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Quote from RowdyArt

I understand where your coming from, but re-texturing all the items like that would ruin the blocky theme Minecraft has used since the beginning that most long time players have hopefully grown to love.

Ask people to imagine all tools and itens without black outline... because now that food has changed, everything must be changed to be consistent. Say goodbye to your beloved blocky theme!

Oh... and even now, a couple months from the gravel texture change, a lot of people still think that they look like crap. But complaining about it has grown old, that's why they are silent about it.

In this case, time doesn't heal the open wound... you just get used to the pain.

Quote from cadika_orade

I just had an idea:

Suppose the XP nerf is added as a server option? That way server admins have a simple way to either prevent or allow XP grinding as they please.

As for SSP... just don't build a grinder. If you complain about grinders, and then go and build one yourself... you have issues. o_O

This is a good solution.

Quote from Overlord93

Oh no, someone finds something I don't like fun???!?? Remove it from the game immediately, everyone should enjoy minecraft the way I do.

This post is so true.

People feel threatened by players that take the time to create a contraption that gives them advantage. Instead of leveling up to the challenge, they want others to be leveled down.
And let me make this clear... contraptions that are completely legit, take time and resources to be built and that only uses game mechanics as implemented.

I agree that is not fun.
I agree with destroying it on pvp servers if you do not like it.

Anyway, I agree with bluevein's post. The greater problem is not with XP farms in general, but with spawner-based ones, which require only a small effort and risk, almost zero resources to be built... so the risk vs reward is unbalanced in this case.

In other cases, people are whining because some nerds are spending hundreds of hours on their server to gain easy xp. They don't want to do that too, and they don't want to change to another server (xpgrinder-prohibited), so they want people to be leveled down. PS: I'm not one of those nerds.

This is kind of a trademark of Mojang trying to "fix" something.
Remember Enchantments.... there was a time when people was unsatisfied with enchanting because you had to spend 5 hours of grinding (without dying) to reach level 50 (and wouldn't even guarantee a good enchantment)... unless you had a mob-trap to cut the time to 20-30 minutes.

Mojang then changed it to the complete opposite, making leveling arithmetic progression, xp from ores and spawners and max-level 30.
After that people complained that was then TOO easy. Now everyone reached level 30 within 5 minutes of mining coal in the nearby cave.
So for the third time Mojang had to rework enchantment balance to please the players.

Now, in a analogy, "once upon a time, fire would spread like crazy and people complained... Mojang decided to nerf it... but they nerfed it TOO much and then people complained again, so they decided to turn it back to something similar to what it was before the nerf... but it was TOO powerful and destroyed florests and houses easily so now people complain".

With the enchantment, Mojang decided that a middle-term (half arithmetic, half geometric progression) was the best balance and that pleased the players and ceased the complaints.
When will they notice that with the fire the middle-term would be the best?

Thanks Dinnerbone!!

Once I made a post listing all the positive aspects of using the saddled pig instead of horses as mounts! Finally it will come true!

The different foods for different animals is a great suggestion!

He shoots arrows with a sword??
Now that's something strange!

Quote from DontStealMyBacon

Really? Hmm, if it was me I'd prefer corner stairs and not what you have pictured. Anyway I would assume that they would be like minecart tracks so they wouldn't change after being placed.

Uhmm... so if your house is close to your neighbor's house, you'd connect your roof to his into a single roof?
Cool... I wonder who will pay for the roof repair when you need it.

ps: I hope you're right on that!

Wow I'm really excited about lectures!!!

Right after writeable books were added this was one of the first two things that came into my mind. But my idea was that books would be placeable anywhere you want, just like cakes and brewing stands, etc.

Next thing was bookshelves as book containers (so obvious, but yet to be added)

While at first I thought the experiment was valid, Hayarotle's post convinced me otherwise and ended this thread WITH LOGICAL, REASONABLE ARGUMENTS.

Cadika is proudly stating that his experiment was scientific, and he was doing science... but forgets that science is based on repetition and multiple test samples.
I believe that deep inside his subcounsciouss mind he knows that because he ignored every post that asked for VIDEO samples instead of SINGLE FRAMED IMAGES.

It's easy to be mistaken trying to identify framed images that lack the same various features that make beta and 1.3 terrain so different, and the same features that are asked by hundreds of people to be re-inserted in the game.
This features were listed by Hayarotle on his excelent post, that has yet to be replied by Cadika. But I guess after that post he/she realised the mistakes of the experiment and decided to ragequit this thread to avoid admitting the experiment was biased.

Quote from murphmaster01

The beauty of minecraft is having extremely simple tools with which you can create so much more. Now I understand why it would be immensely useful, the fact is most minecraft players never touch redstone aside from a simple door or something. So taking the time to add these when a perfectly usable alternative is available seems like a waste to me.

The goal of the block is to use it in conjunction with redstone, not replace it.

I never said that this block should replace Logic Gates or rapid pulses. I said that It would be great for it to be possible to replace them.
Are you really against possibilities that are not destructive, but additive to the gameplay? Have you ever heard of "Don't like it don't use it"?

If there are more simple, less boring ways of making something, then this should be implemented! That's exactly one of the reasons why enchantment level gaining was revamped, and why netherwart farming was brought to the overworld.

The ability of making an AND gate directly through programming on said redstone block would never replace the conventional AND gate that we use today, simply because in certain ocasions you want multiple torches/outputs as you have in the conventional version, that you would not have using said block.
You also could still use the redstone programmed block as PART of an conventional AND gate, or PART of an XOR gate.

I don't understand why you think that being able to program logic gates in the block would somehow make people stop using larger versions altogether. After all, right now we can simply completely live of villager trading, and ignore mining/surviving as a whole, but people do that? NO. Because? Because trading simply extends the possibilities... in a way that you are not forced to make use of.

