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I can't see a single thing in this update that "ruins" minecraft. Including dying armor, I'm pretty stoked for that, can't wait to go around wearing green.

Was this whole rant supposed to be about that and adventure mode? Adventure mode is a CHOICE. You set up a map for people to try and go through. And guess what? People LOVE that. If you don't, don't use it. It's not like its being forced down your throat.

Lets apply this to a realworld example.

The bridge isn't finished, but people want to use it now. Guess we will let them. That will make them happy.

I voted for both yes and no, because I could.

I think scrolling in the map itself might be a bit advanced for the design (considering, how would you scroll? Scroll wheel won't work cause it would just switch items)

What I propose is this: Put a map, paper, quill, and ink in your crafting bar (any order) and you copy the map. At that point you can choose the scale. So you have zoomed out maps and close up maps being seperate. I think the way the game is currently set would support this better than scrollable maps, while still allowing us to have different levels of zoom.

Quote from nonolongo

I'm looking at this!
I'm going to try it right now.Also if you look in achievements about shooting a skeleton 50 meters away,well meters was spelled wrong!

Wrong? Let me give you a little lesson in how words can be spelt. There's one right there, perfectly acceptable, but you would probably say "spelt" isn't a word.

Meters is American. Metres is English/Canadian. We use this one. Same as words like colour with the 'u'. This is just how words were spelt before they were Americanized.

I'm thinking they need to upgrade how they change colors of similar items anyway, as right now it leaves things very limited. Half slabs for example, are all the same item with a different damage value for the texture, meaning that a stone slab and a wood slab are totally identical except for one digit. Because of this functionality any item they make with multiple textures is limited to using 16 textures. Wool is an example of this, as of right now we cannot have any other colors of wool, since we are already up to 16 colors. Now with slabs (for example), we already have stone, sandstone, wood, brick, cobble, and stone brick. That's 6 textures on 1 block already. If we were to add in the other 3 colors of wood, that would make it 9 textures. Say we also want glass slabs, nether brick slabs, and wool slabs (I think these are the most common requested). That puts us to 12. That means there is only room for 4 more types of half slabs, and if more types of building materials are added (marble? onyx? gemstones? who knows) then the remaining values will get used up real fast. So I think before they go about making all the colors and such available, they need to update how those colors are handled.

There is still a citation needed on this info so I wouldn't take it as fact yet.

Quote from Whiplashr

Your comments make me weep as a real programmer.

I will take my software development degree elsewhere then. Maybe to a place with where my Hello World apps can be happy.

Quote from izbbass

The new height won't (shouldn't) hurt your fps. It's all air above 128.

A statement like that makes me weep as a programmer. What do you think a stone block is? A block with stone properties (texture, collision, no transparency, etc). A dirt block is also a block, with different texture, etc. An air block is also just a block, it just doesn't have a texture, doesn't collide, and has transparency.

It takes exactly the same amount of memory to process an air block as it does for any other block.

This doesn't go here. Also I'm pretty sure Minecrafterz was already a previous youtube account flaunted around here a month ago, and was banned. If you are the same person this account won't last long either.

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Table of Contents:

Overview
Changes in how things work
Frequently Asked Questions
[WIP] The Cubic Chunks Mod!
Gallery
Supporting this suggestion
Special thanks

[spoiler=Tl:dr]Q: Won't this increase lag?
A: Absolutely not. The title of this suggestion and big red letters at the top of this post aren't lying. If you want to know how, then I suggest you actually read this post.

Q: Will this change terrain? Will this break existing worlds?
A: No. Terrain change is not necessary. Existing worlds can be converted fairly easily with a process described later in this post.

Q: How can sunlight or rain work with infinite vertical space?
A: I suggest you read Coping with sunlight, because it's too complex for a tl;dr.

Q: I have a different question but still don't feel like reading this post. What do I do?
A: Too bad, read the FAQ. I put way too much work into this for the entirety of it to be ignored.[/spoiler]

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Overview:

In Minecraft, the sky is the limit - literally. It doesn't matter how many thousands of blocks a player has traveled, or what dimension they're in, or even if they're playing in creative or survival, the highest they can ever build is up to a height of 256. Why is that? If Minecraft can have a world that's infinite in the north, in the south, in the east, and in the west, why can't that world be infinite up and down too?

