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Q: This would make the Nether too hard!

A: The Nether was originally known as a "hell world". It was released during the Halloween update, and players initially entered with trepidation, fearing the dangers that awaited them. The people realized the only mob in there could be kill with two arrows. Ghasts are 4x4x4, making them fairly easy to hit, even from a distance. Additionally, a single knocked back fireball takes them out instantly. Their fireballs, even with a direct hit, still do less damage than a creeper. They are the only mob that represents a challenge in the Nether, and they aren't even that hard. Magma cubes are a joke - at the speed they go, you can just walk away. Zombie Pigmen ignore you unless you actually hit them, at all the rest of the mobs are confined to Nether Fortresses.
This is supposed to be Hell, and yet a player with a small stock of arrows can walk freely through the area with barely a care in the world! With iron armor, basically all caution except with lava can be abandoned, because a Ghast would only be able to take you out with two direct hits, and everything else can be ignored! Wither Skeletons would add needed challenge to a dimension that is supposed to be terrifying, and force players to actually be prepared to get their Glowstone and Nether Quartz. With Wither Skeletons moved out, a player that isn't in good armor would need to be fast, and a well prepared player would actually need a variety of equipment like milk buckets or potions. If you really didn't want to fight them, you could always sprint away, which takes a small amount of skill.
But remember, they would only spawn about as commonly as Endermen, so it isn't like you'd be horded like with 3 at once. You would have to fight one, maybe two, unless you actually walked around getting a bunch on your tail. This change would make the Nether much more challenging, but not nearly enough to make it impossible, even in no armor. A veteran could still walk without armor with enough movement skill, while newer players could most likely survive in iron armor, but no less, as they should be able to in the dimension of Hell.

Q: The Wither is a boss. It is meant to be hard to summon!

A: Yes, and I agree it should be hard to summon. But right now, it takes far too long. You have to kill 120, on average, and it might take you a half-hour or so just to find three. This idea keeps it a challenge without making it so only a collaborative multiplayer effort or obsession is able to summon the wither. People want to be able to summon it in single player without being in a nether fortress 24/7.
There has been a fair amount of contention about this lately, especially making the beacon too easy to get. I would remind players that the beacon takes a minimum of 81 ores to complete. That's quite the chore - just because you can summon the Wither does not mean it can suddenly immediately get a beacon. Second, this does not make it too easy to get all the skulls to summon the Wither. As I said earlier, it takes an average of 120 Wither Skeleton kills to get all the heads. Unlucky player might need to kill as many as 300 or more. As I've said, they will spawn about as commonly as Endermen. Go out and try to kill 120 Endermen, then try to tell me that the amount of time it took you would make it too easy to get the beacon.
Don't believe on the average of 120 or unlucky players having to kill as many as 300? Have a full-blown statistical analysis based on the normal and geometric cumulative frequency distributions. Happy reading!

So take this from someone taking AP Statistics – having to kill 120 Wither Skeletons is not an “extreme”, it is an average. There is a 2.5% chance per kill of getting a skull, meaning p=(.025). To calculate the average number of repetitions needed before achieving “success”, the formula is simply 1/p, or in this case 1/.025. Plug that into your calculator and it spits out 40. From there, it doesn’t take a statistics class to tell you that to get three, you multiply by three for (guess what!) 120. That means, the average player will have to kill 120 Wither Skeletons before getting three heads, leading me to the conclusion that you are either lucky or exaggerating. This isn’t really something you can dispute – these are well established mathematical formulas.
But hey, say you don’t believe me. Say you think I got the math wrong, even though this kind of probability is something I learned before statistics even expanded upon it. I built a quick calculator program on my calculator while I was bored in precalculus, then ran it for 999 trials (the max my calculator can take before no longer being able to run analysis). Here’s the coding, so you can be sure I didn’t cheat. It probably won’t make much sense to you, but I’m sure another programmer on the forums can confirm its validity, and I’ll comment it up and add actual names to the variables to make it easier to understand.

ClrHome //clears what is currently on the screen

ClrList L[sub]1[/sub] //clears whatever is in the list I’ll be storing the results in

0->Successes

0->Count

1->Runs

Input “Trials:”,Trials //Asks the user how many trials he wants to run

Output(3,1,”Trial:”)

Output(4,1,”Last Num:”)

While Runs≤Trials //Sets up loop for number of trials

Output(3,7,Runs) //Outputs the current trial to keep track of progress

0->Successes

0->Count //Resets both variables for the coming trial

While Successes<3 //Will run until 3 “Successes” are achieved

If randInt(1,40)=1 //If a randomly generated number 1 through 40 is one, a wither skeleton head is received. This simulates the killing of one Wither Skeleton

Successes+1->Successes //increments the number of successes by one (for those unacquainted with calc programming, when there are no brackets the calculator only considers the line right after the If as part of the contained area.

Count+1->Count //Whether or not a skull is received, the number of kills is incremented

End //Ends the While Successes<3 loop (if Successes is not less than three, reruns until it is)

Count->L[sub]1[/sub](R) //Stores the number of Wither Skeletons killed before three skulls were received in a list location corresponding to the current run.

Output(4,10,” “)

Output(4,10,Count”)

Runs+1->Runs

End // Ends the While Run/Trial loop. If Run is not to trials yet, will run entire thing again until it is.

