Update: I made a version for the 1.11.2 Minecraft Server, and it works perfectly fine. So if the launcher simply hadn't replaced the jarfile, Minecraft would have started and worked perfectly fine, exactly as intended, without Forge or any other modloader.
I made a simple mod using Mod Coder Pack 9.37 which worked perfectly fine when I tested it. (I wan't using Forge, though).
When I attempt to modify the version jarfile (.minecraft/versions/1.11.2/1.11.2.jar) and then launch Minecraft, the launcher decides to replace the jar with a new copy from Mojang. This is fine if you're an average Minecraft player who simply wants the game to work. However, if you actually WANT to play the modified jar and know what you're doing, this is simply unacceptable.
I've searched around on the internet and have found some solutions, however all of the solutions that I've stumbled upon were outdated and the Launcher had been patched to "fix" those loopholes. For example when I attempt to run the game when disconnected from the Internet, the launcher simply deletes the jar and the corresponding json files, then states that some of the files are missing and it cannot download them.
Is there a new way to fix this that I haven't found? Please tell me if you know a working solution.
Note: I believe that Mod Coder Pack 9.37 is the latest version of MCP (that isn't for a pre-release), and it is for Minecraft 1.11.2, so I know that this issue is not for the actual latest version of Minecraft, 1.12.
That is clearly wrong; I can see and have even modded the code for 1.6.4 myself and I know for certain that it does not, repeat, does NOT, determine biomes based off of elevation - it is the other way around.
How can I prove this? Well, just load up 1.6.4 and see for yourself if biomes depend on the elevation; what's the elevation difference between a plains and desert, or forest? None? For example, do you see biomes being based off of height here (seed -123775873255737467 in 1.6.4)?
Even more fun, due to a quirk in the game's code you can enter seeds that produce the same general pattern of height variation - yet different biomes:
If you don't believe me, try asking somebody else with similar knowledge of how the code works, such as Zeno410 (like I have, they have extensive modding knowledge of world generation).
They might have been talking about a much older world generator, maybe Beta or earlier since I know that since at least Beta 1.8 biomes and height have been separate things, or rather, biomes determine what the height is; for example, if I switch around the height values for ocean and Extreme Hills their heights will be similarly reversed - but "oceans" will still be oceans.
I'm sure biomes weren't ENTIRELY based on height, but you do have a point right there. But seriously, how could Mojang be wrong about their own game?
I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean; you mean that in 1.6 a big mountain was Extreme Hills no matter where it was? Then what about a mountain in a desert? Actually, the game always generated biomes the way it currently does (even back in Beta the terrain generator was remarkably similar to now, the only difference then is that biomes did not control height variation, hence the ability to have mountains in any biome, thus the complaints about a lack of variation since then) - the size of oceans are simply based on some variables that determine this before biomes are even generated, and via mods you can change these to generate landmasses and oceans of whatever size you want (a shame that Mojang did not add this to the "customized" world type, among other things, including the ability to pick which biomes you want, instead of just all or one, change or remove climate zones, and so on).
A big problem with using the blocks in an area to determine the biome is the performance impact from having to regularly check millions of blocks, and not just check them but keep counts of every individual block type and see which ones are most prevalent, and even then it would have to make some guesses for some biomes since they are pretty similar (e.g. what makes a Forest Hills different from a Forest? They don't even necessarily have different heights due to random variation).
This is a quote from directly from Mojang.com: <click to see the actual page I found this and biome maps
In case you don’t know what a “biome” is, it’s a climate zone used in the game to set what kind of surface the ground has (sand? grass?), whether it should rain or snow, what trees grow there, and sometimes also what kind of animals that are allowed to spawn there. The biome is also used to determine how hilly it should be, although this is a technical solution because biomes are generated before the elevation (the old generator created the elevation first, and decided on biomes based on elevation).
This is actually for a new game mechanic for biomes so I'm not a complete newb that wants biomes in the game because I do know that they already exist.
This is actually a good idea, but mojang would have trouble adding it. You could do this to make ocelots spawn near your house with a jungle biome, or get slimes with a swamp. I support, but mojang most likely won't add it D:.
I don't know, it might not be that hard to add. I know how the biomes and all blocks are stored in a Minecraft world, but it's not like I make the updates, so I might be underestimating the difficulty.
1. As far as I know it can't be set at the start of the world (assuming you mean when it's first created) if it were to depends on the blocks in an area. Most blocks in the world don't exist at that point, just the blocks in the spawn chunks and the chunks within range of the player. The biome for any given area would have to be set the first time a player first walks through an area cause that's when the game first generates those blocks. Afterwards that info can be saved and loaded up easily next time a player walks through an area.
2. It would be great if biomes could be different on different Y-Coordinates. No arguments here. Basing biomes on the types of blocks within range and not on chunks could make that possible. Though a better method might be through cubic chunks such as in the Tall Worlds Mod (warning, still very much in beta).
Minecraft currently generates a world by setting a biome, setting the heights of the ground, then placing blocks in it (if it makes a forest it will generate trees). Before Minecraft 1.7 the world generated heights first then biomes, but that caused oceans to be way too large. If you set how the world generates to normal, it will do what it normally does. If you set it to base biomes off of the blocks, Minecraft will do what it normally does but then the blocks generated in the biomes will keep the biome what it was set to.