In Minecraft's earliest days, in Classic and Indev, the world was not infinite in any direction. This was because the entire world needed to be generated at the same time, and the entire world needed to be simulated at the same time as well. This led to a conundrum - the bigger the world, the more it lagged.
Notch didn't like this. He knew his players liked to explore and build large creations, so he found a way to make the world truly infinite. When the Minecraft '' class='bbc'>Infdev came out, it brought with it truly infinite worlds. Suddenly, players could travel hundreds of thousands of blocks in any direction, and never encounter a barrier, or become too laggy.
The Infdev update brought about a very large change to Minecraft worlds to accomplish this feat. For the first time, instead every world being just a single huge piece, they were broken up into a two-dimensional grid of pieces, called chunks. Through breaking the world up into pieces, this 'chunk system' enabled infinite worlds by letting Minecraft create new pieces and simulate them only when it needs to.

Why does that not apply to the vertical axis? Because the type of 'chunk system' Minecraft uses right now is a linear one, which, by using only a two-dimensional grid to map out chunks, means that it is impossible for chunks to stack on top of one another, and by extension, meaning that a single chunk must cover the entire vertical space. This brings back the problem that the Infdev update was supposed to eradicate, now only with chunks, instead of an entire world; the bigger a chunk is, the more laggy it is. You can't just increase the height limit and make chunks taller, because it will become laggier, and laggier, and laggier to do it.
That's why, to fix this, Minecraft must change over to a cubic chunk system. Under this system, 16³ block chunks are aligned on a three-dimensional grid, completely eliminating maximum height as an aspect of lag.

The immediate benefits:
•Minecraft worlds become as virtually infinite vertically as they are horizontally: The absolute limit being Y = ±30,000,000.
•A large FPS increase: Alpha testers report an FPS increase of 100~200%.
•Increase in running capability: Computers running Minecraft on Tiny render distance will handle only 30% the blocks they do now.

The possible features:
•Spherical render/load distance: Reduce handled blocks by up to 30% by cutting corners made of unneeded chunks.
•Server chunk occlusion/exclusion: Reduce bandwidth usage and defeat hackers by only sending data for visible chunks.
•Three-dimensional biomes: Save biome data per chunk rather than per block column, create volcanoes with magma chambers, underground rivers, tropical skylands floating over icy taigas, and more.

The disadvantages:
•Unloaded gravity-pause: Falling non-player entities and fluids will be forced to pause their fall if they reach unloaded chunks, but will resume falling when those chunks are loaded.
•Slow falling-pause: Players with slower computers and smaller render distances will have falling occasionally paused as they fall into unloaded chunks, until new chunks can be loaded.

The problems:
•Current sunlight and rain calculation methods cannot work with infinite vertical space: The solution to this is described here.
•Current BiomeDecorator cannot work with multiple vertical chunks simultaneously: The BiomeDecorator code must be altered to function correctly with this, or removed.
•Current cave generation method is executed an extra time for each vertical chunk created simultaneously, leading to lag spikes on world generation: Cave generation's method must be altered to suit this system more.
•Current grass/dirt generation algorithm forces additional chunk requests when chunks are loaded, causing chunks to load slower than they should: This algorithm must be replaced with something else.

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Changes in how things work:

Obviously, the implementation of this new chunk system will change quite a few things. These changes are mostly either necessary or in the interest of increased efficiency. Such changes are categorized and explained below.

How worlds will be stored:
[spoiler]How the current storage works, and what changes:
Interestingly enough, the current method of storage, the Anvil format, is derived from the storage method that the original Cubic Chunks mod used. The Anvil format stores individual chunk as a series of 16³ quasi-cubic chunks. These 'fake' cubic chunks allow for easier reference of specific data, but they still can't be separated from each other, meaning that it fails to reap the full benefits of this system. Even so, the change allowed Mojang to double the maximum height with no performance hit. Chunks are stored in groups of 32², inside 'MCRegion' files, for a total of 1024 chunks.
By nature, cubic chunks does away with the 'quasi-cubic' nonsense. In terms of chunk grouping, instead of using groups of 32³ chunks, new "3DRegion" files would contain groups of 16³. This means each 3DRegion file contains 4096 chunks, four times as many as MCRegion files. However, each 3DRegion contains only one fourth the amount of blocks. For per-chunk positional metadata, 3DRegion files would use the same number of bits as MCRegion files, after compression. Calculations show that the same area encompassed by a single MCRegion file would consume 64 kilobytes of extra space with 4 3DRegion files, which is nothing.

