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So Notch is apparently against its reintroduction... it seems like it will be staying on this weird F3+F.

It's just so inconvenient now.

Thanks for disappointing me for the first time ever, Mojang.

They reintegrated in in the second prerelease much to my happiness.

Now they remove it again? What a joke. I can only hope they reintroduce it once more in the inevitable 1.8.X.

Quote from Sunaipa

This is the dumbest complaint I've ever heard. You're basically saying, 'my computer is too **** to run minecraft, I hate Notch'

I don't hate Notch at all. I don't know where you're getting this idea. I think Notch has done a pretty awesome job so far. However, removing a harmless feature that helped many users (as demonstrated by the 50% of the people in this thread who agree with me) was a bad idea. Sorry.

I would think that this forum, as Minecraft fans, would want the game to be enjoyed by as many people as possible, including those who tapped F to keep frame lag at bay. It's a feature that is 100% optional if you dont' want to use it, and helpful to those who do. That's why the arguments againts its reintegration are laughable at best.

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Well this can easily be solved by going into your options and changing the rendering distance that way. There is no need for the shortcut.

What part of "instant fix" do you not understand? Going into the menus every few seconds is NOT a solution. I don't get it when people try to pass it off as one.

Quote from icecruiser

Seriously is it so hard to press 3 buttons for your precious frame rates?

You are acting like kings and princesses here so please for the sake of sanity just deal with it like everyone else.

Acting like a king and/or princess? Are you joking? The toggle fog key was a perfectly valid (and instant) solution to framerate dips on low-end computers. He removed it for no reason. I am not pleased.

How is this in any way unreasonable?

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Oh god more horrendous misuse of the term troll. "Get a new computer" is a legitimate solution to performance issues, although upgrading is a more budget friendly suggestion. Honestly you cannot expect, and have no justification for complaining about not being able to run new software on outdated hardware. "Trolling" is an attempt to get a strong reaction through inflammatory and derailing posts, "get a new computer" may be brutally honest but often it is a solution to a lot of problems.

Except I wasn't asking for a solution. I was complaining because Notch removed the solution needlessly.

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So people who play this game and lag to an extreme detriment to both themselves and other players who interact with them are less of a threat then a person complains about them? I love your logic here. Personally I think Notch should just return the toggle and change it's default location to "Y" rather then having it jammed right up to the WASD keys. This really would be easy to do and it's a good quick fix for people who want to play this game on a toaster.(Apparently a lot of people play games with the same device they used to heat bread, its getting absurd.)

FPS lag is not the same as connection lag. When I lag, it's only on my end since it's a framerate dip, not anything to do with my connection.

Quote from haiyyu »

You'll have to understand that developers who are creating a game for lots of players can't just put features in in order to make the game playable for people who have a computer that doesn't meet the system requirements of the game.

I completely agree. And if Notch was adding something, like content, that rised the system requirements, I'd have no choice but to accept it. However, removing an existing function that helped lower end PCs run the game better isn't exactly the same. Especially when he does this for no obvious reason.

Quote from Jaydor

Or you know, spend $500-700 for a decent PC for games in general.

I don't play PC games enough to justify it. I don't particularly like PC gaming. Minecraft is all I play (well, and Terraria but it's been months). I dont' have $500 to drop, and I certainly wouldn't drop it on a PC if I had it.

I trully cannot believe people are mentioning this as a solution.

And you can't make it into the video settings at all? or does it just take more than 5 seconds?

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Having to take 5 seconds out of your busy life, you poor dear, you poor poor dear.

Do you really not understand what I'm saying? Tapping the key was an instant (albeit temporary) fix. Having to go into the options menu and stopping the game every so often to toggle the fog back down is just extremely tedious and irritating.

I don't see how removing an option for players can be looked upon so... lightly. Lots of players use the F key, and now we can't. How can you possibly defend this decision? It was there for those who needed it, and no one was ever forced to use it.

And now it's gone completely for whatever reason.

Quote from mrbaggins

Wrong.

Any "benefit" you got from it was purely observation bias. Run on Tiny.

No it's not. It's the way the world loads. As more chunks pop in, the slower my PC (and other low-end PCs) run. Tapping the F key resets how many chunks have loaded visuallly, and thus reduces lag. This is a fact.

I don't know why you people are putting up such **** arguments over something that had no reason to be removed.



Its just a damn hotkey. We shouldn't have to ''lolol notch broek somthin on dis 20 dollar gaem, time to coff up 700 bukz for a new computr'' because of some creator's paranoia about cheating, when people use TMI, Xray, and cheat texture packs.