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    posted a message on The Communist Thread
    I'll share my sentiments too, I guess. Lol.

    I came here as an ignorant yet curious 12 year old a few years ago. My dad introduced me to politics with the Zeitgeist film and it opened my eyes to how the world may not be functioning the way it should at its full potential. I've been a friend to Torm through both SCoM and MCF for a few years now and we've earned plenty of experiences together, both debating and wrecking nazi nerds in Minecraft. I'd like to thank all of you, even the "but it only works on paper" people for posting and contributing to this experience I've had being here.

    Thank you for promoting the pursuit of truth and practicality! I hope we continue to do so elsewhere where we can further educate people and defeat the ignorance we've learned growing up from the institutions that form our culture.

    Best wishes! Feel free to keep in touch over skype, reddit, or steam! (:
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    posted a message on Describe your perfect government
    Quote from redstonevet90

    It's more like if an entire government says it supports something in their Official Charter and a random guy on Minecraft Forums has an opinion that they don't - the government is by far the most credible.

    Listen. China can "follow" an ideology all they want. That doesn't mean that their actions are instantly all attempts to perform the things Mao said they should do.

    Isn't that just common sense, that for someone to make a claim they have to act to back it up?
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    posted a message on Describe your perfect government
    Quote from redstonevet90


    Once again that is all your opinion.

    You disagree with the CPC'c official Charter I get it. You claim that you know more about them and what they stand for than they do. I heard that as well. The problem is that this is your opinion. For some reason you can't see that.

    Well buddy, that's just your opinion.
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    posted a message on Describe your perfect government
    Quote from redstonevet90

    I agree, Hitler wasn't a Communist, he was a Socialist and a self-proclaimed one. Both Communism and Socialism originated from the same ideology.

    Lol wtf.

    Communism is a sub-type of Socialism. Hitler was not a Socialist. He's already outlined that he is 100% against marxian socialist values, which is what the modern term "socialism" means. We've pointed this out 100 times now.
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    posted a message on Describe your perfect government
    Quote from redstonevet90

    I have been discussing Hitler and Stalin.

    You're question is irrelevant. If someone says they are a Communist they are a Communist. Just because it is convenient for your argument that Hitler and Stalin are not considered to be part of your ideology doesn't make it so. They both proclaimed to subscribe to that ideology. To deny that is to deny reality.

    ...Then you better label me a psychotic.

    Hitler was not a Communist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Anti-communism

    And even if someone claims a label, that doesn't mean that they're practicing that ideology or if their practice betrays the purpose of that ideology. (for example, misandric feminists, which is contradictory to the core beliefs of Feminism)
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    posted a message on The Communist Thread
    Quote from redstonevet90

    You just admitted that you choose to blatantly ignore any pattern and evidence that exists. That is quite unreasonable.

    We have witnessed how the Communist ideology goes hand in hand with dictatorship and extreme authoritarianism by self proclaimed Communists and Socialists! There is nothing to explain. It is well documented history.

    No, I'm not ignoring the pattern, I'd like you to analyze why those patterns exist. What conditions are set for Communist countries to become authoritarian dictatorships?

    You are avoiding my point. Just saying "it's happened with every country" doesn't mean anything to me. How is Communism associated with dictatorships? Why?
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    posted a message on The Communist Thread
    Quote from Winter_Mage

    Redstonevet, did hitler and stalin follow already established ideologies or did they warp them and proclaimed that warped ideology as the original?

    Stalin was a Communist. Hitler completely deviated from Marxian socialism. That is the difference.
    Quote from redstonevet90
    I see why it would be convenient for you to not consider Hitler and Stalin to be part of the ideology you subscribe to, but that isn't the reality. They are both self-proclaimed Communist and Socialist.

    That is some cognitive dissonance that you will have to deal with on your own if you truly believe Communism to be an ideology for the greater good. That's also not mentioning the countless other cases were Communism has caused death and suffering everywhere it went.

    Hitler was not a Communist. Hitler was not a (marxian) socialist. No one uses the term "socialist" in the sense that Hitler proclaimed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Anti-communism
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    posted a message on Describe your perfect government
    Quote from redstonevet90


    Hitler not good enough for you? What about some Joseph Stalin?

    Here's some of Stalin's views:

    Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.
    - Joseph Stalin

    One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.
    - Joseph Stalin


    It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
    - Joseph Stalin

    Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.
    - Joseph Stalin


    Death solves all problems - no man, no problem.
    - Joseph Stalin



    The true face of Communism rears it's ugly head yet again.

    Lmfao, just read this:

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Misattributed
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    posted a message on The Communist Thread
    Quote from redstonevet90

    That's why I specifically used the word "excuse" because that's what they are - excuses for a ideology that has failed over and over again no matter the country. It's a predictable pattern of poverty and mass murdering dictatorships.

    I just explained to you how it isn't an excuse. A country's failure or success is reliant on the circumstances of that country. If you had kulaks, the white army, and external forces in the United States I'm pretty sure they would've experienced something similar.
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    posted a message on The Communist Thread
    Quote from Mathew2w

    Before 1990, there were so many socialist countries, many of them one of the largest in the world - like China or USSR - so it is totally irrelevant argument. Mainly socialist countries were against trade or move of the people between Eastern bloc and capitalist countries, so isolation was what they wanted to have.

    So it is still true that socialism is making economic progress slower. :)

    A lack of trade and travel is detrimental to the growth of an economy. It doesn't matter if these countries were huge, with huge numbers there comes huge responsibility, and part of the responsibility was keeping all those people fed. People who, depending on the time period we're talking about, may or may not have been contributing to the soviet economy. Then you have the problems of kulaks, white army, attacks from US + Britain, recovering from WWI, recovering from the civil war, etc.

    Too many factors play into the lack of stimulation in the Soviet Union's growth. And even though it had all those detriments it grew tremendously. I can't speak the same for other Eastern European and asianic countries.
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