1-Var Stats L[sub]1[/sub]

Note to experienced calc programmers: To make it more easily understandable, I added actual names to the variables based on their letter, and commented it up Java-style. To derive the original program, truncate all but the first letter of the variables and ignore the commenting.

You probably didn’t understand that, so I’ll summarize what it does. It simulates the killing of a Wither Skeleton by giving a 1 in 40 chance of a “success”, and repeats that until 3 “successes” are achieved. It then stores the number of Wither Skeletons it took to get these three skulls in another location for further viewing, then runs again. I ran this program 999 times, simulating a random player going to get his three skulls 999 times. Here are my results:

Mean: 119.4544545 (Shocker, only .5 off 120, which is the actual value)

SD(X)=64.86644227 (There’s a decent chance you don’t know what this is, so I’ll explain it later)

Min(X)=9 (In all 999 trials, the smallest number of Wither Skeletons killed to get all three skulls was 9)

Max(X)=390 (In all 999 trials, the largest number of Wither Skeletons killed to get all three skulls was 390)

So the mean was 119.45 Wither Skeleton kills needed. Don’t even try to tell me my math was wrong there now.

But I already knew that. I’m more interested in the standard deviation. Now, the Central Limit Theorem would normally cause the combined results of trials to be normal, especially with a sample size of 999, but unfortunately np = 3, which is less than ten. That means the left side of the normal model will be cut off, causing a right skew. That means the standard deviation isn’t useful for far-reaching calculations, and the SD can’t be calculated by regular methods. But we already have an approximate SD from our trials, so that should be almost dead-on accurate for our purposes, especially since independence is a certainty. So what does a standard deviation of 64.866 mean? Well, it means that when you go one standard deviation out in both directions, you have contained just about 68% of all results. Here’s a little table so you can visual what I mean:



But I said earlier that it can’t work quite as well in this case because np<10. We can still approximate, especially for the smaller sigmas. With a bit of math, we can find out that 1SD above the mean is 184.866, 2SD is 249.733, and 3SD is 314.599. With a bit more math, specifically, finding the area of everything else by taking (1-the other results)/2, we can find out the odds that a player might have to kill a certain number of Wither Skeletons to get his skulls.

Here are the results:

Odds that a player might have to kill above X Wither Skeletons to get all three skulls, according to the slightly-off normal model:

X=184: 16%
X=250: 2.5%
X=315: .15%

So that means 1 in 40 player will have to kill more than 250 Wither Skeletons to get their skulls. 3 in 2000 players (not unlikely at all considering the millions playing Minecraft) will have to kill more than 315, which is absolutely ridiculous. Some will have to kill more. If you’ve followed along with the math up to this point, you can do your own calculations as to how they might stretch out farther, but be warned that the normal model gets more and more inaccurate because np<10 as you go out farther. As I mentioned earlier, these might be a bit off because of the truncated normal model that causes a right skew. You can’t really call me out on that though, because what that would really mean is that for a manually placed normal model extending into the negatives the standard deviation would more than likely be even larger, meaning that unlucky players have to kill even more Wither Skeletons than is mentioned here. This of course means that many lucky players will have to kill somewhere on the range of 60 or less, but unlucky and lucky happen about the same amount of times, and with my way even the unlucky ones will be able to get it eventually with a bit of perseverance, unlike the obsession that would be needed if you wanted to get them just from Fotressses.So yes, some lucky players will be able to get enough materials to summon the Wither within an hour or so – it is really the same now. But do not even try to tell me any longer that needing to kill 120 is an extreme. It is the average, and needing to kill even half that would only happen to less than 1 in 5 players.

But let’s take a different approach, because I’m spending a lot of time applying what I learned in Statistics, and this is kind of fun. The Geometric model is even better for our purposes than the normal model, and even easier to use. It gives us a different perspective on how crappy the current system is as well.

So, if you have a TI graphing calculator, you can follow along. Hit 2^nd Vars, then go to the very bottom, where it says geometcdf(. That is the geometric cumulative distribution frequency, which you probably don’t understand. What is does is calculates the chance of an occurrence happening by the time a certain number of trials have gone by. So click it, then type in into the parentheses .025,120).That spits out .952075909, right? What that number means is that there is a 95.2% chance of getting at least one skull by 120 trials (note the at least). While that seems decent, that leaves us 4.8% of people, after having killed 120 Wither Skeletons, wondering if the info they got off the wiki on drop rates was wrong. You can plug in other values instead of 120 to see the chances a person will have received a Wither Skeleton Skull by the time they have killed that many Wither Skeletons.

But let’s remember that I’m not even suggesting a change of drop rate – I’m just suggesting that they are a bit easier to find, by moving them out of Nether Fotresses. Which means all this still applies even after my idea comes into play – all it means is that they will be easier to find, so you will be able to rack up these ridiculous amounts of kills.

Q: How commonly would they spawn outside of fortresses?

A: The same as they do now inside of fortresses. They won't spawn in groups like Zombie Pigmen, and are a bit rarer to begin with, so they still will be a bit hard to find, kind of like Endermen in the Overworld. I'm sure Jeb can mess around with the spawn rate to make it good.

