And I've just been thinking about the differences between 1st rates and 2nd rates. In real life, the numbers of cannon were almost the same. My Barfleur is a 98 and most RN 1st rates of the time only had a handful of cannons over 100. The real difference between a 1st and a 2nd was the construction; a 1st rate was normally built heavier and sturdier so that many of those 100 cannon were heavier than those carried by a 2nd. But here in minecraft I couldn't exactly replicate that construction. So I've been left in a situation where if I add a couple more cannons to this ship I can just call it a 1st rate. That feels wrong. I built a 2nd rate, I shouldn't be able to convert it to a 1st just by adding a couple of cannon!
Hence why I won't even bother making a Second Rate for a while. I think my next Napoleonic era ship will be a 3rd rate or a Bomb Ketch. Anyway nice second rate you got there.
Hence why I won't even bother making a Second Rate for a while. I think my next Napoleonic era ship will be a 3rd rate or a Bomb Ketch. Anyway nice second rate you got there.
Yeah. As I said in my edit of my previous post (which I think I was doing when you were writing that one), I'll probably compensate by making my next 1st rate noticeably larger, using the French Ocean class as a basis. That's the only way I can really think of to make it distinct from my Barfleur. More cannon!
Right from the start when I realised as I was finishing off my 1st rate that I was going to keep building ships, I knew that I was going to do at least one 3rd rate 74. I'm actually surprised it took me as long as it did to get around to it. And a bomb vessel is another one that's on my list of ships-to-do as well.
In addition I'd like to do some updates to my older ships. I know in your thread you've said that you're not going to upgrade older builds, just use the things you learn on the new ones. I like that, it's a good way to show progression. But I kinda want to have a unified fleet and if I'm going to use some of my older ships they're going to need upgrades or I won't be happy! But I'll certainly keep copies of them as they are now, and leave the pictures in the first post. The only one that I think would need too much of an overhaul to bother with is my 1st rate. There's just too many things I'd want to change in the hull that I may as well just do a new one.
Can you please do a corvette next???? i LOVE corvettes
I'd noticed!
I'm having a little trouble nailing down exactly what a corvette of this period would be, because I tend to use RN terminology and they didn't often use the corvette name until the Victorian age. As far as I can tell, it's in the range of what I would call a ship-sloop or a post ship. Something that's fully ship-rigged but a bit smaller than a frigate. Somewhere in the region of 20 cannons or so. Is that the sort of ship you were thinking of?
Yeah. As I said in my edit of my previous post (which I think I was doing when you were writing that one), I'll probably compensate by making my next 1st rate noticeably larger, using the French Ocean class as a basis. That's the only way I can really think of to make it distinct from my Barfleur. More cannon!
Right from the start when I realised as I was finishing off my 1st rate that I was going to keep building ships, I knew that I was going to do at least one 3rd rate 74. I'm actually surprised it took me as long as it did to get around to it. And a bomb vessel is another one that's on my list of ships-to-do as well.
In addition I'd like to do some updates to my older ships. I know in your thread you've said that you're not going to upgrade older builds, just use the things you learn on the new ones. I like that, it's a good way to show progression. But I kinda want to have a unified fleet and if I'm going to use some of my older ships they're going to need upgrades or I won't be happy! But I'll certainly keep copies of them as they are now, and leave the pictures in the first post. The only one that I think would need too much of an overhaul to bother with is my 1st rate. There's just too many things I'd want to change in the hull that I may as well just do a new one.
I'd noticed!
I'm having a little trouble nailing down exactly what a corvette of this period would be, because I tend to use RN terminology and they didn't often use the corvette name until the Victorian age. As far as I can tell, it's in the range of what I would call a ship-sloop or a post ship. Something that's fully ship-rigged but a bit smaller than a frigate. Somewhere in the region of 20 cannons or so. Is that the sort of ship you were thinking of?
Corvettes were usually small frigates that were rather low in their design and often had holes for large oars. At least, one of my shipping books states it as such.
By the by, I have built the Santa Maria, may want to take a looksie at my shipyard.
Corvettes were usually small frigates that were rather low in their design and often had holes for large oars. At least, one of my shipping books states it as such.
By the by, I have built the Santa Maria, may want to take a looksie at my shipyard.
Yeah. As I said in my edit of my previous post (which I think I was doing when you were writing that one), I'll probably compensate by making my next 1st rate noticeably larger, using the French Ocean class as a basis. That's the only way I can really think of to make it distinct from my Barfleur. More cannon!
