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I am looking to host my own server, with a machine so i don't have to host it on my computer and for it to be lag free. I have fast (40megabytes upload);(60 megabytes download) internet speeds, and have backup power if the power goes out(Or at least will if you guys say this can host it)
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Damn, u r lucky. Anyway that should be good, you have enough ram and whopping speeds(whyyy). You can host up to 120 people. Make sure to use wired lan to harness dat speed tho. Make note if this a home network you will have to sacrifice your time on HD Youtube or on fast downloads and large email attachments because your router might not handle the strain. I recommend you use the money you are going to spend on a host but it is yours so yeah. Have a good one!
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Looks like a great device to run your server on. Make sure you have powerful enough internet though, that's also a big part. The server might eat your internet and it also costs money to use internet for your server, so make sure you're aware of that too.
Damn, u r lucky. Anyway that should be good, you have enough ram and whopping speeds(whyyy). You can host up to 120 people. Make sure to use wired lan to harness dat speed tho. Make note if this a home network you will have to sacrifice your time on HD Youtube or on fast downloads and large email attachments because your router might not handle the strain. I recommend you use the money you are going to spend on a host but it is yours so yeah. Have a good one!
Wireless N is faster than 99% of home internet connections (150-900Mbps depending on the router). The reason its not recommended is because radio waves are easily disrupted and can drop without warning. Using wired, you will have (usually) a 1Gbps link between the server and the router, but that is moot if the internet connection is not at the same level.
When dealing with things involving your internet connection, its mainly about reliability, not speed, because internal networks are faster than the connection the vast majority of the time.
Do you have backup power for router , modem , etc? What happens when ISP has maintance down time? Does your ISP gaurantees that traffic you mentioned or is it maximum attainable speeds?
Oh yes Machine is quite good, given you put serious operating system to it instead of Windows, you will have no issues with machine.
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Do you have backup power for router , modem , etc? What happens when ISP has maintance down time? Does your ISP gaurantees that traffic you mentioned or is it maximum attainable speeds?
Oh yes Machine is quite good, given you put serious operating system to it instead of Windows, you will have no issues with machine.
Don't downplay Windows. The majority of the business world runs Windows on their servers. If it weren't "serious" then it wouldn't be so widely used.
If your ISP can go down for maintinance, then you have a terrible ISP and should change immediately.
No ISP can guarentee speeds. They are all theoretical limits and is effected by the overall load on the internet infrastructure itself.
If power goes out, the effect on the router is null. It shuts off, no big deal. On the server, however, that is more important, but with proper backup scheduling, its not a huge issue. We aren't talking some massive production server worth hundreds of thousands in lost productivity if it goes down for a bit.
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Cast aside your festive doylaks: dragon stuff is about to happen.
Multiplayer is lonely once you understand how it actually works.
He did asked to make, and i quote , "proffesional lag-free server", you cant have proffesional and "not a huge issue" in the same sentence. And seriously, Windows to host a minecraft server...?
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TAKE CHANCES. TELL THE TRUTH. KISS SLOWLY. DATE SOMEONE TOTALY WRONG FOR YOU.
SAY NO. LOVE DEEPLY. FORGIVE QUICKLY. SPEND ALL YOUR CASH.
GET TO KNOW SOMEONE RANDOM, BE RANDOM. SAY I LOVE YOU. SING OUT LOUD.
FORGET THE PAST. REMMEMBER WHAT IT TOUGHT YOU. LAUGH AT STUPID JOKES.
CRY. APOLOGIZE. TELL SOMEONE HOW MUCH THEY MEAN TO YOU.
TELL A JERK WHAT YOU THINK.LAUGH TILL YOUR STOMACH HURTS.
I think something linux-based would be great to run a minecraft server. Also, with professional-grade servers comes a professional-grade cost... So yeah.
He did asked to make, and i quote , "proffesional lag-free server", you cant have proffesional and "not a huge issue" in the same sentence. And seriously, Windows to host a minecraft server...?
Sounds like someone who doesn't deal with servers on a professional level. Windows is a perfectly functional and stable OS to use.
On a normal computer by i mean is like, when you wanna host a server on your computer. You follow certain steps.
And i wanna know how to host it on the dell server i listed.
Yes, you run the server software like normal. At minimum. To be truly vigilant about its operation, you should schedule automatic restarts periodically to flush out the memory and have other things running to catch server crashes and automatically restart. Basically you will want to automate 99% of its operation.
It is a normal computer, just with server grade hardware. They are designed for 99% uptime. That is where the bulk of its cost comes from. The windows Server OS has some differences over a normal desktop OS, but minor things. The operation is designed to be nearly identical.
You should still have antivirus, lock down access, but set up remote access. Treat it like you would your personal computer... if you put it out in public to come and touch.