Q: Wouldn't this stop people from building bases in the Nether because a hostile mob could spawn in their base all it wanted? (Thanks to corinanth for bringing this up)

A: Currently, Wither Skeletons have a limitation that they cannot spawn in a light level of 8 or greater (in addition to their only spawning in Nether Fortresses). This limitation will be maintained as they are moved out into the Nether. This means they will be able to spawn fairly near to Nether light sources like lava and glowstone (who emit a light level of 15), but it will be possible to light up a base enough that Wither Skeletons won't spawn. Thanks to Immibis for help with the technicalities of the lighting system!

Q: Why do you have a supporters list?

A: I think it is a good idea to have a semi-visual representation of the amount of support this idea has received. A supporters list is a good way to give a quick numerical summary of how many supporters this idea has, and the dropdown list of specific supporters allows people to see if their favorite critic/friend has supported. I don't require a +1 to be on the list because I don't feel you should have to give rep to me just to support this. I do appreciate reputation though, because I did spend a fair chunk of time assembling this idea to be informative and aesthetically appealing.

Q: Oh come on, why don't you just use a Looting I/II/III sword?!

A: The maximum level of Looting, Looting III, brings your chance of getting a skull up to 1 in 25. Which, for those of you who haven't done the multiplying, means you now need to kill an average of 75 wither skeletons instead of 120. Now, 45 is a hefty difference, but it still means a huge chunk of time to kill 75 Wither Skeletons. Even if it did bring it down to a reasonable number of Wither Skeletons needed to be killed, it still wouldn't fix the other problems, namely that there are no challenging ground-based hostile mobs in the Nether, and there is a hugely skewed content ratio between Nether Fortresses and the rest of the Nether. Mojang has an entire dimension to fill, and they choose to stuff about half of the content into one tiny building, the Nether Fortress. Moving Wither Skeletons out into the rest of the Nether would provide a hostile mob and a huge step towards fixing the content ratio of the Nether, even if it wasn't necessary to fix the time it take to get the 3 skulls, which it still is even if you are lucky enough to get a Looting III sword.

Q: So, how can I help this become a reality?

A: I'm glad you asked. There are a bunch of ways you can help this become part of the game:

1. Support! It's as simple as pressing the rep button or posting "I support!", and every person who supports adds credibility and weight to the idea.
2. Spread the word! You can do this by telling your friends on the forum, or using the banner. Like above, the more people who come to this topic to support, the better the chance Mojang will see what their players want and implement this.
3. Check back! A great way to help out is to come back every once in a while and comment on additions and reply to people who aren't sure about whether they want to support. Following the topic is a great way to keep informed. Every post helps people make up their mind, and has the added benefit of bringing this back to the top of the page.
4. Leave constructive ideas! Every improvement to this idea, whether it is to make the suggestion more appealing, more balanced, or just plain old more awesome, makes this a better suggestion, and therefore more likely to be implemented.
5. Contact Mojang! You can PM or tweet any of the Mojang team (Jeb, Dinnerbone, Lydia Winters, and EvilSeph are here if you want to tweet them), and that way they can see the idea and know people like it! Disclaimer: I am not suggesting that you spam their page. A lot of people contacting them would be great, but don't spam their PM inbox or twitter repeatedly. That is rude and does not help this suggestion become part of the game.

Q: Why not just increase the spawn rate or drop rate of Wither Skeletons?

A: Because that only fixes part of the problem. Yes, increasing the drop rate would work insofar as it fixes the problem of the Wither being incredibly hard to get, but it takes away some of the challenge of fighting all those Wither Skeletons. Increasing the spawn rate of Wither Skeletons would fix the problem as well, but there are still two huge problems the solution quite simply does not address. There is still no challenging hostile mob in the Nether. Ghasts take two arrows, and if you are in the nether you should certainly have arrows; Magma Cubes are so slow you can just ignore them, and don't put up much of a fight even if you don't; and Zombie Pigmen you can just ignore because they are neutral. Thus, moving the Wither Skeleton out would finally get that hostile mob into the Nether. The second thing that either solution does not fix is the incredibly skewed rate of content in the Nether. Almost half of the available features of the Nether, an entire dimension, are packed into a comparatively minuscule building. Why? There is no good reason, and moving Wither Skeletons out into the Nether would be a great step towards fixing the problem.

Q: Why not give Wither Skeletons a building of their own?

A: This solution is a bit better than the suggested solutions in the above Q&A in that it helps fixed the skewed content of the Nether and, if the spawn rate is high in the building, helps with the challenge of getting enough Skulls to summon the Wither. However, it still doesn't do everything that moving them out into the Nether does. Moving Wither Skeletons out into the Nether would get a challenging hostile ground mob into the Nether, something that people have been asking for for a long time. It would be a huge leap in finally making the Nether the terrifying, dangerous, and hellish place a dimension like the Nether should be. In addition, building an entirely new structure for Wither Skeletons would represent a lot of coding for the Mojang team. The change suggested here would probably take Mojang about 5 minutes or less to implement, as all they would have to do is remove specific spawning restrictions. So, moving Wither Skeletons out of Nether Fortresses fixes more problems and involves less work for the Mojang team, allowing them to focus on other features. It's a win-win!

Q: I tried to use one of the banners, but it isn't working!