Right from the start when I realised as I was finishing off my 1st rate that I was going to keep building ships, I knew that I was going to do at least one 3rd rate 74. I'm actually surprised it took me as long as it did to get around to it. And a bomb vessel is another one that's on my list of ships-to-do as well.
In addition I'd like to do some updates to my older ships. I know in your thread you've said that you're not going to upgrade older builds, just use the things you learn on the new ones. I like that, it's a good way to show progression. But I kinda want to have a unified fleet and if I'm going to use some of my older ships they're going to need upgrades or I won't be happy! But I'll certainly keep copies of them as they are now, and leave the pictures in the first post. The only one that I think would need too much of an overhaul to bother with is my 1st rate. There's just too many things I'd want to change in the hull that I may as well just do a new one.
I'd noticed!
I'm having a little trouble nailing down exactly what a corvette of this period would be, because I tend to use RN terminology and they didn't often use the corvette name until the Victorian age. As far as I can tell, it's in the range of what I would call a ship-sloop or a post ship. Something that's fully ship-rigged but a bit smaller than a frigate. Somewhere in the region of 20 cannons or so. Is that the sort of ship you were thinking of?
I'm having a little trouble nailing down exactly what a corvette of this period would be, because I tend to use RN terminology and they didn't often use the corvette name until the Victorian age. As far as I can tell, it's in the range of what I would call a ship-sloop or a post ship. Something that's fully ship-rigged but a bit smaller than a frigate. Somewhere in the region of 20 cannons or so. Is that the sort of ship you were thinking of?
Sloop of wars was probably the most ambiguous designation of the Royal Navy. But considering that the term sloop of wars came from the British, and the Corvette was introduced by the French, I like to think that the Corvette was the equivalent to a sloop of war from the RN. It is slightly bigger than a sloop of war, and smaller than a frigate, but pretty much looks like one. It would carry around 20 guns and would be used to escorting missions and minor wars. After all, it wasn't used by the British until after then Napoleonic wars.
Again, I like to think that a Corvette is like the top notch of the Sloop of war classification (ships under 20 guns), just like a 5th and 6th rate, and even a 4th rate frigates can be considered ships of the lines.
I think this is my first time posting on here, but well done sir! I have been dabbling in ship critiquing lately, and I must say your napoleonic fleet is one of the most historically accurate yet aesthetically pleasing example of ship carpentry I have seen on these forums! I believe you are my new favorite. Sorry, sillouete.
I think this is my first time posting on here, but well done sir! I have been dabbling in ship critiquing lately, and I must say your napoleonic fleet is one of the most historically accurate yet aesthetically pleasing example of ship carpentry I have seen on these forums! I believe you are my new favorite. Sorry, sillouete.
Thanks! I've been inactive on the shipbuilding front since I finished my Barfleur, so it's about time I started another one.
There's couple of reasons why really, and judging from your username you might appreciate this one - I've just started re-reading The Wheel of Time. I'd originally planned to have re-read the whole series in time for the release of A Memory of Light, but it seems I left it a bit late. Even so, in the last week I've powered through New Spring and most of The Eye of the World.
And on the minecraft front, I've just started playing the Technic Pack...
I'll start on another ship fairly soon. After two ships of the line I'm pretty sure that my next one will be something smaller.
Man, these ships are masterpieces! I've never seen quality ships like these before. I LOVE the ships of this era, and I've tried numerous times to recreate some, usually resulting in failure or a wierd looking ship :/ However, I've been working on one ship on the server I play on, and I can see that i need to improve my technique.
Oh, my... I've built a few ships, but nothing that matches these in quality. I mean, the rigging? I've always just omitted it... too complicated (and costly, I do most of my building in survival...). These are beautiful. I'd love a world download. =P Watching this topic, to be sure.
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...actually, created is a bit much.... Thought of. That's more accurate.
Ah yes, how's the server going, JStylow? I feel kinda bad that I came on a few times and then not again. I seem to remember you setting me to creative to build some pillars, then my client crashed. The next time I logged in there was nobody online, I was back on survival and surrounded by mobs, so I logged off again quickly! I think I just forgot to try coming on again after that. Sorry about that.
As it is I've barely played minecraft since before Christmas, but I have just started a new ship - a 5th rate frigate of 32 guns (or 38 if you count carronades in the gun rating). Hopefully she'll turn out looking very much like the bigger relative of my 6th rate but all she has at the moment is the forward starboard section of hull.
We're doing great. I quit because of lack of time, but I just started again. You should check it out when it's up. Maybe you could be an asset to our team:)
When I've got some time I might come back in and have a look.