Converting existing worlds:
Most people are probably wondering something like "But won't this totally destroy all existing worlds?". Absolutely not; conversion could not be simpler. When a non-cubic world is loaded after the implementation of this system, a conversion process will begin and convert the entire world at once(To avoid making chunk loading take longer during play). First, all existing MCRegion files will be divided into quarters to create 3DRegion files. Then, all existing chunks are divided into sixteenths using the quasi-cubic properties to identify boundaries. After that, conversion is done.

The "isEmpty" flag optimization:
A 1-bit flag is added to each chunk, named "isEmpty". If the chunk consists of 100% air blocks, this bit is 1, any other case makes it 0. When the bit is 1, all data for the chunk besides the isEmpty flag is deleted and ignored, which reduces filesize. Empty chunks are never loaded, and locations where they occur are merely simulated as entities reside in them. The chunk will only load when something requires saving inside it.[/spoiler]

Changes to terrain, ores, etcetera:
[spoiler]Terrain:
By default, nothing will change. Small bits of terrain generation code need to be reconfigured to work properly with Cubic Chunks.

Biomes:
By default, nothing will change.

Ore generation:
By default, nothing will change.

Structures:
By default, nothing will change.

The Void:
After conversion to Cubic Chunks, the void and bedrock layer will still exist and generate as they always have. However, the void(Not the bedrock layer!) will not exist as a hard limit and is able to be moved, but not removed, by editing an associated NBT data tag inside a world's level.dat. This feature, that allows for increasing the maximum depth, is intentionally disabled without external programs, to prevent terrain change of any sort. It is intended to be used by experienced mapmakers and world generation mods only.

Superflat settings:
Existing superflat worlds will not change. However, new superflat worlds will gain a new decoration parameter, 'void'. Inclusion of this parameter will cause the void to form below the lowest defined layer. Exclusion of it will cause all layers below the lowest defined layer to copy the settings of that layer.[/spoiler]

Coping with sunlight:
[spoiler]There used to be a solution here, but it wasn't deemed good enough by Jeb. Suggest solutions in this thread.[/spoiler]

Changes to servers:
[spoiler]Settings:
There's a setting inside the Server.properties file called 'max-build-height'. The setting makes it impossible for any player to place or remove blocks above that height.
With the implementation of Cubic Chunks, a new setting named "maximum-generation-depth" would be added. The void, bedrock layers, and magma layers will generate normally at and above the Y level designated by the value of this setting.

Chunk occlusion/exclusion:
Using the raytracing methods already available in the code and used for explosion calculations, servers can identify which chunks are visible to a player, within safe assumptions, and only send the data for those chunks. This both reduces bandwidth usage, and cripples the usefulness of X-Ray cheats.[/spoiler]

Render/Load distance alterations:
[spoiler]After the implementation of Cubic Chunks, view distances' radii will apply to the vertical axis too. This reduces handled blocks in the cases of tiny and short render distances, and increases them in the cases of normal and far render distances. This can be optimized by utilizing a spherical render distance instead of a cubic one, which would reduce handled blocks in all distances except Far.[/spoiler]

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Frequently Asked Questions:

[spoiler=FAQ]Q: This is impossible.
A: No it's not. See below.

Q: Is this available as a mod?
A: Not yet! But it will be!

Q: I like X-ray! What if I don't want it to be broken?
A: First of all, breaking X-ray hacks will only be possible to do in multiplayer. That said, the system that would break X-ray would be possible to disable by the server owner. If the owner doesn't disable the system, then they don't want you using X-ray, and you should not be doing what the server owner doesn't want in the first place.

Q: I play on a PvP/Anarchy/Raid/Faction server. Won't this system let people pillar up into the sky and create a base thousands of blocks in the air and never be found?
A: No.

Q: I like Minecraft's current height limits. What if I don't want to have an infinite sky or infinite underground?
A: If this system is added, all worlds will not automatically gain an infinite underground. As stated below, the Void will remain in all worlds, even after the conversion to Cubic Chunks. The ability to remove the Void will simply be there. As for infinite space in the sky, the current build limit is over one hundred blocks above any terrain that vanilla Minecraft can possibly generate. It is ENTIRELY your decision on whether or not you take advantage of this height. If you play on a server, like stated above, the server owner can set a maximum build height. If s/he doesn't, then don't play on their server - you don't play on servers where the server owners allow things you don't like. Why would you play on an anarchy server if you hate being stolen from and killed?