On a normal computer by i mean is like, when you wanna host a server on your computer. You follow certain steps.
And i wanna know how to host it on the dell server i listed.
Your dell server you listed is quite good hardware, for about just any Minecraft server, and your internet speed is sufficient enough for many players,
What you should keep in mind that you are making a dedicated Minecraft server, so my sudgestion would be to with dedicated software on it. There is a Linux distro dedicated to host minecraft servers, called MineOS. Pretty much straight forward installation, based on Debian core. It will install the most minimal Linux environment with the following:
- Core Kernel - needed to have server up and running
- Console tools - Needed to maintain the server
- Webmin service - Not required but allows you to use web-based interface within just about any browser on any computer to maintain server.
- WebUI service - Not required but allows you maintance of Minecraft serers services using Web interface in any browser from any computer.
- SQL service - not neccessery but some plugins that you may want to use will benefit of its presence.
Whole instalation takes less than 1GB of HDD space, and uses significantly less proccessor time to run this almost minimal environment for hosting minecraft server with much of usefull tools to manage it from remote places.
Few years ago i made even more minimal instalation, pure console server, no web-interfaces etc. keeping in mind that managing it i was doing with keyboard on the reach of my arm.
I don't think that you will ever get more of any other environment with less issues than this one.
There is so many tutorials on youtube and on the internet that will demonstrate it how it works and how it is maintained.
To give you rough numbers that i have expirienced with it here is the latest set-up i have made to proove a point about a week ago.
Hardware (used, and aquired for about 25$):
Intel Core2Duo 5300 2,6 GHZ
2GB DDR2 memory running at 800MHz
Biostar P43B-A7 motherboard
Nvidia GT8600 Graphic card
HDD Western Digital WD2500AAJS (250GB SATA)
Used from my local network i set-up Spigot build from June 18th, with several plugins:
Essentials (including chat, antibuld, group manager etc)
World Guard
World Edit
GriefPrevention
Vault
Brewery
When i am connected to it and using web-interface to monitor load of the server, keeping in mind that it was a fresh world, with 1,5GB assigned to MC server, i never managed to get it over 0,4 % of proccesor load, and i was flying around in creative to generate new chunks and such.
Unfortunately my internet speed is way worst then yours, about 1MBit upload speed so i was not interested in testing it with more people simultaniously, but i do estimate that it would not have significant impact on the performance of the server even with 5 people (just a remainder that interned speed i have will barely be enough for 2-3 people).
Your hardware is good, but don't ruin performances by choosing the worst possible platform to host a server - Windows.
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TAKE CHANCES. TELL THE TRUTH. KISS SLOWLY. DATE SOMEONE TOTALY WRONG FOR YOU.
SAY NO. LOVE DEEPLY. FORGIVE QUICKLY. SPEND ALL YOUR CASH.
GET TO KNOW SOMEONE RANDOM, BE RANDOM. SAY I LOVE YOU. SING OUT LOUD.
FORGET THE PAST. REMMEMBER WHAT IT TOUGHT YOU. LAUGH AT STUPID JOKES.
CRY. APOLOGIZE. TELL SOMEONE HOW MUCH THEY MEAN TO YOU.
TELL A JERK WHAT YOU THINK.LAUGH TILL YOUR STOMACH HURTS.
Way to be dismissive. You sound like a linux elitist. Meanwhile, I actually work in the industry. I know for a fact that the vast majority of all businesses run on Windows based servers. My work has a server that has been running for 12 years non-stop (Power outages excluded) with practically no issues.
Windows works just fine if you use half a brain to actually configure it properly. Please, enlighten me with one good reason why windows is so terrible, assuming you have a properly configured setup.
Yes ok, no admin solves every problem, but you have to admit that you have a much bigger chance of solving the problem if you are not locked in some proprietary crap.
And of course you have to pay for the RHEL support. What amazes me is how serious business can run MS software for thousands of dollars, pay for the support, and then put their whole business into the hands of some code they do not have full access to, have a fragment of the number of devs compared to Linux, and that takes ages to patch, because MS is busy laughing their way to the bank.
The ignorance is astounding.
How does using Windows lock a business? What freedom does Linux give you that you can't get with Windows under normal every day use? An admin shouldn't be messing around with the innards of the OS regardless of Windows or Linux. The majority of our problems have actually been with the 3rd party software, not Windows itself, which we have service contracts with and they resolve the problems that we would not have been able to anyway, within the hour.
Microsoft is indeed a business, but what makes them SO much worse than RHEL and them selling their service? The fact that they are Linux? Please, don't be so shallow. I am still waiting for even a single good argument against windows.