You should make a render of all of them together as a fleet. That would be cool.
One of my plans is definitely to make at least one map with the ships arrayed as a battle squadron - ships of the line sailing in line with frigates in the area too. But before I do that I need more ships! I also need to update a couple of my older designs to fit better with my current hull styles, mainly in the design of the bow. I might play with some of the sterns as well. The main reason behind keeping all of my ships of the line and frigates with their sails braced at the same angle is so that I can put them all together going in the same direction. Otherwise I could have experimented with more different wind directions and had individual builds that perhaps might have been a bit more interesting.
A battle sqaudron copied and pasted with these ships would be quite good, but one with more varieties of (subtly different) ships would be better - that's one of the reasons that I'd seriously like to do another 3rd rate 74 soon - to be slightly different from my Vanguard and provide more variety in a fleet.
I'd also want to build a replacement first rate, since I'm starting to feel more and more that Royal Sovereign ought to be broken up. I'm still pretty proud of her as my first ship, and especially the way I managed to do the masts and sails, but the hull's all wrong. On the other hand, I might try a spot of Pimp My First Rate to see just what I can achieve with a massive restructuring.
Could I trouble you for some detail pics of a stern? I'm rather curious as to how you do yours, I've tried several styles but I've yet to find one I like. What always throws me off is the lanterns and the nameplate... and the cabins... and, like, everything else. XD Also, out of curiosity, what do you load your cannons with?
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...actually, created is a bit much.... Thought of. That's more accurate.
I would appreciate a couple visits from some people, I successfully made it a hot topic! My shipyard
Don't bring an overbearing and pompous captain to tears!
Could I trouble you for some detail pics of a stern? I'm rather curious as to how you do yours, I've tried several styles but I've yet to find one I like. What always throws me off is the lanterns and the nameplate... and the cabins... and, like, everything else. XD Also, out of curiosity, what do you load your cannons with?
Here's some screenies from my drydock. The top one shows my new 2nd rate Barfleur, where I did the stern a little different to previously, trying to give it the right level of slope both on the sides of the cabins and on the rear. You can see that my older 3rd rates Diomedes and Vanguard are done a little differently, and I'm thinking of tweaking them to make them more like my Barfleur.
As for the little details, I've often found that they're so troublesome that I don't bother to do them at all - like how I can't think of a way to present the ship's name on the stern that doesn't look ridiculous so I just don't do it. I've never been entirely satisfied with my colouring either. I use black and gold to try to get an effect similar to the ornate gilt decoration over a black base that you see on sterns like the Victory's, but obviously with 1m blocks you can't exactly replicate small scale gilt decoration.
I don't bother loading my dispenser cannons. I'm not planning on shooting them at anything! Though if I did I'd probably use fire charges. Flaming ammo isn't exactly ideal, but at least they're sort of round.
In that first picture behind Barfleur you can also see my new 5th rate. She's built to a 38-gun design that became a fairly standard size for the 5th rates at the end of the 18th century, though if you count the 10 carronades she becomes a 48 gun ship. Very heavily armed for her size.
It throws up an interesting comparison with my 5th rate razee frigate Inexorable. Inexorable is based loosely on the armament layout of Indefatigable (famously in the Hornblower books), and it seems that several of these razees had their carronades included in the gun count. Mine carries 38 long guns and 6 carronades - and so I've rated her as a 44-gun ship along with the practice that was followed for these razees.
However my new 5th rate carries four carronades more, but also in line with standard practice I'll be rating her as a 38. RN ratings got a bit odd sometimes! Still, even with the four extra carronades on the new ship the razee would be more powerful - her long guns would fire heavier shot and her hull would be of a stronger construction since it was originally for a ship of the line.
I've hit an annoying problem with the new 5th rate though - I want to widen her slightly.
I think she's proportionately just a little too narrow in the middle, so this afternoon I took a copy so I wouldn't screw things up if I made a mistake, and it's a good thing. I widened her on one side and tried copy, flip and paste like I normally do - and every time I do it I seem to get a minecraft crash, then when I open it up again the paste is in the wrong place and I can't hit undo. It's driving me nuts!
Ah, so you just sorta stuff the details and make the ship... From a distance, your stuff looks amazing, so clearly the details are only important if you're using the ship in an active world as more than decor (I'm about to build a port in my survival game, so I'll be MCEditing some cargo ships off in the distance for a bit of flavor =P). I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so I have to do as much detail as I can (except the rigging, 'cause I suck at rigging...)