Q: Will this affect Redstone at all?
A: No. This system will simply make it possible to make larger redstone circuitry than before.

Q: Won't this break existing worlds?
A: No. Existing worlds can be easily converted by dividing each MCRegion file into 4 pieces, then slicing the existing 256 block-high chunks inside them into 16 individual chunks.

Q: Won't this affect mods? Won't mod authors have a hard time updating their mods?
A: The answer to this question depends solely on the answer to the following two questions: Do parts of the modification code rely on chunk data/metadata? Does the mod author want to take advantage of the features of the new chunk system? If the answers to the first and second question are both "No", then updating a mod to this system should be very easy and quick. If the answer to the first question is "Yes", then those parts of the code will need to be rewritten somewhat, but in most cases, the changes should be fairly quick and easy. The only time that it should be hard to update a mod to this system, is if the answer to the second question is "Yes".

Q: Won't this require a total rewrite of the mod API if that's released first?
A: No. Whether or not even a small part of the mod API needs to be rewritten depends on the way that it is implemented and whether or not there are API inclusions for chunk handling and other chunk-related behavior.

Q: Could a player fall into unloaded chunks if chunks aren't loaded fast enough?
A: No, they could not, and for several reasons. Minecraft has a terminal velocity, though it might not seem like it. This velocity is slower than it should take to load new chunks below the player. In cases with exceptionally slow computers, even if the player did manage to reach an unloaded chunk, their fall would be paused until that chunk can be loaded.

Q: What would happen when water, sand, or a mob falls into an unloaded chunk?
A: Nothing. The water/sand/mob would freeze in place until the chunk is loaded and it can continue moving. You can already see this same thing happening on the horizontal axis.

Q: What will happen to the Void?
A: It will still exist, along with all its effects. The only difference is that the Void is no longer a hard limit and it can be moved. After the conversion to Cubic Chunks, the Void's location will be stored in a world's ' class='bbc'>level.dat, and this location can be changed with NBT editing tools. When and where the Void exists, chunks will cease to generate.

Q: Will this affect terrain?
A: No. However, terrain generators will gain the ability to use infinite height.

Q: Will this affect ore generation?
A: No. Ore is a part of terrain generation. As stated above, terrain will not be changed.

Q: Won't all current terrain generators be incompatible with this system and need to be rewritten?
A: No. Terrain generators work independently of chunks. When a chunk is generated for the first time, it calls the terrain generator and receives a specific section of the resultant terrain to save inside itself. Because of this, some custom terrain generators can generate steep terrain all the way to Y256, where you can experience a large, flat cut-off. Since there are no chunks above Y256 to call the terrain generator for terrain, no terrain exists there.

Q: What would happen if there's a huge solid ceiling so far above you that it is unloaded? Wouldn't you just see the sky, just with everything being completely dark?
A: Yes. This already happens on the horizontal axis, and it is an issue with sky rendering, not this chunk system. As such, this has nothing to do with this suggestion. Please do not post about this.

Q: If you go deep underground, will your plants grow/ores smelt/animals grow?
A: No, because those chunks would be unloaded, just as if you had walked far away. This is a flaw with any chunk system, regardless of shape. It is a necessary evil that allows Minecraft to have infinite worlds. The only way to fix this would be to introduce a separate new system that works with chunks as they are loaded and unloaded. This suggestion deals with the chunk system itself, and not sister processes. Because of that, that is outside of the scope of this suggestion. Please do not post about this.[/spoiler]

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[WIP] The Cubic Chunks Mod! (Tall Worlds Mod):

Cuchaz has taken it upon himself to bring us the glorious Cubic Chunks, since Mojang refuses to do so.

Cuchaz is using a API of his own creation to help assist in the making of this mod, and he's quite far along, as seen in these two tech demo videos:
[spoiler=T-Demo 1: Vertical chunk loading][/spoiler]
[spoiler=T-Demo 2: Broken height cap and no lag!][/spoiler]
With the basic functionality in place - a complete overhaul of the basic chunk system, and height limit removed - this whole concept can already be considered proven. What remains is making sure everything else functions correctly under the new chunk system. In any case, stay tuned for future updates if it interests you(If it doesn't, then you are the weakest link - goodbye!).