I do admit Windows has a higher demand on a system vs Linux. This is because Windows is designed to support basically everything out of the box. If you have a tailored OS for a specific task, naturally it will work better. Windows can be configured to be very damn reliable if you put in the time, just like Linux.
And to put on record, I do use Linux at work. A debian based system along side several Raspberry Pi's. And it way my decision to use Linux despite Windows being able to do what I needed. So I am not against Linux at all. I am just tired of the baseless hate towards Microsoft and Windows for no justifiable reason. If you don't like it, fine, but quit bashing it like its the damn anti-christ when its not.
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Cast aside your festive doylaks: dragon stuff is about to happen.
Multiplayer is lonely once you understand how it actually works.
I am looking to host my own server, with a machine so i don't have to host it on my computer and for it to be lag free. I have fast (40megabytes upload);(60 megabytes download) internet speeds, and have backup power if the power goes out(Or at least will if you guys say this can host it)
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t320/pd?oc=bect33&model_id=poweredge-t320&l=en&s=bsd
Damn, u r lucky. Anyway that should be good, you have enough ram and whopping speeds(whyyy). You can host up to 120 people. Make sure to use wired lan to harness dat speed tho. Make note if this a home network you will have to sacrifice your time on HD Youtube or on fast downloads and large email attachments because your router might not handle the strain. I recommend you use the money you are going to spend on a host but it is yours so yeah. Have a good one!
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Looks like a great device to run your server on. Make sure you have powerful enough internet though, that's also a big part. The server might eat your internet and it also costs money to use internet for your server, so make sure you're aware of that too.
Wireless N is faster than 99% of home internet connections (150-900Mbps depending on the router). The reason its not recommended is because radio waves are easily disrupted and can drop without warning. Using wired, you will have (usually) a 1Gbps link between the server and the router, but that is moot if the internet connection is not at the same level.
When dealing with things involving your internet connection, its mainly about reliability, not speed, because internal networks are faster than the connection the vast majority of the time.
Cast aside your festive doylaks: dragon stuff is about to happen.
Multiplayer is lonely once you understand how it actually works.
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Do you have backup power for router , modem , etc? What happens when ISP has maintance down time? Does your ISP gaurantees that traffic you mentioned or is it maximum attainable speeds?
Oh yes Machine is quite good, given you put serious operating system to it instead of Windows, you will have no issues with machine.
Don't downplay Windows. The majority of the business world runs Windows on their servers. If it weren't "serious" then it wouldn't be so widely used.
If your ISP can go down for maintinance, then you have a terrible ISP and should change immediately.
No ISP can guarentee speeds. They are all theoretical limits and is effected by the overall load on the internet infrastructure itself.
If power goes out, the effect on the router is null. It shuts off, no big deal. On the server, however, that is more important, but with proper backup scheduling, its not a huge issue. We aren't talking some massive production server worth hundreds of thousands in lost productivity if it goes down for a bit.
Cast aside your festive doylaks: dragon stuff is about to happen.
Multiplayer is lonely once you understand how it actually works.
Alpha 1.0.4
He did asked to make, and i quote , "proffesional lag-free server", you cant have proffesional and "not a huge issue" in the same sentence. And seriously, Windows to host a minecraft server...?
I think something linux-based would be great to run a minecraft server. Also, with professional-grade servers comes a professional-grade cost... So yeah.
Question how do i get it hosted on there? Do i host it on there just like i would host it on a normal computer?
your question is very non-precise, where is "There", and what is your view on how to distinguish "normal computer" and "non-normal computer".
'There' is by on the dell server.
On a normal computer by i mean is like, when you wanna host a server on your computer. You follow certain steps.
And i wanna know how to host it on the dell server i listed.
'There' is by on the dell server.
On a normal computer by i mean is like, when you wanna host a server on your computer. You follow certain steps.
And i wanna know how to host it on the dell server i listed.
Sounds like someone who doesn't deal with servers on a professional level. Windows is a perfectly functional and stable OS to use.
Yes, you run the server software like normal. At minimum. To be truly vigilant about its operation, you should schedule automatic restarts periodically to flush out the memory and have other things running to catch server crashes and automatically restart. Basically you will want to automate 99% of its operation.
It is a normal computer, just with server grade hardware. They are designed for 99% uptime. That is where the bulk of its cost comes from. The windows Server OS has some differences over a normal desktop OS, but minor things. The operation is designed to be nearly identical.
You should still have antivirus, lock down access, but set up remote access. Treat it like you would your personal computer... if you put it out in public to come and touch.
Cast aside your festive doylaks: dragon stuff is about to happen.
Multiplayer is lonely once you understand how it actually works.
Alpha 1.0.4
Right ...