But, yeah. Your stuff is awesome, and combined with CaptainGloom, I've been sufficiently inspired to create my own shipyard thread. Which won't be anywhere near as awesome as anything you or Capt.Gloom have made. But, you know, gotta start somewhere! =P
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...actually, created is a bit much.... Thought of. That's more accurate.
I wish I could include the details, but for a lot of them I haven't figured out a way to make them look good. I figure that if there's something I could add - nameplate, anchor, capstan, whatever - but I can't figure out a good way of doing it I'd rather just not add it at all. Perhaps it makes the ship less 'real', but it makes it look better I think, An absence of some of the little details is better than horrendously ugly attempts at them!
As for your own thread, please do! I always like to see more shipbuilders. It doesn't matter if it's not great to start with, there's always room to improve. I'm probably a bit odd in that I found a style that I liked really early on. Most other builders show a lot of improvement with each ship.
Thanks for the encouragement, I've got one ship up so far. Fairly boring, I might spruce it up a bit later on down the road... I'm sure you can find it (don't wanna post a link or anything and get yelled at for advertising =P). Rigging is going to be my nemesis...
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...actually, created is a bit much.... Thought of. That's more accurate.
Hence why I won't even bother making a Second Rate for a while. I think my next Napoleonic era ship will be a 3rd rate or a Bomb Ketch. Anyway nice second rate you got there.
Yeah. As I said in my edit of my previous post (which I think I was doing when you were writing that one), I'll probably compensate by making my next 1st rate noticeably larger, using the French Ocean class as a basis. That's the only way I can really think of to make it distinct from my Barfleur. More cannon!
Right from the start when I realised as I was finishing off my 1st rate that I was going to keep building ships, I knew that I was going to do at least one 3rd rate 74. I'm actually surprised it took me as long as it did to get around to it. And a bomb vessel is another one that's on my list of ships-to-do as well.
In addition I'd like to do some updates to my older ships. I know in your thread you've said that you're not going to upgrade older builds, just use the things you learn on the new ones. I like that, it's a good way to show progression. But I kinda want to have a unified fleet and if I'm going to use some of my older ships they're going to need upgrades or I won't be happy! But I'll certainly keep copies of them as they are now, and leave the pictures in the first post. The only one that I think would need too much of an overhaul to bother with is my 1st rate. There's just too many things I'd want to change in the hull that I may as well just do a new one.
I'd noticed!
I'm having a little trouble nailing down exactly what a corvette of this period would be, because I tend to use RN terminology and they didn't often use the corvette name until the Victorian age. As far as I can tell, it's in the range of what I would call a ship-sloop or a post ship. Something that's fully ship-rigged but a bit smaller than a frigate. Somewhere in the region of 20 cannons or so. Is that the sort of ship you were thinking of?
Corvettes were usually small frigates that were rather low in their design and often had holes for large oars. At least, one of my shipping books states it as such.
By the by, I have built the Santa Maria, may want to take a looksie at my shipyard.
I can never find your ship yard, may you link me?
Kinda, More of a fix of both of you were saying
Looks Like that
Sloop of wars was probably the most ambiguous designation of the Royal Navy. But considering that the term sloop of wars came from the British, and the Corvette was introduced by the French, I like to think that the Corvette was the equivalent to a sloop of war from the RN. It is slightly bigger than a sloop of war, and smaller than a frigate, but pretty much looks like one. It would carry around 20 guns and would be used to escorting missions and minor wars. After all, it wasn't used by the British until after then Napoleonic wars.
Again, I like to think that a Corvette is like the top notch of the Sloop of war classification (ships under 20 guns), just like a 5th and 6th rate, and even a 4th rate frigates can be considered ships of the lines.
I am a happy person
Thanks! I've been inactive on the shipbuilding front since I finished my Barfleur, so it's about time I started another one.
There's couple of reasons why really, and judging from your username you might appreciate this one - I've just started re-reading The Wheel of Time. I'd originally planned to have re-read the whole series in time for the release of A Memory of Light, but it seems I left it a bit late. Even so, in the last week I've powered through New Spring and most of The Eye of the World.
And on the minecraft front, I've just started playing the Technic Pack...
I'll start on another ship fairly soon. After two ships of the line I'm pretty sure that my next one will be something smaller.
...actually, created is a bit much.... Thought of. That's more accurate.
Ah yes, how's the server going, JStylow? I feel kinda bad that I came on a few times and then not again. I seem to remember you setting me to creative to build some pillars, then my client crashed. The next time I logged in there was nobody online, I was back on survival and surrounded by mobs, so I logged off again quickly! I think I just forgot to try coming on again after that. Sorry about that.
