 specifically now and 7 in the previous version. I don't recall this being a problem to anyone.

The bottom line is, those of you who refuse to use anything but RedPower, who have already waited a year for anything of substance to come from the author, you will probably continue this wait for a long long time to come. There are people who still insist vacuum tubes are superior to silicon transistors. There will always be those of you who refuse to try anything new and to allow yourself to enjoy it.

Those of you who are sick of the waiting and want to have fun with the tons of new stuff coming out weekly, I mean have you seen some of this stuff? It is amazing! Give the alternatives an honest try and let the authors know what you think. The alternatives are out there, they are seedlings, whether or not they grow into what RedPower was a year ago will depend on many factors and one of those factors is you (yes it is ok, point to yourself right now, go ahead it is ok) yes you are a factor in what happens in the future.

It is by your voices alone that the future of Minecraft modding will have an idea of what is needed, what is wanted, and what people simply cannot stand.

Regardless of your chosen path I wish you all the best of luck and happiness because in the end that is all this is about.

Edit to add:

I've also seen some people make the argument there is no reason to upgrade past 1.4.7 citing horses as the only benefit in doing so. Here are 300+ reasons to at least consider it: http://bot.notenoughmods.com/1.6.4.html

Additionally:
1.5.x saw 137 bug fixes to Minecraft and
1.6.x saw 128 additional bug fixes!

Not to mention a number of improvements such as the drag crafting and lava that no longer gets stuck when the source block is removed. Charcoal with its own texture, it's all the little things that add up over time. There has been so much going on since 1.4.7.

Just going to throw my two cents here about the thread-

This thread is meant to be a place of discussion about the Project:Red mod and what it is trying to do to replace Redpower. It is NOT, however, meant to the battleground of a flame war between potential mod users and the mod author. The author may do whatever he would like with the mod because it is his own code. If he wants to put in hours upon hours of more time developing the mod to a point where it is deemed playable, then he gets to decide how he wants to manage it. Not all of the folks from the Redpower thread who want to manipulate the mod author so the mod can turn out the way they want it and not him.

I would suggest that the folks who want to actually help development do so in the one way they can- spread the word about the mod, and wait for a release in the meantime. For those who know how to code, help out the mod author and submit pull requests to enhance the mod. Community involvement in a POSITIVE way is key to making this mod become a true Redpower replacement.

Now, either be supportive/helpful or leave the discussion. The choice is entirely yours

I personally cannot wait for how the mod will turn out.