A: First of all, thanks a bunch for helping out this idea by using a banner! Your problem might be a few things:

1. Try highlighting what you copied and clicking the "Remove Formatting" button, which is the eraser one from the upper left. Sometimes formatting from copying the text over messes up the code.
2. Make sure you copied the entire thing. If you missed anything in the box it may mess it up.
3. Do you already have 2 images? Minecraft Forum signatures only allow 2 images in your signature at once. Try deleting one to make room. Additionally, you can only have 2 URLs (one is in the picture) and four lines of text. If you don't have enough space, see what you can get rid of to make room.

Still isn't working after checking those three things? Follow this link, copy the text, and paste it straight into your signature. That should work better. If all of that doesn't work, PM me or post here and I'll help you out as soon as I can.

Q: Hey, how do you have so many supporters? There aren't even as many comments as supporters!

A: I didn't think this would become an issue, but it's been asked quite a bit recently. My system for creating the supporter's list is taking those who leave a positive comment as well as those who +1 the post. Obviously, some people post and don't +1 and some people +1 and don't post. The list is taken from both, eliminating any duplicates. Because apparently a lot of people +1 and don't post, I have more supporters than comments. I have nothing to hide here, so if anyone wants to comb through the list for fake names, feel free .

More FAQs will be added as questions pop up repeatedly. If you have a question you want answered/think should be added, post with the question and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

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Alright, so there's this idea I've been working on for the past few weeks. You heard me, weeks. Basically, it's boats. Boats than you can make bigger, slap a name on, armor, choose what propulsion system it has, and carry stuff in.

Full idea in spoiler:

Boats Evolved; bigger, modular boats (Watch out --- huge!)

Okay guys. Just a slight disclaimer, the explanation for this idea is going to be *HUGE*. The idea itself may be simpler, but the description will take a long time to explain. In a nutshell, it's bigger boats that are also modular.
So we'll start with a slight modification of a game mechanic. Otherwise, the idea won't work very well. So just keep in mind that in this idea, you can't push a boat around by standing on top of it. At least just for the higher-level classes, which we'll get to in a minute.
Also, upon entering a boat, a GUI will appear somewhere around the bottom-right or so that displays the ships 'health', and speed.



Before we go overboard (no pun intended), let's begin with some basic principles that can be applied to the current boat. Let's call it the Dinghy. You can't do too terribly much with the Dinghy, but you CAN do some things.
Dinghies can be crafted just like they normally are. However to modify a boat, a new tool will have to be brought into the game. Let's say it's a Hammer. Right-clicking on a boat with a hammer, granted you're the one that built it will open up a GUI.



Like I said before the abilities with the Dinghy are limited, so you have limited things that pop up in the GUI. All that displays for now is the hull, propulsion system, and their respective health bars. You can also give your boat its own custom name that appears on its hull (But this probably won't be for the Dinghy). You will also notice two numbers at the top. On the left (12/12), is the boat's hitpoints. I doubled their damage resistance because I thought it was kind of silly to kill a boat with one arrow. To the right (1) is the ship's base speed attribute. That is to say, the speed capability of a boat, excluding the propulsion system. Boat stats will vary upon each construction. Therefore someone can be proud of themselves if they have made a fast/strong ship.

Normally, you have your standard, nonreinforced plank hull. However, you could change that. Let's start with a Reinforced Wood Hull. In the crafting table, put in 9 pieces of log together to form a piece of Reinforced Wood Plating. Dinghies will probably only need one plate to reinforce themselves. Plating will probably not be stackable for gameplay purposes.
Reinforced wood will provide a higher defense for the dinghy. Two more types of hull include Steel and Gold. Steel Plating requires 4 Iron blocks in the crafting table, and Gold likewise. With a steel-plated hull, the boat can take considerably more damage than Plank or Wood. Steel hulls can possibly withstand lava. Gold plating is only slightly stronger than Reinforced Wood and is not feasible as battle armor. However, just in case you were thinking these hulls are easy to reinforce, keep in mind higher levels will need more plating as they get bigger.



When a boat is damaged, simply right-click with the Hammer to open up the GUI. There should be a slot for extra plating to go in should the ship need repair. To ensure fair fights, the repair will be timed, like a furnace. Each repair uses up the Hammer some. It would also be nice to see some sort of visual cue for an almost-destroyed ship, like fire or a broken, damaged texture.

And now, the propulsion systems.

With the default dinghy, you have your Hands. Hands for a dinghy are basically neutral, however they will be slower than in previous versions of the game.
An alternative solution, is craftable Oars. Oars are very maneuverable and faster than hands, however they do not grant a steady speed and require you to hold down the forward button whenever you want to move. They may even 'tire' you out more (using up more Hunger).



The last one for the Dinghy, is the sail. Sails can provide very fast speeds, however they have low thrust and are not easy to slow down and speed up easily. A steady speed is required for traversing around land-covered areas. Sails can also possibly be made with different colored wool, to help a boat stand out. Sails grant a steady speed as you can leave them unattended with very little deceleration.



So now we move on to a bigger boat. Not too terribly big, but we're getting there.

To construct larger ships and propulsion systems, you're going to need an alternative to the crafting table. Let's just call it the Shipwright. This block ONLY crafts boats and takes up more blocks of space.



