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Quote from C1ff»

I can kinda relate to this since I'm a bit of a n00b even after four-ish years of playing the game, mostly because I do a lot of stupid stuff like jumping into a group of monsters thinking I can kill them all.

That being said, I think I'm the exception to the rule. I also find that people who think the game should be easier tend to say it's too hard for their kids. That's fair since Normal and Hard exist to make the game harder, so why shouldn't Easy be easy enough for the lowest age demographic the game appeals to, namely 10-year-olds?

Alright so what about these changes?

Eh... Maybe on its own, but I wouldn't do that in addition to all the other additions.

Seems reasonable.

Agreed.

Hmmm maybe? I haven't had a lot of experience with drowned yet, but I do think the fact they spawn in any water with a light level of 7 sounds annoying.

Again, haven't had a lot of experience with these guys yet so I'll have to take your word for it.

Food depletion in general is kinda ridiculous, so you're not alone on this one.

Now, in defense of Minecraft as it currently stands, I don't think even in Easy mode monsters should be incompetent. But I do think they do deserve a little bit of a nerf.

Mostly Support.

I agree 95% with this response. The only reason I do not 100%, is I have dealt with the drowned a lot, and I can see the viewpoint you may have with this. I have witnessed my daughter get slaughtered over and over with these things.

As said, nerf, not incompetent. I personally cannot test to the difficulty of easy because I started out on normal, and have played hard for years. I do see a lot of what you said though through my kids.

Quote from Romaq»

"fishing in a game mechanic pretty much sucks in most games,"

This is very true. Like most of the popular fishing games of all time, involve you in an underwater view watching yourself reeling in the lure, and seeing the fish as you do. I mean, really? WoW fishing is ok in the sense you never know exactly what you are going to get and you really have to hunt for the good stuff, but that's pools of water. Lack of fishing freedom. FFXV fishing was cool because of the fishing upgrades to catch big game fish, and the fact it fit in the cooking buff system along with time of day fish. But on a whole, lacked freedom and hid behind a linear path game system. The only decent fishing is fishing sims, and they still have many flaws.

I think if (Opinion here) MC added variety (of catchable fish), it would further nerf drops in afk farms and add a (little) bit of spice to actual fishing. Again this is clearly opinion because there are people who do not touch fishing period so adding more does nothing for them.

Quote from Romaq»

For people who *do* enjoy fishing, such as my wife, how could fishing as a game mechanic be made compelling for people like my wife, and done so that AFK fishing doesn't make sense? If you can solve, "make fishing not suck," I think you'd solve the "remove AFK fishing" problem.

I love fishing in RL and I do dig most of the fishing in MC. In fact it is my prefered food in MC. Sometimes I do fantasize about how I wish there were fish traps, river nets, ocean nets, and deep water throw lines, so I could go off and do other things while waiting for food, but it is not implemented, and probably never will be. In a real scenario finding water then food to start with, then worry about shelter and then scout. It is a little backwards here. It's make sure I have wood and a shelter, then find food and I do not need water except in my case to catch my food. For the fishing here to not "suck," it will never happen because it's all based on opinion. It can never be agreed upon.

I mean how did this thread even become a thing. It was a blanket statement saying it was bad. I remember when suggestions here had to have an outlined idea for implementing or fixing things followed with ideas and/or steps to improve it. It mitigated most arguing and actually talked about the real suggestion.

Certain angles while in a boat cause it to clip the boat (while reeling) and drop. Same thing depending on height, edges, and angle.

Quote from webrosc»

nearest i can think of would be to take a photo, then use a program that converts images to pixel art, and then from there manually build

This. Make sure to take pics of all 4 sides of the house. Then use the pixel art program. Built each section separately, and then do what you will inside the shell of it.

To be honest, you select what version and what content you play multiplayer as well. This is talk about Vanilla MC, which is the single player content to begin with. Multiplayer is the responsibility of the server owner as Minecraft does not have official servers. They are only responsible for the ability to have Minecraft content on servers. You can easily play 1.8 and lower. I know, I have dabbled on them. I choose not to play on them though.