Anyway, I respect your opinion... I will keep hoping that we will be able to program such features anyway.

Quote from Arkhangels

I saw this album of the Biomes mod and wished I had the same on Minecraft vanilla... the joy of discovery new and exciting land, of my mind working on new possibilities of buildings that I could make in those different enviroments...

Biomes O' Plenty - Imgur

So yeah, I think Minecraft should have as many biomes as possible. This is to me the best way of making the game doesn't feel like every scenario you see is the same as you saw 10 min ago.
Maybe even random biomes, like based on a set of characteristics that we already have, they are randomly mixed together. Some results would be similar of that on the Imgur algum I posted.

Of course adding changes to the world generator would cause the wrath of the community, like always. But I'd go for it.

I second the biomes O' plenty idea, please people, keep this thread alive, and give mojang this link as many times as you can!

If people have a problem with one block logic gates, just don't use them. Go right ahead building the old huge versions, everyone can still play the game however they want.

It doesn't change the fact that it makes it easier, less time consuming, and will be very helpful in environments where you don't have that much space to work with.

Quote from SethBlue

What did I say? Oh yeah. I actually read my own post. *Ahem* It ruined Minecraft. For ME. :I Maybe not for anyone else, but it killed it for me.

The forum isn't your personal blog. You don't need to make another pointless thread about how optional things ruined Minecraft for you.

Honestly, I'm failing to see how any of the things on that list would kill Minecraft for you. You're not being forced to use ANY of the things you mentioned. You can pretend they don't exist, and nothing of value is lost.

Don't like witches? Don't turn on structures. Don't like the End? Don't turn on structures. Don't like beacons? Don't craft beacons. Don't like potions? Don't brew potions. Don't like hardcore mode? Don't play hardcore mode.

There was absolutely no point in posting this here. You could have posted it on your own topic.

And all of the features that "ruined" Minecraft for you are completely optional except for experience. However, experience is used for a completely optional feature, and is useless without it, so your complaint is invalid.

Couldn't you post this on your original thread rather than wasting space and making an entirely new thread?

Let me tell you about my first minecraft night. I bought the game on august 14th of 2011, about a month before the adventure update. I had about an hour or so before I had to go to a job interview. I had been stuck at home for months after graduating college, and the monotony, among other things, was starting to get to me. I needed something... anything to get my mind off of my situation for a while. I had watched a few youtube videos, and seen web comics here and there, so I knew the absolute basics: punch trees, make a crafting bench, and don't hug those sad cactus thingies.

I don't remember all the details, but I do know that I had kept playing the game even after returning from the interview very late that evening. It was raining (in the game) and I had just completed my first wooden box of a house. I dug a staircase down and fell into an underground lake. Then I tried various crafting recipes to find something to help me get out of the cave. I crafted a bunch of wooden pressure plates, not knowing what they were, and placed them on the bottom of the pool before eventually digging my way back up to my base.

My most vivid memory, however, was when I first broke the number one rule of minecraft. I dug streight down, right in the middle of my house. I jumped a little in my seat when, after digging down for a dozen layers or so, the block I landed on started sparkling and glowing. I had never heard of redstone before, but I guessed it had something to do with electricity since it was all shiny. I remember the first time I found gold, lapis,and I think also diamond just from digging down that first time, and I had no idea of how they were used in game. Everything was so new and full of potential, like when you're a little kid. Almost every experience is a new experience. Your first day of school, your first time going to the dentist. Your first time at a swimming pool.

Your problem, and mine, is that those experiences are impossible to relive. I dug up my old 1.7.3 jar file while cleaning up my old iMac to give to my sister, and loaded a new world on it. While it was fun seeing all the old stuff as it was when I bought the game, it wasn't at all like that first rainy night I spent trying to build my first house.

Quote from cadika_orade

I'm sorry, but why do you need to automate anything? I don't automate anything.

I think it is more of a challenge to make a fully automatic harvester rather than necessarily the actual need to get it to work. For the resources and effort (besides an MCEdit cut & paste or building duplicator mod) put into making some automatic resource collector, you could mostly do the effort yourself manually for ordinary quantities of the material. More importantly, if you can build a grinder or automated farm it shows that you have been able to really understand the game in a deep and profound manner and understand how to take advantage of sometimes obscure properties of some blocks or even mobs.

Minecraft is a sandbox game, meaning different people have different objectives and goals. You may not like to automate anything, but don't presume to speak for everybody on this matter either. I think it is wonderful that you can do stuff without automation, and that such player-built machines are only an optional aspect of the game instead of something required for mere survival.

Yay to keeping the old repairing system alongside this new one. The old one is handy for mundane equipment; I use it all the time on my diamond pickaxes to get a bit of extra mileage (which is a rewarding feeling). This new system is for the special stuff. If I create a diamond sword and enchant it to be Sharpness V, Knockback 2, Looting 3, and Flaming 2 (if that's all possible on one sword), I would pay loads of EXP to be able to renew its durability. And I'd pay loads to be able to combine items to get to that tier of sword awesome.

This sounds like a great addition to the game. I'm curious about the recipe for the block; there seems a great opportunity here to add some more adventure to the progression of the Minecraft character.

Quote from doctorseaweed2

Please observe that that hut is obviously not in a swamp.

If you built that in a swamp it would sink halfway into the peat in less than a year.

Unless you LIKE hauling hundreds of pounds of stones just to build a shelter that will only be habitable for a couple of months before the interior becomes a mud pit...Now if you would like to apply some logic to the matter (instead of pulling out random malarky that sounds cool but makes no sense), allow me to demonstrate what a real house built in a real swamp look like. (Disney World doesn't count because that cost millions and had an army of construction workers.)



Now, please build this in Minecraft and see how it looks.