I think for a new level of boat, you're going to need some Blueprints. Blueprints can most likely be created by interacting with the Shipwright by combining a blueprint (Or in this case, a solid Dinghy) and investing your Experience Points to come up with a new 'idea' for a bigger boat. The 'studying' is timed, again, like a furnace, and with each clump of EP filled, the progress bar is filled some. You can also find Blueprints in dungeons, but only rarely.
After that will be done, the Blueprints can be put in a separate slot, with another slot under it. The slot under it is for the wood required to build the boat. Every time you put more wood into the slot under it, the progress bar for the ship increases. I'm not sure if this should be the way but it sounds pretty good.
I think that for each class of boat, a bigger mast will need to be crafted. That, or just have one single mast that, for bigger boats, you need to pack in more Sails. Kind of like how plating works.



So now, the next level: the Skiff.

The skiff is *about* 2 1/2 times the length of the Dinghy. However, with the next level comes new features. First off is a second slot, a passenger seat if you will. But besides that, there are two more features.



Here, there will be special lots to place blocks at. These could be something decorative like gold blocks, or practical, like chests.



To place a block in there, logically you would right click on that one place with the block. It's possible the block lot will be highlighted by the Hammer to show you where you can place things. To get it out, leftclick with the Hammer and it will appear in your inventory. If blocks aren't your fancy, perhaps animals are. Here is where the extra space in the GUI comes in. There would be a list of all the entities in the boat. If they are NPCs, you can choose to move them to another slot, or evict them. You can also evict players, but not move them[amended].



With the Skiff, you have an additional propulsion system. I'm not sure about this one so I'm going to need you guys' approval. Essentially, it is a steam-powered paddlewheel. The steam engine will need to be powered by coal, which will either have a furnace-like GUI or not. It is also be slightly less maneuverable than the Sail. The steam engine, like Sails, grant a steady speed and can be left unattended. They have perfect acceleration, however they are much slower than Sails.



For armoring, the Skiff will need more plates to sufficiently armor the boat. Possibly two or three.
The skiff will most likely be the largest boat to successfully navigate shallow marshlands and the like.



Now, for the adventurous sailor, we're going to go one step up. Meet the Cog. The Cog is a fair-sized boat, but it is hardly big. What is does have though is a top deck large enough to walk upon. Now, we're going to introduce another feature. This time, the Cog will have a lower deck. You could be able to place a few blocks in that bottom deck, such as beds and chests. This will be good for long adventures. If you aren't spoiled, you would be happy with a Cog for your adventuring needs. Hands are now unusable.
For gameplay, an invisible, penetrable box will be in the interiors of the ship that hides water and its effects when water blocks go near it, but as soon as they leave the water blocks return to normal.



Now here, starting with the Cog, is the boat's main means of offense and defense. You guessed it, the Cannon. I believe the cannon could be made with a crafting table. To fire (And right now I'm making most of this up as I go along), you must first craft a Cannonball (Maximum of 16 allowed in hand), and right click on the cannon. The cannon will fizz for about 2.5 seconds or more before firing the cannonball. You must wait an additional second to fire again. To adjust the angle of a cannon, rightclick it (without a cannonball) to point the cannon up or down.



Now with ships and other entities, contact with the cannonball will just equal damage being dealt. But with blocks, there is a chance (Depending on their blast resistance) that the block being hit, and/or the blocks around it will be pushed forward and respond to gravity. And in rare cases, break upon falling.
That, or it would just be a weak form of TNT. But I like the former better. Mostly because it's my idea. Good gosh I think I'm vain or something.
So like I said, if you aren't spoiled, you would be happy with a Cog for your adventuring needs.



But sometimes, you ARE spoiled. Or, just requiring a bit more power. That's where the fourth level comes in, behold: the Carrack. Significantly larger than the other boats, this one can actually be called a ship. It has 3 decks. The first being the top deck (Which comprises of the main deck, quarter and poop, naturally), the second the gun deck, which to the back holds the captain's quarters, and the bottom deck is mainly for cargo. If the Carrack is steampowered the boiler room will be in there.





Oars are now unusable for the Carrack, as are Hands for Cogs. (The Oars for the Cogs would be weaker than on the Skiff and Dinghy, as would hands with the Skiff. However with the Steam engine and Sail, they just get faster with each level, with exceptions [amended])
Another neat thing you get to do with the Carrack is you get to live up to the naval definiton of a ship. On the Carrack, you can place another boat inside it for scouting/lifeboats. But it can only be a Skiff or Dinghy.



Okay, next one. Here we go.



(This level is optional. You guys tell me if it should be ingame.)

Now sometimes, your lust for power is so great no measly Carrack can hold it; not even when it is steel-hulled and armed to the teeth. No, you wish for the very seas to obey your will. Well, you psychopath, here's the fix for you: Feast your eyes sir, on the Galleon. Over twice the size of a Carrack, four long decks and plenty of guns, you would not want to war with this vessel. It is essentially a Carrack on steroids; bigger, stronger (but not faster [amended]), and scarier. But, slightly slower. Should you decide to armor it, keep in mind it will need 8 Platings to armor (Maybe more). And considering each plating requires 4 blocks to fill, you're going to need a LOT of iron.



When a ship finally loses all of it's 'health', it will sink to the bottom of the sea. Here, it is subject to despawn, but will stay there as long as there is a player near it. Although dangerous, it would then be available for looting, if you haven't plundered the ship while it was afloat already. < --- This entire paragraph is subject to discussion and alternative options. It's also been proposed that the ship turn into it's block counterpart, only leave chests, or like in the Amendment Posts, leaves a Ship's Bell that can serve as a savegame for your ship.