You can follow the mod's development in much more depth in its very own topic!

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Gallery:

[spoiler=A mountainside with an experimental engine using Cubic Chunks designed by Nocte. 960 block view radius, and 30 FPS.][/spoiler]
[spoiler=A different view of the mountainside with the same engine by Nocte. This time, with 1600 block view radius and 15 FPS.][/spoiler]
[spoiler="A video demonstrating Nocte's engine."]

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Please help us get word out of this suggestion! Share this with your friends, with Minecraft celebrities if you're familiar with them, or even with Mojangsters like Jeb or Dinnerbone! (Do not share this with Notch. Notch doesn't work with Minecraft anymore.)

The purpose of this suggestion is to have Cubic Chunks implemented in Vanilla. Being available as a modification does not fulfill that purpose. The modification featured in this suggestion is to act as a proof-of-concept only(Note: Its being featured here is to act as a proof-of-concept. The modification itself is on its way to becoming a fully fledged modification).

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Special thanks:
Cuchaz, for taking Barteks' proof and running with it, to give us a truly functional Cubic Chunks mod.
Barteks2x, for updating the Cubic Chunks mod to 1.6.2, proving that it is possible.
Azraile, for posting the original suggestion and allowing me to take ownership of it.
Nocte, for helping resolve flaws and designing Hexahedra.
MineCrak, for a large amount of valuable insight and enthusiasm into the topic of Cubic Chunks.
aaronfranke, for helping resolve flaws.
PanJouda, for creating the original banner.
Flexico, for creating the predecessor to the current banner.
laz2727, for creating the current banner.
Robinton, for creating the original Cubic Chunks mod.
The_Watchman13, for answering all those stupid questions so I don't have to.

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Note: Many calculations and information can be found among the many posts of this topic. There are too many for me to cite here, but if you wish, you can search for them yourself.

I made a similar post on this topic awhile ago (http://www.minecraft...7#entry15068377), due to current events I thought an updated version was due.

Emerald Ore - "Rarity"
Once you know where to look it isn't that difficult to find and emeralds are not super rare at all.


Jeb's Tweets/Reddit
explaining why he removed emerald ore.

https://twitter.com/...119318612320256
https://twitter.com/...120954474762240
https://twitter.com/...125154822758401

"Many complain that emerald ore is too rare. It's intended to be a "nice find," not the main way to gain currency. Will remove it again." - Jens Bergensten

"I'm sorry, but it's really annoying to get the same complaint over and over again. This way it's less confusion; emeralds are only currency" - Jens Bergensten

http://www.reddit.co...e_again/c4t9nct

[–]Minecraft Lead Devjeb_ 111 points 6 hours ago

"Hehe there's actually logic to it =)
The reason I added emeralds in the first place was because I wanted to add a currency that I can "control." In other words, something that's exclusive to trading.
Then I decided that the emeralds could be found in really small amounts in the "extreme hills" biome, just as a nice surprise for people who mined there. The amount was really small, and it was really hard to find since it's were spread over a larger y-span. In other words, not worth the effort to search for, but a nice surpise if you happend to find it.
This lead to the situation where I received a lot of complaints that it took too much effort to find emeralds. I could of course ignore those complaints, but it's very annoying to see it popping up everywhere. I could have "fixed" that by making it easier to find, but then I would've ruined the basic idea to keep emeralds linked with trading.
So, now I decided to remove the ore from the world generator. This will hopefully lead to less confusion, and fewer complaints in the long run." - Jens Bergensten


Complaining

Complaining is a major problem here. I have noticed that many people in this community feel that MC should be made in their vision and anything that doesn't fit with their views are opposed aggressively. There is a huge difference between helping the developers, by pointing out bugs, or suggesting slight changes that might help the game work better and just complaining. This zealous opposition to change needs to stop. The developers don't need to implement your suggestions.

Jeb has given us a great new snapshot - a new ore, a new decorative block, a currency, villager trading, biome themed villages, pyramids, traps, a huge improvement to the gravel texture. How many posts have I read on here asking for villager trading, more desert content, jungle villages, more decorative blocks and ores? Countless.