As it is I've barely played minecraft since before Christmas, but I have just started a new ship - a 5th rate frigate of 32 guns (or 38 if you count carronades in the gun rating). Hopefully she'll turn out looking very much like the bigger relative of my 6th rate but all she has at the moment is the forward starboard section of hull.
When I've got some time I might come back in and have a look.
One of my plans is definitely to make at least one map with the ships arrayed as a battle squadron - ships of the line sailing in line with frigates in the area too. But before I do that I need more ships! I also need to update a couple of my older designs to fit better with my current hull styles, mainly in the design of the bow. I might play with some of the sterns as well. The main reason behind keeping all of my ships of the line and frigates with their sails braced at the same angle is so that I can put them all together going in the same direction. Otherwise I could have experimented with more different wind directions and had individual builds that perhaps might have been a bit more interesting.
A battle sqaudron copied and pasted with these ships would be quite good, but one with more varieties of (subtly different) ships would be better - that's one of the reasons that I'd seriously like to do another 3rd rate 74 soon - to be slightly different from my Vanguard and provide more variety in a fleet.
I'd also want to build a replacement first rate, since I'm starting to feel more and more that Royal Sovereign ought to be broken up. I'm still pretty proud of her as my first ship, and especially the way I managed to do the masts and sails, but the hull's all wrong. On the other hand, I might try a spot of Pimp My First Rate to see just what I can achieve with a massive restructuring.
...actually, created is a bit much.... Thought of. That's more accurate.
I would appreciate a couple visits from some people, I successfully made it a hot topic!
My shipyard
Don't bring an overbearing and pompous captain to tears!
Here's some screenies from my drydock. The top one shows my new 2nd rate Barfleur, where I did the stern a little different to previously, trying to give it the right level of slope both on the sides of the cabins and on the rear. You can see that my older 3rd rates Diomedes and Vanguard are done a little differently, and I'm thinking of tweaking them to make them more like my Barfleur.
As for the little details, I've often found that they're so troublesome that I don't bother to do them at all - like how I can't think of a way to present the ship's name on the stern that doesn't look ridiculous so I just don't do it. I've never been entirely satisfied with my colouring either. I use black and gold to try to get an effect similar to the ornate gilt decoration over a black base that you see on sterns like the Victory's, but obviously with 1m blocks you can't exactly replicate small scale gilt decoration.
I don't bother loading my dispenser cannons. I'm not planning on shooting them at anything! Though if I did I'd probably use fire charges. Flaming ammo isn't exactly ideal, but at least they're sort of round.
In that first picture behind Barfleur you can also see my new 5th rate. She's built to a 38-gun design that became a fairly standard size for the 5th rates at the end of the 18th century, though if you count the 10 carronades she becomes a 48 gun ship. Very heavily armed for her size.
It throws up an interesting comparison with my 5th rate razee frigate Inexorable. Inexorable is based loosely on the armament layout of Indefatigable (famously in the Hornblower books), and it seems that several of these razees had their carronades included in the gun count. Mine carries 38 long guns and 6 carronades - and so I've rated her as a 44-gun ship along with the practice that was followed for these razees.
However my new 5th rate carries four carronades more, but also in line with standard practice I'll be rating her as a 38. RN ratings got a bit odd sometimes! Still, even with the four extra carronades on the new ship the razee would be more powerful - her long guns would fire heavier shot and her hull would be of a stronger construction since it was originally for a ship of the line.
I've hit an annoying problem with the new 5th rate though - I want to widen her slightly.
I think she's proportionately just a little too narrow in the middle, so this afternoon I took a copy so I wouldn't screw things up if I made a mistake, and it's a good thing. I widened her on one side and tried copy, flip and paste like I normally do - and every time I do it I seem to get a minecraft crash, then when I open it up again the paste is in the wrong place and I can't hit undo. It's driving me nuts!
But, yeah. Your stuff is awesome, and combined with CaptainGloom, I've been sufficiently inspired to create my own shipyard thread. Which won't be anywhere near as awesome as anything you or Capt.Gloom have made. But, you know, gotta start somewhere! =P
...actually, created is a bit much.... Thought of. That's more accurate.
As for your own thread, please do! I always like to see more shipbuilders. It doesn't matter if it's not great to start with, there's always room to improve. I'm probably a bit odd in that I found a style that I liked really early on. Most other builders show a lot of improvement with each ship.
...actually, created is a bit much.... Thought of. That's more accurate.