Now, I understand that such a feature is going to be *HUGE*, possibly requiring its own update, and would be just a massive undertaking. But I for one believe it will be an undertaking worth the effort. It would heighten the spirit of Minecraft adventure and exploration, people could trade vast amounts of resources over long distances, and plunder other ships for their booty. So I'm not 100% expecting this to be accepted entirely (But if it is, thankyouthankyouthankyou!), but in the future if any modders were curious about how to go about doing their ship mod, this could be a good example. But I really hope this would at least be seen by Mojang. Just two-thirds into completing this idea, I read an old tweet of Notch saying that he might add something like this in the future. So, if you are, this could be one of the ways to go about it.


Any questions?

Amendment Post 1:
- In the Shipwright GUI, the product slot of the boatbuilding section is now a button. I've updated the image.

- Craftable ship components should have been expanded. In addition to a Galley, an Anchor component (probably most vital) is also one of them. Also proposed by the community are tables, crows' nests (That basket thing on the top of masts), icebreakers, and if the NPC crew idea is implemented, a sea captain's desk to chart courses for the helmsman.

- I actually think you should be able to move players. I mean, if they actually decided to choose to lock themselves in a mob slot rather than move around freely I think the captain should be free to move them wherever.
Amendment Post 2:
- Galleons really shouldn't be the fastest ships out there, it would be unfair. Instead, their base speed capability should be a tiny bit slower than a Carrack, probably. Updated.

- Right clicking on a cannon without a cannonball could point the cannon up/down. Updated.

- Different types of ships that do not follow the linear 5-level path of upgrades. Instead, 'extra' ship blueprints could be found in dungeons in strongholds, but they would be rare. Could be a way to get Caravels and viking ships or whatnot.

- I'm not sure about the decay process of sunken ships. Perhaps after someone leaves the ship's general area, a timer starts and eventually the ship will despawn. Or maybe it just stays there forever but can be 'mined' away to recollect valuable materials.
Amendment Post 3 (Note: These are not as important as the first 2) :
- Flags. Although I'm sure colored sails can do a good job of faction identification, custom-made flags would be really great to have. They could be used outside of boats, too.

- Extra ammo types. The standard cannonball would be made of stone and gunpowder, but others could be made out of iron and other materials. The new usable fireball coming 1.2 would also make a neat incendiary addition. Other types can inclde grapeshot and chainshot.

- Sea monsters. Pretty straightforward, I'd like to see some minor sea bosses when roaming the sea. But in my opinion, they should be restricted to certain sizes of ships (Dinghies have no bosses). For example the ship the size of a Skiff would probably only get a shark or something, whereas something Cog-sized would get sharks and sea serpents, medium-sized ships like the Carrack would get sea serpents and maybe giant octopus (Will wrap tentacles around the ship and begin to tug down unless tentacles are damaged), etc...They are, however, uncommon.

- A ship's bell. Yes, they can be used as a normal bell, but there's something that makes them special. Once placed on a ship, it bears the ship's name and can ONLY be placed on that ship (e.g Bell of the S.S Whatchamacallit). Then, if a sunken ship despawns, that bell is turned into a block at the bottom of the ocean and contains all of the ship's data. Then, it can be used to recreate the ship.

- Sea obstacles. The ocean would be made that much better if occasionally you stumbled upon a mini-biome within an ocean. These could be mysterious sea rocks, or icebergs made of pack ice where a tundra or arctic biome would usually be.

And the Reddit post is here:

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9/12/11: Silent Night by pwned1711

We decided to start off the Featured Pack of the Week by highlighting a developing pack by an individual who is new to the community. We present:
Silent Night by pwned1711
42and19 wrote an article on Silent Night. You can read it here.
This pack is still a work in progess but has great potential. I personally enjoy the wood textures and windows.


Here are a few screenshots of his pack in action on my personal server

9/19/11: Deuteros 128x by Dante80

Dante80’s Deuteros 128x

Please post on here with any feedback and screenshots you have for this pack


42and19’s Examiner Articles can be found here:
Part 1
Part 2

Screenshots of this pack in action:

10/3/11: Repticraft 16x by Theevilpplz

Repeticraft 16x by Theevilpplz (click picture below to go to download thread!)






















Click here to read 42and19’s interview with Theevilpplz about Repeticraft!

10/10/11: 21st Century-craft 16x by dr_pootis

Featured Texture Pack of the Week (10/10/11): 21st Century-Craft 16x by dr_pootis (click picture below to go to download thread!)





42and19’s Examiner articles on the pack of the week can be found here and here.
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10/17/11: Mirtazapine Augmented Reality 128x/256x by Pdeobear

Featured Texture Pack of the Week (10/17/11): Mirtazapine Augmented Reality 128x/256x by Pdeobear (click picture below to go to download thread!)




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10/24/11: Isolation 64x by appleslinky

Featured Texture Pack of the Week (10/24/11): Isolation 64x by appleslinky (click picture below to go to download thread!)





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11/07/11: Chromatose 16x-64x by thecrazydudesrd

Featured Texture Pack of the Week (11/07/11):thecrazydudesrd’s Chromatose 16x-64x!(click picture below to go to download thread!)