So why all the complaining guys?!? Jeb gave the community exactly what they were asking for! And instead of thanking him for listening to the community and adding all of this great new content, everyone crapped all over him for it. Read Jeb's tweets complaining IS a big problem.

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Perhaps instead of more complaining to Jeb to change it back there should be an appology first because he really did a great job adding things that the community has been asking for. And please guys stop complaining. Like I said in my last post:


Great Work Mojang Team! I love the new content.

If I were Mojang, I would just stop developing Minecraft.

I'm not sure why they keep going when they have such an ungrateful community.

I normally wouldn't respond, but there seems to be a new thread like this everyday. In a nutshell, it is not the game, it is you.

Every game has a honeymoon, well the honeymoon is over, the cat is out of the bag so to speak. There is not going to be a hundred updates coming on the horizon, there never was gonna be. If you ask me I can't believe Notch made it this far, I mean this is a long time to be playing around with a game, that really doesn't have an end.

The man was able to come up with this very unique and interesting game, now it is time for him to move on and leave this in capable hands, so he can go make another unique and interesting game.

If you need over stimulation, then maybe minecraft is not the game for you. Even if you play creative mode, you still have to be imaginative, and that is where your excitement has to come from, you, not the game. I have been playing this game since Alpha, it is amazing how much it really has changed, but it is also amazing at how much it hasn't changed. Here are the basics, you build, you kill, you mine, and now you can make potions, or enchant. They are all the same basic thing, nothing has truly changed, so I love to play this game, because I find new ways to do all those things, I invent clever things to make life in the game easier, I go off on adventures once in a while to keep spice in the marriage. That is it, the game is going to be what it is, just like every other game out there.

When I was a kid, and you had to go to the arcade to play games you picked a couple of favorites, and you stuck to them and got good at them. Only then would you move on to something different. Seems like nowadays everyone has to have a new game every week, I mean, you don't even really get to learn game dynamics that way, maybe you don't even see what the game really is that way. Think of it(for those of you who have played rpgs)like this, if you played Phantasy Star, or Final Fantasy say 7, what could you possibly accomplish in a month? I have accomplished some things I want to do in this game, but I just come up with new challenges so I always have something to accomplish. If I happen to not want to play it, I will play one of the other games I happen to play.

Well, this could go on and on, but I just wanted to say a few words, food for thought lets just say.

For the sake of education, it is important to know what certain terms are and what they mean. People throw around words like "RPG" and "Sandbox" a lot without realizing they are contridicting themselves in their arguments.

Genre: What a game's core is, for example - Racing. Other examples of genre include:

Puzzle
Strategy
Horror
Role Playing
Action
Adventure
Shooter
Espionage
Hack n' Slash
Dungeon Crawlers

The list goes on. It is also not limited to just one type. It is common practice to mix different genres.

Design: How the game is played. Is it single player? Multiplayer? Does it have a linear story? Or is it sandbox? These are four major design questions a developer asks when making their game.

Linear basically means that the story and plot drives the player. The player does not have a whole lot of freedom to go off and do what he or she wants. Its point A to point B with little distraction on the way.

Sandbox is the opposite. There is a general direction that a player must go in order to proceed but they can choose not to and explore other parts of the game. How much freedom a player has is key here. It's not as if you're forced to do anything.

Examples:
The Legend of Zelda - Singleplayer, linear adventure/puzzle game. With the most recent Zelda games coming out it has moved onto the Action genre as well.

Fallout 3 - Singleplayer, sandbox action/RPG.

World of Warcraft - Multiplayer, sandbox RPG

Phantasy Star Online - Multiplayer, linear action/RPG

Borderlands - Multiplayer, sandbox shooter/RPG

Left 4 Dead - Multiplayer, linear survival/shooter

Now, Minecraft in it's current state is a single/multiplayer, sandbox creative/adventure game. It is easy to mix up adventure and RPG since adventure tends to borrow a lot of RPG elements. What makes an RPG is a main plot or story that drives the character and player to complete. An adventure game is more closely related to the idea of exploration.

A couple key points:
Alchemy - or also known as potion crafting. Crafting potions in a game mostly about crafting is not too far-fetched.

EXP orbs - Considering that the player doesn't level up skill and uses those orbs to enchant items instead, I believe it is more appropriate to call it Mana. In your average RPG, character leveling is crucial. Because that we don't level up specific skills, the game has no relation to RPGs. You also lose everything upon death so the character never truly grows.