I'm not quite understanding this. You wan't the game to change how it recognizes and generates biomes and blocks, for a small feature? Wouldn't it just be easier to build in a area in an Ocean, place trees, and ignore the fact that it's an Ocean biome? In fact, wouldn't it just be easier to do that in any biome as well?
What difference does it make so long as the game recognize what biomes which? There's nothing here that changes it, it's simply suggesting to change the way how the game would generate biomes based on the amount of blocks being placed in a specific area. (Unless theres something here that I'm not quite understanding)
I forgot to mention this but I was thinking of this idea so that players would be able to grow trees out in the middle of the ocean and not have it be called an ocean in the debugging menu just for like a small but noticeable feature (also the grass would change color).
Biomes should be based off of the blocks in an area. For example: if there were lots of oak trees in an area it would be a Forest biome and if there were lots of jungle trees and vines in an area there would be a jungle biome.
This should be set at the start of the world (some people might want to live in a greener area but not want to build a new house so they can grow some jungle trees and BOOM! Their grass is greener).
This would be useful so if someone could put a ton of sand under someone's house their grass would look dead (of course if there was more sand than grass).
If there are "mixed" biomes (a snow covered desert) Minecraft will just use whatever has more blocks (5 sand and 1 snow: desert. 1 sand and 5 snow: ice plains).
It would also be great if biomes could be different on different Y-Coordinates (an area below Y: 63 with stone and a cave would be a cave biome (I know a cave biome doesn't exist)). <--That probably counts as a different suggestion.
I would really like it if when you capture a picture of the map if you could put two coordinates in so if I wanted a map of coordinates -503,-50 to 100,77 I would enter those coordinates and get a map of that.
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Update: I made a version for the 1.11.2 Minecraft Server, and it works perfectly fine. So if the launcher simply hadn't replaced the jarfile, Minecraft would have started and worked perfectly fine, exactly as intended, without Forge or any other modloader.
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I made a simple mod using Mod Coder Pack 9.37 which worked perfectly fine when I tested it. (I wan't using Forge, though).
When I attempt to modify the version jarfile (.minecraft/versions/1.11.2/1.11.2.jar) and then launch Minecraft, the launcher decides to replace the jar with a new copy from Mojang. This is fine if you're an average Minecraft player who simply wants the game to work. However, if you actually WANT to play the modified jar and know what you're doing, this is simply unacceptable.
I've searched around on the internet and have found some solutions, however all of the solutions that I've stumbled upon were outdated and the Launcher had been patched to "fix" those loopholes. For example when I attempt to run the game when disconnected from the Internet, the launcher simply deletes the jar and the corresponding json files, then states that some of the files are missing and it cannot download them.
Is there a new way to fix this that I haven't found? Please tell me if you know a working solution.
Note: I believe that Mod Coder Pack 9.37 is the latest version of MCP (that isn't for a pre-release), and it is for Minecraft 1.11.2, so I know that this issue is not for the actual latest version of Minecraft, 1.12.
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I'm sure biomes weren't ENTIRELY based on height, but you do have a point right there. But seriously, how could Mojang be wrong about their own game?
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This is a quote from directly from Mojang.com: <click to see the actual page I found this and biome maps
I knew I read that somewhere.
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This is actually for a new game mechanic for biomes so I'm not a complete newb that wants biomes in the game because I do know that they already exist.
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I don't know, it might not be that hard to add. I know how the biomes and all blocks are stored in a Minecraft world, but it's not like I make the updates, so I might be underestimating the difficulty.
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Minecraft currently generates a world by setting a biome, setting the heights of the ground, then placing blocks in it (if it makes a forest it will generate trees). Before Minecraft 1.7 the world generated heights first then biomes, but that caused oceans to be way too large. If you set how the world generates to normal, it will do what it normally does. If you set it to base biomes off of the blocks, Minecraft will do what it normally does but then the blocks generated in the biomes will keep the biome what it was set to.
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Sadly, you have a good point.
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I forgot to mention this
but I was thinking of this idea so that players would be able to grow trees out in the middle of the ocean and not have it be called an ocean in the debugging menu just for like a small but noticeable feature (also the grass would change color).
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Biomes should be based off of the blocks in an area. For example: if there were lots of oak trees in an area it would be a Forest biome and if there were lots of jungle trees and vines in an area there would be a jungle biome.
This should be set at the start of the world (some people might want to live in a greener area but not want to build a new house so they can grow some jungle trees and BOOM! Their grass is greener).
This would be useful so if someone could put a ton of sand under someone's house their grass would look dead (of course if there was more sand than grass).
If there are "mixed" biomes (a snow covered desert) Minecraft will just use whatever has more blocks (5 sand and 1 snow: desert. 1 sand and 5 snow: ice plains).
It would also be great if biomes could be different on different Y-Coordinates (an area below Y: 63 with stone and a cave would be a cave biome (I know a cave biome doesn't exist)).<--That probably counts as a different suggestion.0
This has actually been added to the game as /entitydata in 1.8 (this reply is a little late because 1.8 has been out for a while now.)
Thanks for all of your support!
Sadly it won't work on players
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Galacticraft has space but the title needs a space for it to look official.
There.
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