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11/30/11: Thistle Pack 32x by Thistle

Featured Texture Pack of the Week (11/30/11):Thistle’s Thistle Pack 32x (click picture below to go to download thread!)]





42and19’s Examiner article on the pack of the week can be found
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12/06/11: DMpack 32x by DMc298

Featured Texture Pack of the Week (12/06/11):
DMc298’s DMpack 32x (click picture below to go to download thread!)





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04/02/12: Dithered Delight 16x by Danori

Danori’s Dithered Delight 16x





(click picture below to go to download thread!)





Dithered Delight by Danori is a 16x dream come true for those who want something more detailed than a simple pack yet brighter and more playful than a realistic pack.
Dithered Delight successfully hits the sweet spot right in this range, giving Minecraft a bright, happy atmosphere while still retaining some bits of wonderful detail. The cactus, for instance, is one of my personal favorites in this regard. Never before have I felt compelled to decorate with cactus! The water is also unexpectedly wonderful—rather than jumping on the Doku bandwagon and attempting to show criss-crossing lines of light, the water in this pack gives the impression of wide, gentle waves, which looks especially cool in oceans and waterfalls. Grass, dirt, longgrass, and flowers all have a fantastic synergy together-- bright and detailed yet still maintaining an impression of smoothness-- that makes grassy plains especially delightful to look at.
Although the GUI and items have yet to be finished, the terrain and mobs are still a nice treat that more than make up for the absence, especially the dramatically shaded ghast. Dithered Delight is definitely a pack everyone should try at least once.




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Good Morning MineCrafters! Welcome to Day... 1625+ of the suggestion
(Name Changed From: OFFICIAL GOLD GOLEM THREAD)

Quote from Sacheverell

.Surprisingly solid idea you have there. Not sure how much work it would be for Mojang to program it, but definitely interesting.

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When I found a pyramid it was just too easy to get my 11 gold, 2 emeralds, 3 diamonds, 12 iron, and 9 TNT. there needs to be something more to protect it. Such as "Desert Guardians" AKA "Gold Golems".

Health Points
200 (x100) (Debatable)

Armor 4 ()

-Includes Boss Health Bar

-They do not: Take fall damage, Drown in Water or Burn in fire/Lava
-Slow healing factor so that you can't attack then wait a long time then attack again

-High resistance to ranged attacks
Attack Strength
Melee Strike:

Easy 4 () Medium 6 () Hard 8 ()
Charge Attack:

Easy 7 () Medium 9 () Hard 11 ()
Laser Attack:

Easy 4 ()+ Medium 6 ()+ Hard 9 ()+

(see info below)
Spawn
-In Desert Temples
-Only ONE Gold Golem will spawn in the temple

-If a Gold Guardian generated as part of a Pyramid is killed, another will NOT spawn to take its place.
-The Golem WILL spawn in peaceful, but will stay inactive.
Drops
(5-10)(Why Gold? Because Ancient Egypt used Gold Plating on it's statues))
(3-6)(Why Lapis? EXCELLENT QUESTION! The golem has blue glyphs on it and i like Lapis)

( 1 )( Mob Head. Trophy/Used to create Inanimate Statues) (more info below)

( 1 )("Power Core". An Item Used To Revive The Fallen Boss) (more info below)

(Not so strange to think about now-a-days since the dragon can be re-summoned with a single purpose item)
Experience
50 EXP
(Iron Golems Drop 0)

(Wither Drops 50)

(Dragon Drops 1,200)

Movement
Rather slow unless charging

(more info below)
Does not need to jump to move up 1 block

Behavior
-The golem will stand dormant in the Pyramid like a statue until a player gets within it's line of sight

(10 Blocks), then it will "Wake Up" and attack the player.
(It will also awake if any chests within a 20 block radius are interacted with. Eyes are dark while Inactive)

Once awake, it's awareness of the player will extend 32? blocks.
If the player manages to escape, the Gold Golem will give up the chase and go back to its spawn point (or if target is killed).

It moves slowly, but when it gets close (5-8 blocks Ish?), it will begin its attack pattern:
-Attempting to Melee the player three times, raising it's arms for a moment then brings them down, giving about half a second to react and move away.

-After that, Its jaw will drop, the Eyes Glow Red and it will charge the player, making a low Roar as it attacks. This sprint can only be stopped by a wall (of at LEAST 2m tall) OR if the golem has charged for a distance of 10 blocks, causing a sort of bull fighter effect.
(Anything weaker than blast resistance 30 EXCEPT for sandstone/sandstone variants will be broken on impact. stones/sandstone will show damage cracks but never break from impact.)
-Finally, After it has come to a stop, It will look at the player, after a few seconds will shoot a beam from its mouth in a horizontal line with the player in the midpoint, causing a sort of sweep attack from left to right. (This laser will be able to break the same blockset as the charge attack, igniting any Mob/Player in its path as well as any blocks it comes in contact with. The point of this is to clear out possible barricades the player has built around it, or used to hide.)
-If the player cannot be reached for Melee attacks (Like, being stuck in a hole or a small doorway) The Golem will go strait to using its Charge (To break a wall that's possibly blocking it), Then continue with the Laser.