Also, you can remove creepers. Peaceful mode

Quote from Yu_Katsuragi»

I think I changed my mind, I agree that it's hard to remove this exploit.

It really depends on the rules and regulations of a server, either they allow it or not.

If you play single player, I suggest don't do this or else it will make survival magic vanish and it will make your game boring.

I LOVE that. Brilliant. Survival magic. Awesome. Kudos.

Quote from C1ff»

Wrong. The community has no right to decide how they play the Vanilla game.

And there you have it folks. This thread is moot because the community has no right to decide. Suggestion threads are now pointless. Thus, no matter the opinion, since it is in the game, it stays.

Hey I tried.

No... here I go again.

I'm aware of what they do, I am not new.

"Then you have lost a sense of pride and acomplishment by beating the post-diamond progression possibly before you even get diamond." No, that is how YOU would feel. If an AFKers doing it, they most likely have done it before thus proving that they don't mind nor care. As far as progression. By the time any AFKer is done with their fishing, I have already gotten diamonds, and enchanted. With the implemented grindstone this is even faster because you do not have to use just books. You can enchant the same boots or whatnot over and over.

You know why? They first have to build it, then once it is built, they have to stand there. There are penalties for using it. You cannot do anything else while using it, and even if you do it 8 hours straight while sleeping, the return isn't what you think it is. It is random. I know. On a realm I am on, my best friend uses one, and he still cannot keep up with me. It's allowed so I don't have to do everything for him as well.


"On multiplayer this gives you an unfair advantage." What unfair advantage? There is none. Especially on a server. The people that have already been there for months or longer have every advantage there is. To most of us, it is a disadvantage for the AFKer because they usually lack the skill and reflexes to fight back, which is why this all matters right? Gear? Not to mention, you catch an AFKer, unless on a protected plot they die when we find them. Thus thwarting the fishing.

As for your last paragraph, this forum represents a very small, and mostly like minded people. None of the people who have series on Youtube who have followings are here. A lot of people are on other forums or reddit. I will go out on a limb and say most people do not even interact in a written forum concerning MC. When you break it down, your 90% is actually way smaller than that. There are the single player people (Me), the people that do not care (Me), the servers that rely on it for economy (Also me) The other servers where no one cares (Again me), Servers where PVP is off (Me) and then there are the servers when it is frowned upon and or banned (Also play those too) YOU are responsible for where and how you play. It's almost like no one here has ever played any MMO besides MC Servers. Unless you are on a server at launch, the entire server is advantaged against you. Having to "Toss" is part of the game. Also, gearing up with no effort, is apart of every MMO. In most, it is the reward for playing so long, because starting over is boring for most people that have done it over and over.

You have to come to realize, anti afk farms are the minority. They have servers for you.

Should we go through all the things one by one and explain how each item they receive in a fish farm affects you when it doesn't, or should we just come out and say it was just about the enchanted books and you can clearly gear yourself out in the time it takes for them to get food setup, base setup, build the farm, and fish it for 3 straight days in hopes that they got lucky enough to be anywhere close or finished to have great gear? I feel like a lot of people do not really know how these things work.

They do not "fix" it, does not affect me personally. They do "fix" it, it does not affect me personally except for the one realm I play on with my friends and family. That happens, sucks for my best friend because I am not pulling both our weight So no, it's not about, "triggered everyone who relies on the farms to beat the game."

I recommend you read my last reply also.

Quote from AMPPL50»

It's that it breaks the game's balance without adding ANYTHING to the experience.

What balance is being broken?

"Universal agreement" is exactly what will never happen. "In Principle" I support changes that make AFK fishing impractical. "In Practice" I build the AFK fish farms for my wife to use as soon as I'm aware of them for the version and platform we are running, because she demands this of me so she can "play" while she's knitting and relaxing.