Your dell server you listed is quite good hardware, for about just any Minecraft server, and your internet speed is sufficient enough for many players,
What you should keep in mind that you are making a dedicated Minecraft server, so my sudgestion would be to with dedicated software on it. There is a Linux distro dedicated to host minecraft servers, called MineOS. Pretty much straight forward installation, based on Debian core. It will install the most minimal Linux environment with the following:
- Core Kernel - needed to have server up and running
- Console tools - Needed to maintain the server
- Webmin service - Not required but allows you to use web-based interface within just about any browser on any computer to maintain server.
- WebUI service - Not required but allows you maintance of Minecraft serers services using Web interface in any browser from any computer.
- SQL service - not neccessery but some plugins that you may want to use will benefit of its presence.
Whole instalation takes less than 1GB of HDD space, and uses significantly less proccessor time to run this almost minimal environment for hosting minecraft server with much of usefull tools to manage it from remote places.
Few years ago i made even more minimal instalation, pure console server, no web-interfaces etc. keeping in mind that managing it i was doing with keyboard on the reach of my arm.
I don't think that you will ever get more of any other environment with less issues than this one.
There is so many tutorials on youtube and on the internet that will demonstrate it how it works and how it is maintained.
To give you rough numbers that i have expirienced with it here is the latest set-up i have made to proove a point about a week ago.
Hardware (used, and aquired for about 25$):
Intel Core2Duo 5300 2,6 GHZ
2GB DDR2 memory running at 800MHz
Biostar P43B-A7 motherboard
Nvidia GT8600 Graphic card
HDD Western Digital WD2500AAJS (250GB SATA)
Used from my local network i set-up Spigot build from June 18th, with several plugins:
Essentials (including chat, antibuld, group manager etc)
World Guard
World Edit
GriefPrevention
Vault
Brewery
When i am connected to it and using web-interface to monitor load of the server, keeping in mind that it was a fresh world, with 1,5GB assigned to MC server, i never managed to get it over 0,4 % of proccesor load, and i was flying around in creative to generate new chunks and such.
Unfortunately my internet speed is way worst then yours, about 1MBit upload speed so i was not interested in testing it with more people simultaniously, but i do estimate that it would not have significant impact on the performance of the server even with 5 people (just a remainder that interned speed i have will barely be enough for 2-3 people).
Your hardware is good, but don't ruin performances by choosing the worst possible platform to host a server - Windows.
Way to be dismissive. You sound like a linux elitist. Meanwhile, I actually work in the industry. I know for a fact that the vast majority of all businesses run on Windows based servers. My work has a server that has been running for 12 years non-stop (Power outages excluded) with practically no issues.
Windows works just fine if you use half a brain to actually configure it properly. Please, enlighten me with one good reason why windows is so terrible, assuming you have a properly configured setup.
Cast aside your festive doylaks: dragon stuff is about to happen.
Multiplayer is lonely once you understand how it actually works.
Alpha 1.0.4
And that is a problem... why? That kind of thing is extremely important in the business world. It means you have someone to call when all else fails.
Cast aside your festive doylaks: dragon stuff is about to happen.
Multiplayer is lonely once you understand how it actually works.
Alpha 1.0.4
I'd say lets use operating system for what they are best at:
OS X - for graphical design
Linux/Unix - for servers
Windows - For Solitaire
Very short sighted of you. Cant even come up with a proper reply so you play it off with baseless claims.
No admin can be expected to solve every problem out there. And even with Red Hat, you still have to pay a service contract for them to support you.
Cast aside your festive doylaks: dragon stuff is about to happen.
Multiplayer is lonely once you understand how it actually works.
Alpha 1.0.4
The ignorance is astounding.
How does using Windows lock a business? What freedom does Linux give you that you can't get with Windows under normal every day use? An admin shouldn't be messing around with the innards of the OS regardless of Windows or Linux. The majority of our problems have actually been with the 3rd party software, not Windows itself, which we have service contracts with and they resolve the problems that we would not have been able to anyway, within the hour.
Microsoft is indeed a business, but what makes them SO much worse than RHEL and them selling their service? The fact that they are Linux? Please, don't be so shallow. I am still waiting for even a single good argument against windows.
I do admit Windows has a higher demand on a system vs Linux. This is because Windows is designed to support basically everything out of the box. If you have a tailored OS for a specific task, naturally it will work better. Windows can be configured to be very damn reliable if you put in the time, just like Linux.
And to put on record, I do use Linux at work. A debian based system along side several Raspberry Pi's. And it way my decision to use Linux despite Windows being able to do what I needed. So I am not against Linux at all. I am just tired of the baseless hate towards Microsoft and Windows for no justifiable reason. If you don't like it, fine, but quit bashing it like its the damn anti-christ when its not.
Cast aside your festive doylaks: dragon stuff is about to happen.
Multiplayer is lonely once you understand how it actually works.
Alpha 1.0.4