Gold Golems do not attack random monsters because random monsters don't want to steal treasure. A Gold Golem's primary purpose is to defend Pyramids from raiding players

(But using one as a guard in your prison/gladiatorial battle/boss for your dungeon, is also GREAT!)
(And Because they only target players they cant be used to make mob grinders to get items easier.)

WHY ATTACK PLAYERS?:
Gold Guardians are meant to protect Pyramids from THIEVES (Players) As Iron Golems protect Villagers from zombies.

(And YES, Players are thieving from the pyramid, there is no way to sugar coat it. You tomb raiding player you......)

Gold Guardians do not attack random monsters because random monsters don't want to steal treasure.A Gold Guardian's primary purpose is to defend Pyramids from raiding players (But using one as a guard in your prison/gladiatorial battle/boss for your dungeon, is also GREAT!)
And Because they target players they cant be used to make mob grinders to get items easier.
They do not; Take fall damage, Drown in Water or Burn in fire/Lava

The Guardian Can NOT Be Tamed!
(The Purpose of the Golem is to attack players. NOT RANDOM MONSTERS! If you want that then make IronGolems. Not Going To Debate It.)

Crafting A Statue/Reviving the Boss.

To craft An Inanimate statue place the dropped boss's head onto a T of gold blocks.

To revive, use the "Power Core" on the statue to bring it back to life with a mighty roar and a short "Boot up" time

Here is a Concept model done by

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If you have been to one of these temples. you will see THIS BLOCK all over. It is the reason for the creeper faces and the Lapis bands. There ya have it.

I will not make a poll. This thread has had a number of polls, each having up to a thousand "yes" votes, so I don't find much of a reason to make one.

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Really dull around here, I did post a topic in the suggestions section about this. Hope i don't get a infraction.
26th: I did, thank god I didn't get any infraction points though.

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As some of you may have noticed, I am no longer actively supporting this suggestion (although I'd still like to see it in-game). That means no new content will be added to this thread. Thanks for all the support! I'm surprised this thread is still alive.

For the lazy ones:

To modders:

Okay, so... I was thinking about new decoration blocks to be added in minecraft, when I thought about skull candles.

These ''candles'' would be crafted with a torch on top of a skull. They will both serve as a new light source and a decoration. Breaking a skull candle would give back a skull and a torch. They would also generate in strongholds and at the bottom of desert temples.

There is also a Nether variant: the Wither skull candle (very original name *cough*)! They are crafted the same way as a normal skull candle (but with a Wither skull) and breaking them gives back a Wither skull and a torch. They wouldn't generate anywhere, because it would be too easy to get wither skull to spawn The Wither. It would also be impossible to spawn the Wither with them.

Both types will be destroyed if water or lava attempts to flow through the skull candles. Like heads, they can be placed in 16 different directions and on walls. However, you cannot wear it on your head.

There is a Redstone variant for both the normal Skull and the Wither one. Like normal Redstone torches, they emit a dim light and give off Redstone power.

Appearances:

All these images were modified. It took me a long time to make them (though it doesn't look like it).
Normal:

Original:

•Torch on top

•Retextured torch on top

•Glowing eyes

•Glowing (Alternate)

Redstone:

•Torch on top

•Glowing eyes

Nether Variant (Wither):

Original:

•Torch on top

•Retextured torch on top

•Glowing eyes

•Glowing (Alternate)

Redstone:

•Torch on top

•Glowing eyes (I love this one)

Models:

These are models, so they're just the object itself, so no background, effects, ect.
Normal:

Oh ho ho!! Didn't expect that, did you?

Again... why not?

Wither:

Well, I wasn't going to skip this one!

Last one. I promise.

Crafting Recipes:

(Idea based on a suggestion from Kitteh6660, or someone else, I don't really remember...)
This section shows the different crafting recipes for the different Skull Candle appearances, if they were all added in the game. For now, I'll just show the recipes for the Normal type. For the Wither type, the Skeleton Skull changes to a Wither Skeleton Skull and for the Redstone variant, the Torch changes to a Redstone Torch.



"The Candle one is too complicated". I thought that the two dyes could change the Torch's color, while the string represents the wick.

•Skull Candle



•Skull Candle (Redstone variant)



•Wither Skull Candle



•Wither Skull Candle (Redstone variant)

As suggested by PatDay, The redstone variant could be turned off by right-clicking, allowing for secret switches (however, to make the switch secret, it would only work with the glowing version of the Redstone Skull Candle).

What do you guys think? You may leave some feedback if you'd like to, I'm not forcing you.

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• Craft your armor and equip it no waiting.
• Possibility of multi table recipes that need both grids to craft something/s.
• Craft 2 stacks of torches at once. -Minebun321
• If you have everything in a crafting table except for a stick, you could use the 2x2 grid to make more sticks. -Warrior916

• Smelt you item then craft with them (e.g. iron to shears, cactus to green wool or different dyes,)

• Make fire charges to fill it as you need them, so you don't waste materials. - AnonTheMouse

• Enchant armor then equip it.
• Craft Shears and enchant them.

• Craft ingredients (e.g. sugar, blaze powder, magma cream, etc.) then brew with them.

• Buy armor and immediately equip it. - AnonTheMouse
• Break apart an Emerald block for use in buying

• Uncraft the material to start it from a storage block without having to pause after building the base. - AnonTheMouse

• Remove armor you have equiped work with it, either repairing or adding enchantments, then put it back on with no back and forth.

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