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The general nerfing of automation is very bad for Minecraft.

First I'll explain why, they I'll reveal why there is so much contention over the topic.

A primitive society digs ditches with shovels. A society with a higher standard of living builds a factory that makes backhoes and they use those to dig the ditches.
The workers of the society have to elevate their skills and assemble machines instead of spending their time doing the more menial task of digging by hand. (Of course a real society has both, but we're simplifying to the Minecraft level)

Minecraft is simply, and brilliantly, the only game in history to capture this progression of standard-of-living. You start with nothing. You mine, you chop, you build things for the sole purpose of increasing your standard of living and sparing you the drudgery of forever doing whatever you did yesterday. You build a house so you don't have to fight monsters all night. You build a door with a button so you don't have to place two blocks of dirt. You build an iron farm so you don't have to spend forever mining iron.

Once you've learned how to play, everything you do is really geared toward increasing your standard of living. Automation is the very basis of that increase. Therefore without automation, Minecraft is just a 3D game about growing cows.

I hear you saying that the farms still work, they're just not fully automatic anymore. They're not gone, they're just less automated. The fact that they're not gone completely is irrelevant, the important point is that the level of automation has been reduced. It doesn't matter by how much.

It would be okay to make farming a resource harder or less profitable, but to make it specifically require manual labor is actually to take away the basis of what makes Minecraft great.


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Now the social commentary on why there is so much debate over this change.

95% of the people who claim farms make it "too easy" to get resources, have never built one of those farms. Ironically, they don't build them exactly because they are "too hard" to build. They require enormous amounts of work, patience and diligence to complete and maintain.

Such people are fundamentally socialists who don't like it when someone else has more than they do, regardless of how hard other people worked. Too lazy or not skillful enough to do the work themselves, instead they support the governing body (Mojang in this case) taking away other people's wealth by force.

So all this bickering isn't about game anything, it's just about jealousy of ability and wealth.

1.8 is like a stake through the heart for survival players. Nerfing the automated farms just kills us, anything else in the update is trivial.

Please add a voting option for "1.8 is terrible, they're taking away the end game".

There is a special mob only found in the jungle. There are multiple special mobs only found in the ocean (as of 1.8). But there's no special mob in the savanna biome. This idea adds the ultimate farm animal to Minecraft. However, you can only find it In savanna biomes rarely. Introducing the ostrich. Note that all these ostrich drops are what ostriches are farmed for in real life except the ostrich neck.

Rarely when exploring the savannas, you may find a small group of ostriches. You'll probably want to bring them to your base so you can start a farm. Ostriches have really good drops. They drop raw ostrich (cooked ostrich if on fire), feathers, and leather. They rarely drop an ostrich neck. You can brew an ostrich neck into an awkward potion to create a potion of reaching. This lets you have a 2 block longer reach. If it is level 2, you have a 3 block longer reach than normal. To try and keep this balanced, they cannot lay eggs like chickens can. They instead must be bred with a very rare crop. This crop can only be found uncommonly in blacksmith chests. This crop is corn. Corn heals 4 half hunger (2 full hunger) and has almost the same saturation as steak. Raw ostrich heals as much hunger as raw chicken and has the same chance to give the hunger effect, but it also has the same saturation as raw beef. Cooked ostrich heals as much hunger as cooked chicken and has the same saturation as steak. When attacked, ostriches will attack back doing 1 heart of damage to a player with no armor on all difficulties. Ostriches run away like a normal farm animal except a bit faster when on 6 health (3 hearts) and below. Ostriches have 20 health (10 hearts).

Feedback is appreciated.

You want some really sound advice? Don't let your 7-year-old play on public servers. Trust me. It will only end in tears.

If he has a few real-life friends that you can trust to not act like jerks, and can play well together with him, then I'd suggest setting up a server for him that is white-listed to only allow the people you want to be able to join.

Minecraft is a sandbox game, right? So why does Mojang insist on breaking everything?!?!

-Redstone Obsidian Generators - Broken. Lava no longer converts redstone to obsidian. WTH?
-Above the Nether Gold Farms - I spent hours making my gold farm and now nothing spawns above the Nether. Why? What's the harm? It WAS one of my favorite builds!
-Iron farms - Broken. Again, Why?

Before someone says, its not supposed to work that way... Why? Its a SANDBOX game (or WAS a sandbox game). If I want one of those farms, Why the heck would Mojang care. Or YOU for that matter.

I lost some EPIC builds and I got Bunnies and Banners in return. Gee... Thanks.

Quote from skiboy12312

Im just wondering why the heck this is a good idea it is gonna lower the mc players by about 70%

And what statistical data is behind this claim? I'll take a wild guess and say you pulled it from thin air. The same goes for pretty much everyone else, we have 'no' idea how this will impact the community in the long run, if it will have any impact at all. All these outcries of doomsday are no less hysterical than the weekly end of the worlds. And if the community ends up suffering casualties it will most likely be at its own hands, by people who chicken out and pack up their bags without even trying to adapt.

I just want Mojang to finish all the paperwork and get 1.7.10 out already so we can stop speculating & running in circles and start adapting (or giving up, whichever you prefer).

Quote from AlmostLiberated

No support. This is an unoriginal idea that was slapped together through "HEY DIS ANIMAL DUZ DIS HOW BOUT DIS ONE TEW HURR DURR IM SMART"

Unnecessary rudeness.

This has been suggested before: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/678632-squid-breeding/page__hl__+squid

Since nobody seems to really be talking about anything but the new terrain generation:

Stone and brick half-slabs no longer have a unique side texture when they're stacked on top of each other to form a full block. Instead, the sides share the same texture as the top of the slabs, which is kind of ugly in my opinion. I don't know if this was an intentional change or simply a side effect of another change, but it would be nice if they could revert it and maybe add a crafting recipe for full-block half slabs instead.

The minecart physics reverted back to the way they were before the previous snapshot. It is pretty jarring seeing how slow they are now, but it is a thousand times over worth not having them derail on corners or randomly grind to a halt when going up hills. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for this!

And finally, the texture for redstone dust placed in a line has rotated 90 degrees. Any non-vanilla texture pack now shows redstone dust in a line or going up blocks as sideways. This isn't listed anywhere in the changelogs on the wiki, so I thought it was worth pointing out.

Quote from JuniperMelody

Meh. While the new terrain generation is certainly cool, it doesn't really contribute much to a serious game of survival. Nothing new to build or collect.

You don't always have to rely on vanilla to give you an experience. There are mods and servers that use plugins that can spice up your game

Quote from johnc422

the cobblestone is a part of the tiga hills biome your a noob if you don't know that

Dude, You cant go around calling people noobs, its not respectful. Also, he probably never spawned in the mega taiga biome so he/she couldn't have possibly known that. Actually think about what you post.

Farming is farming. People don't have a problem with wheat farming or tree farming, but they do with iron farming. The only difference is that an iron farm is difficult to build. Don't lie to yourself: if you could build a difficult farm, you would.

If you're the sort that prefers grinding to farming, that's a different story; however, if you're a grinder, don't be so short-sighted as to think it's a good idea to limit possibilities in a sandbox game. We don't love Minecraft because of the limited graphics or the minimalist PvP mechanics. The reason Minecraft has the following it enjoys now is because it is a sandbox game--each update should increase, rather than decrease, the dynamic way you can interact with the cubes that make up your Minecraft world.