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    posted a message on What is your opinion of the US gov?
    Quote from Wolf_359

    Well, I won't argue the point past this:

    Glenn Beck

    Rush Limbaugh

    Sarah Palin

    Michelle Bachmann

    Rick Perry

    Herman Cain

    FOX "News"

    George Bush, Jr.

    Newt Gingrich

    Wolf Blitzer

    Gretchen Carlson

    Bill O'Reilly

    Tea Party

    Eric Cantor

    John Boehner

    Mitch McConnell, AKA "The Turtle"

    I was going to say something, but this post summed it up better than I could have ever hoped to.

    I would also like to add the following, just for good measure:

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    posted a message on Favorite calming/nostalgic thing
    It's rare in my house for there to be no one but me home, and thus, no noise. I like it when there's no background tv or background voices and I can sit here and do my thing with the window open and the sound of the birds on our feeders outside keeping me company. It's very calming.

    Before I moved back to a suburban home, my house had a lot of empty land & empty woods behind it, so back then I enjoyed taking long walks to clear my head.
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    posted a message on What have you always wondered?
    I have always wondered about the concept of absolute nothingness.
    Before I was born I was nothing, not even a thought. And I can't help but wonder what that's like.
    But from there I wonder about things like reincarnation. If that cycle is real, who or what was I before this? And when was the beginning of this chain? Everything has a beginning and an end right?

    Weh. It makes my brain hurt.
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    posted a message on Pro-Choice or No?
    Quote from Pokenate1096

    Yes it is. God gave it to us for that reason, and for our enjoyment. not one or the other. God also ask us to have kids. Also i don't believe you should have sex before marriage either. just because you don't want a baby, doesn't make it right. That's like saying i don't want him to be my friend anymore, and then murder him. only this is even worse because your killing your own child.

    I'm going to go back to this for a minute to tell you why you're wrong, using your own bible:

    One characteristic of many anti-choice images and posts on the internet is that they reference God or one’s religion as a reason for them being “pro-life”. God made everybody special and unique, what are we to deem God’s creations unworthy and abort them?

    This brings one question into the picture then, does the bible support the pro-life stance?

    The answer? A vague not really.

    The first thing to examine is does the bible straight out denounce abortion. With many issues, such as homosexuality, there are bible verses which will straight out ban or denounce such things. However, when it comes to abortion, there are no such bible verses.

    So, what does the bible have to say about abortion or the value of fetuses. Quite a lot actually, but not in the way most pro-life people would assume the bible would.

    First off, the bible, in Exodus 21:22-23 states that a fetus is not to be valued as equal to that of a human who has been born.

    This is further reinforced by Leviticus 27:6 and Number 3:15-16 in which God places no value on fetuses, instead, counting an individual as a child from the moment they become more than a month old (This is, because of the much less developed medical situations, speculated to be due to the fact that children under a month old were extremely vulnerable, and thus had a much higher mortality rate than current times).

    Not only that, God sometimes approves of killing fetuses (Numbers 31:15-17, Hosea 9:14-16, Hosea 13:16) while also describing, in the bible, how to induce an abortion in a women who has been unfaithful to her husband (Numbers 5:11-31).

    The most damaging verse to the pro-life argument that a sacred fetus should not have to die due to its mother’s choice though, is Genesis 38:24, where God approves of burning a pregnant adulteress, therefore demonstrating that a fetus is not a separate entity from its mother’s choice.

    So, how do priests and people who pour over the bible daily still claim that abortion is wrong?

    The Sixth Commandment, Thou shalt not kill. Personhood is irrelevant, as a zygote or a fetus is life of human genetics, and therefore it is a sin to kill it.

    Right?

    Right?

    Nope.

    The Sixth Commandment is actually one of those things which has been lost in translation and so the original nuance of the verse has actually been changed when the script went from Hebrew, was translated various times, and you read it in English.

    So what did the Sixth Commandment ACTUALLY say?