"In theory," theory and practice are the same.

"In practice," they are not.

Quote from Leed»

Their is no point in mending if you remove basic EXP farms.

Really? I do not use XP farms at all yet I have absolutely no issues spending far more XP than you have to with Mending - currently, I'm playing on an old world where I used an Efficiency V, Fortune III, Unbreaking III diamond pickaxe for all mining while caving (aside from using a Silk Touch pickaxe on Ender chests and emerald ore). How much does it cost to repair?

48 levels is 3012 XP under the pre-1.8 leveling system:



The only difference from a vanilla diamond sword (1.6.4) is that it has 3 times the durability, but since you can only repair it with one unit at a time instead of another sword the durability restored per repair is only 3/4 as high; the diamond sword costs as low as 38 levels or 1517 XP for a full repair (using a slightly damaged sword to take advantage of the durability bonus, which only applies when repairing with an item) - this means that my amethyst sword is 8 times more expensive, costing a staggering 12048 XP to fully repair it (it is still entirely practical to use though - assuming 2 hits to kill a mob and 5 XP per mob (which is slightly low due to mobs with equipment adding 1-3 XP per piece; skeletons average 7 because of this) and 1171 durability/4684 uses restored per repair you get 11710 back from the mobs killed by the next partial repair, a profit margin of nearly 4:1, leaving enough to repair armor. For comparison, the diamond sword has a profit margin of more than 10:1):


Here are the costs for the items I sued while caving in TMCWv4:

Max cost for amethyst items = 49 levels, other items = 39

Sword: Sharpness V, Knockback II, Unbreaking III, Mending - 48 levels (amethyst)
Main pickaxe: Efficiency V, Unbreaking III, Mending - 43 levels (amethyst)
Ender chest pickaxe: Efficiency V, Silk Touch, Unbreaking III, Mending - 34 levels (diamond)
Shears: Efficiency V, Silk Touch, Unbreaking III, Mending - 29 levels
Bow: Power V, Infinity, Unbreaking III, Mending - 33 levels
Chestplate+leggings: Protection IV, Mending - 35 levels (amethyst)
Boots: Protection IV, Feather Falling IV, Mending - 44 levels (amethyst)

All are for one unit, except for shears and bow. Cost without Mending is 8 levels less for an item repair and 9 less for a unit repair.

So I am stuck in this discussion and constantly get notifications so i will just chime in.

I think we should have them.

You are overestimating the power of AFK fish farms. 95% of it is worthless junk. Most of the books are junk and it takes a entire night of AFK fishing with the best rod in the game to get enough levels to do only a couple good enchantments. Even if their is good enchanements the farm doesn't produce enough levels to even enchant anything with those books. It isn't game breaking in any fashion, and if Mojang really didn't like it they could've removed it years ago. I even have a trash system hooked up my farm so I can empty all of the junk out.

The only reason I have my fish farm now is EXP for my mending tools. I am doing a terrafroming project that requires 1,000's of blocks of dirt and since you don't get EXP from mining it I need a EXP farm to repair it. Once In a while I will grab a stack of fish to cook up.

If you consider AFK fishing game breaking, then why does creative or spectator mode exist? All I need to do is open my world in LAN to enable cheats. If I really wanted to break the game I would just give myself everything. Keep in mind this would only hurt myself and no one else.

Every MC Youtuber I watch moved on from AFK fishing as soon as they could, building mob grinders from spawners or villager breeding halls for better enchanted books. Even for a new player most of the AFK fish farm loot is garbage. Most of the enchanted bows/ fishing rods are simply not worth repairing with my precious levels and even then they have bad enchantments. Within a couple days of playing I can get diamond armour and after a week I get mending for it. From their on out I focus on building farms and bases.