It is still sandbox - Sandbox is not a genre and currently in 1.9 pre4 I can still make epic structures from scrap. In short, it is silly to say that it is going away from the sandbox when there is no story invovled or main plot that prevents a player's freedom of exploration and creation.

I thought about putting this in discussion but I figure that more people come here. Also I'm aware there are a couple of threads similar to this one, however, I'm here mostly to inform.

When I saw everyone on the forum discussing enchantments, I expected a very complicated and roulette-like system. I wanted to accumulate plenty of experience before experimenting with the effects, to ensure that I didn't get any of the "bad" ones that I had heard people complaining about. I figured the "bad" ones consisted of getting a damage bonus on a pickaxe, or an efficiency bonus on a sword, that kind of thing.

After a bit of experimenting and finally looking at the wiki, it would appear that there are no "bad" enchantments. All of them are helpful in different ways, and enchantments appear to be restricted to the tool for which they are meant. Fantastic! Now I don't have to worry so much! I can just stick in my pickaxe, cross my fingers, and hope I get a high-tier bonus!

This set me to thinking: What's making people complain about the effect they're receiving from an enchantment? Since they're all good, I just don't see a reason to complain about which one you get. You might not be getting the best one ever, but to expect the very best seems a bit odd, considering the way enchantments are acquired. The reason wasn't obvious to me right away, but here's what I came up with, and what I believe I understand:

People seem to be upset by the enchantments they receive because they are investing so much time into collecting experience and they don't get the specific enchantment they wanted. They set a goal in mind, such as getting Fortune III for their diamond pickaxe, and they work toward it. Playing with such gusto is a great thing, and it's even greater to see so many players who will invest so much time to achieve an in-game perk, but from what I can tell, that's not the way enchantments are meant to work, considering the mechanics. It seems that the most fulfilling way to go about enchanting is to simply play the game as usual, and if you notice that you've collected a fair number of levels, you can go turn them in for a prize.

I'm not posting this as a complaint to those who are grinding for enchantments, but simply as a suggestion that maybe that's not the playstyle they had in mind when they were designing the mechanics of it. If you find that you don't feel fulfilled by your experience grinding, try giving it up for a while. Instead of striving for a specific enchantment, just be ready to be happy about getting a bonus at all.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. I'd love to hear yours.

I don't give a damn on the dev's sexuality because it's
none of our business. You're all acting more childish than
the lowest age of people who can play Minecraft.
(im talking to the members who post/reply with stupid crap)

But on topic, let me give you an example:
SquareEnix, a multi-million dollar company, announces a game
and it takes them 2 years to release it. It's made by a hundred or so
developers and staff and it takes them that long to release a game.
First, SquareEnix has a lot of money to begin with. Second, they charge
their games around $50-$60. Third, they have their own writers and directors
to guide the development until it's release.

This is a f***ing OPEN COMMUNITY.
This is an indie F***ING game.
You can tell all your requests and ideas and the devs here may want to take
it.
But NEVER EVER complain about it's incomplete features because brainstorming
alone is contributed by millions of people. Square doesn't care about what
fans want in their games. They just build games from a director's standpoint.

This is an OPEN WORLD game. There will ALWAYS be features that will be
incomplete and not implemented LONG after release. If it was a console game,
where it comes with a cartridge or disc where you CANNOT UPDATE anymore, then
that's where you complain.

Kids.

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no a queen is someone who can either be drama queen which is someone always creating drama out of any little thing or can be queen as in someone who is flamboyant ie exactly what I have been saying the entire time.... that I think his head wear is flamboyant and over the top... it is borderline drag queenish I would even think... he'd just need a wig or something.

drag queen is not a damn drama queen. All this seems like you're stumbling in your attempt to backpedal out of your total unacceptable prejudice ******** on how people dress.

He makes the hunger bar, people complain about how they don't want to be hungry. He makes food easier to get, people complain that it's too easy to not be hungry.

This forum depresses me.

I read OP, but it was weird, all I could see was:
"I have an extremely uninformed opinion and Im making a topic to complain about something that an extremely small minority dislikes, assume that everyone agrees with me, in hopes that perhaps Notch will read this one whine topic out of the million others and hope with all my heart that Notch will suddenly realize that his original idea for the future of Minecraft is completely wrong and remove what I dont like, despite the fact that its optional."