    It actually does say, roughly, Thou shalt not kill, but the keyword here is kill. When we trace the word back to the Hebrew manuscripts, the word is RASACH, or translating to roughly murder, or an illegal killing judged harmful to society, by society. How does this differ with the Sixth Commandment which most people know? The first one is an absolute denouncement of all killing, the original one is a subjective denunciation of killing which is harmful to society.

    Even within the bible, God orders the people of Israel to kill other people, and this is not a violation of the Sixth Commandment because it was not deemed harmful to society (1 Samuel 15:3).

    So what does this difference make to the pro/anti-choice debate?

    Because fetuses are not considered people, an abortion can not be considered a murder, and therefore is not in violation of the Sixth Commandment.

    Not only that, if we are the descendants of Adam, as the bible claims, then God creates us in his image as he created Adam. The creation story of Adam is that his full form was created from dust of the ground, and only then was he given a soul. If we are to take this as a parable, or as an analogy of the birth of a child, then we can easily claim that the only fetuses who have souls are those which are passed the 8 months mark when all their physical organs and structures are fully formed and the fetuses begin to show signs of sentience.

    So in conclusion, based solely on biblical evidence, no pro-life person can claim that having an abortion is a sin, nor can they claim that the bible says that abortion is wrong, evil, or murder.


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    posted a message on Pro-Choice or No?
    Quote from Pokenate1096

    Religion is a belief. whether or not you believe in god that's your choice. This is not the topic to argue about religion though.

    If your condom were to fail than that is a huge mistake, but the right choice is never murder. if you don't want the child, give it to social security.

    But again, your argument that I quoted the first time was using the concept of God to argue why abortion is bad. You were using personal opinions and beliefs as fact, when they are not. Thus, your argument holds no water. You cannot logically prove an argument based with beliefs that vary from person to person. Arguments are won with facts, not religious doctrine.

    Also, if my condom fails, that is not my fault. I did not tell the condom to fail, it simply did.

    In addition, abortion is not murder, as something must be alive for me to kill it. In case you were not aware, a fully formed baby is not magically spawned into my womb the moment the sperm hits the egg. It takes months and months for a baby to be formed. When most abortions are performed, that baby is nothing more than a parasitic cluster of cells that feeds off of my body to keep it "alive," whether I like it or not.

    My body belongs to me, not the parasites in it. There is no reason why I should be forced to go through nine months of growing a child in my belly, then the pain of childbirth simply because I accidentally got pregnant.

    Also, for you to think about:
    "When you peel back the layers of the anti-choice motivation, it always comes back to two things: What is the nature and purpose of human sexuality? And second, what is the role of women in the world? Sex and the role of women are inextricably linked, because if you can separate sex from procreation, you have given women the ability to participate in society on an equal basis with men."
    —GLORIA FELDT, attributed, Huffington Post

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    posted a message on -{Official Chitchat thread}-
    Quote from king_coco

    Same here. I worry about handing out rep like candy, then finding the best post ever; only to be unable to rep it :l

    That's what bookmarking is for. ;D
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    posted a message on -{Official Chitchat thread}-
    Quote from RossEatWorld

    I'm a tight ass
    I hardly ever hand out rep.

    I'm the opposite. I hand it out like candy on Halloween night.

    "OTL
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    posted a message on Pro-Choice or No?
    Yes. It's my body and I like to know that if one day my condom were to fail and I got pregnant with a baby I did not want, I would be allowed to remove it. Given the bad genes in both me and my boyfriend's family (huge history of mental disease, anger issues, crippling depression, REALLY bad teeth, etc.) I would feel like a bad person for forcing that sort of life on a kid who didn't deserve it.

    Sex is not a contract for having children in the same way that swimming is not a contract for drowning.
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    posted a message on -{Official Chitchat thread}-
    That thread is hilarious.
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    posted a message on -{Official Chitchat thread}-
    Quote from Scarlet Squirrel

    Hmm, we need a new topic....

    Using emotion to power electricity and what this means for the future of our society.
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