So yes, their is a trade off. Stop glorifying it as some oh so magical farm that is world breaking. Its not. Nowhere near close to game breaking. Its a simple starter farm to gain valuable EXP and some good books. It doesn't build a base for you so stop blaming your lack of playing abilities on this farm. Maybe you are at fault, not the farm.

Since so many people like AFK fish farms and would be unhappy to lose them, I am in favor of their continued existence.

On a side note, it amuses me when some folks who use them claim that they would never turn on cheats. In my eyes, afk fishing is just as much cheating as turning on Creative mode to get stuff they haven’t worked for. But I don’t care and think that people should do what makes the game enjoyable for them as long as they aren’t hurting anybody.

On some servers afk fishing is allowed, on others it is prohibited. Online players can choose what is right for them.

Quote from Agtrigormortis»

The point is without iron golems or zombies to drop iron ingots, iron is a temporary/finite resource within each game world. Once the iron ores are mined and used up, they're gone, and while you can move to other areas to find more iron to mine after exhausting local strip mines within a 10,000 block radius, the simple fact is there isn't an infinite supply of it in the form of iron ore in survival mode.

Not all Minecraft worlds are created equal.

Sure if you're playing on PC or bedrock edition then your world sizes can be 60 million X by 60 million Z blocks, which is a lot of blocks and resources.

But if you're stuck with the older console editions of Minecraft then your world sizes are going to be much smaller.

I've only explored around 88,000 chunks (about 4750x4750 blocks; the overall size is about 6500x6500 blocks and 109,000 chunks) in the world where I've collected over 65,000 iron blocks worth of iron from caving, which only exposes a fraction of all the ore - surely more than anybody has ever actually needed - and virtually all of that is sitting in a huge storage room along with literally millions of other resources - and the world still contains more than 7 million iron ore in those chunks (this means that I've mined about 7.7% of the ore that was originally present, about 86.5 per chunk; using the averages I found for a 1.8+ world there would be nearly 10 million to start out with, this world is also a bit lower than land-only chunks would suggest since part of it is ocean; of course, it is just as common below the seafloor as anywhere else and even the deeper oceans in 1.7+ only remove about half the space it generates in):

(14:0),Gold Ore,699067
(15:0),Iron Ore,7034366
(16:0),Coal Ore,12424049
(21:0),Lapis Lazuli Ore,293853
(56:0),Diamond Ore,271356
(73:0),Redstone Ore,2180041
(129:0),Emerald Ore,35533

It may be appropriate to refer to some form of "fishing game/ game that has fishing in it" where the fishing was actually "fun". For the life of me, I can't think of anything. What would "fun" fishing look like? My idea of "real life fishing" is going to the local market with my debit card and bringing home something already cleaned and ready to prepare for eating.

Quote from C1ff»

Wrong. The community has no right to decide how they play the Vanilla game. What the community does have are privileges, like the ability to play in so many different styles and to use mods when need be. Mojang has every right to ignore the community's ideas in any way they like and they have every right to take away our privileges. The only right we have is to buy the game or to not buy the game.

I think I changed my mind, I agree that it's hard to remove this exploit.

It really depends on the rules and regulations of a server, either they allow it or not.

If you play single player, I suggest don't do this or else it will make survival magic vanish and it will make your game boring.

Quote from jonjocoleman1»

I thought it has to be 128 away in the nether???

When entering a portal in one world for the first time it looks 128 blocks around its favored destination point and if it finds a portal it links to that rather than making a new one.

Because of the 1:8 conversion, 128 blocks in the Nether is the equivalent of 1024 blocks in the Overworld, therefore a new Overworld portal typically has to be 1024 blocks from any other in order for it to generate a new portal in the Nether.

128 blocks in the Overworld is the equivalent of 16 blocks in the Nether, so you only have to build a new portal in the Nether 16 blocks away from any other for it to generate a new portal in the Overworld.

But McNubberson is right, for optimal results build both portals where they belong, though you can shift them a bit, quite a bit vertically, and still get them to work if they aren't too close to others.