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Ok, I've tried your links and get an error... I try the program from the other thread and get an error. anyone have a corrected versions for the newest snapshot? (14w27b)

Quote from Random_Guy_32

I just mentioned it because the developers themselves already stated the new bonemeal is not balanced yet - it's a snapshot, don't forget - but still the people rant over it. Dinnerbone tweeted it two days ago and I posted this tweet here yesterday.

I looked over dinnerbone's tweets when this first come up, I didn't see it.
Your re-tweet message was posted after the message that I reply to, so I missed it.
Playing catch up is a kick in the bum.

Quote from Shera1979

I think the best solution for the bonemeal change controversy is to link it to the difficulty settings, so that for crops for example:
Peaceful = 1 bonemeal to full grown
Easy = 2 bonemeal to full grown
Normal = 4 bonemeal to full grown
Hard = 7 bonemeal to full grown

Why bother doing that? In peaceful mode you don't get hungry therefor there is no immediate need to grow a stalks of wheat (when you can't find anything else) The harder the game mode gets the faster you get hungry and the more damage mobs do to you so there is a more immediate need to get food. (The sound of a god's bellow, "Warrior needs food, Badly!", echos in the dungeon while running the Gauntlet) Making us need to use 7 bones to make 1 loaf seems off to me.

And yes, the only really matters in the start of the game when you're at your weakest, and there isn't anything else to eat. (which seems to happen to me a lot)

Quote from Random_Guy_32

Its just funny to watch all these people complaining about the very first version of an unfinished feature.

it's not complaining it's called feedback; if it wasn't for feedback then these unpopular unfinished features would be in the next version. just say'n.

Quote from Oventoaster

I for one endorse the bone meal nerf. I felt that once I killed a single Skeleton, I was set for food. Now, I will have to work twice or seven times as hard. Nerfing bone meal was a good move Jeb_. Keep it up!

Allow me to point out that since Skeletons were buffed in a previous update, they're now much harder to kill. Therefore bone meal is much more difficult to obtain, especially at the start of the game.

Looking at math of the game, it takes 7 bones (or 21 bone meal) to fast track 3 wheat to make 1 bread loaf; with 21 bone meal you can:

• You can fast track 10 oak trees, on those trees there are 24-32 leaves from those leaves there's a 1/200 chance of a red apple. From my tests I've gotten at least 2 apples from each test run of 10 trees. 2 apples fills more hunger points than of 1 loaf of bread and you get loads of wood as well.
• You can fast track 3 melon stalks getting an average of 5 melon slices from each stalk on the first harvest, and they will grow new melons. 15 melons fill 5 times more hunger than 1 loaf of bread.
• you can make a 10 huge brown mushrooms and 10 huge red mushrooms from those you can harvest an average of 15 mushrooms of each type. Now with a wooden bowl, you're set for mushroom soup for rest of the game.

So now it's a waste of time to fast grow wheat, you can let it grow normally for breading cows.

2. In looking at the game logically, a tree has a much larger mass than a stalk of wheat, therefore it would require more water, minerals and energy to create a tree over wheat. Therefore it should take less bone meal to make wheat than a tree.

I play hardcore mode 90% of the time, I say at least half the time I would have died from hunger if it wasn't for seed and a bone because there was nothing else to eat. This new bone meal nerf makes sky block maps, survivor island maps, desert maps and maps where beasts failed to spawn impossible to play. (honestly)

Solution
Wheat should have 2 growth stage (newly planted and full grown) so it would only take 1 bone meal to grow.
or just have an exception for wheat have it 8 stages but only 1 bone meal to grow.