I still don't see how we're "deciding when someone should live." We're giving support to people who need it, although it does get out of hand sometimes. Making decisions about someone else's life is exactly what you're proposing if I read you correctly; cutting off a disabled person's funding is essentially killing them. But playing God isn't a solid argument even on a religious level, because in almost every theistic belief it is held true that God gave us sentience and civilization.
Don't give up hope on debating this, but don't feel discouraged to change your opinion.
Welfare is making somebody live when, essentially, they're dying. Murder is making somebody die when, essentially, they're living.
Welfare is keeping somebody from dying. Strangulation and starvation are keeping somebody from living.
They're the same concept. It's not that hard to grasp.
What makes a "superior human" is incredibly subjective, for example the nazis did eugenics to try to make what they thought was genetically superior, even though what is considered genetically superior is a entirely subjective and opinionated view point.
For instance, I can say people with 6 fingers are genetically superior to 5 fingered people because 6 fingered people have more fingers, and thus better genetics!
Or, that a albino person is genetically superior because albino people are whiter than white people.
It is not only a immoral idea, but it is also a impractical and unneeded idea.
Genetic superiority is when something is more likely to survive, end of story. That's the dictionary definition.
Although I disagree with the OP's arguments, I have got to say that sometimes the system makes me sad. There are some people that just need a hand to pull them out of a rough time in their life, but then again there are those that are on welfare only because of laziness. Then, you have those that aren't capable of working. Sometimes its hard to find out who belongs in which group, but each group deserves its own ruling.
The people who are using the system as it best used - a temporary restimulator - should be given the second chance to be a productive member of society. Those that are on welfare just because it provides an alternative to a job, however, truly disgust me. I can't summon the fury to call for a shooting line, but I won't back down from leaving them to fend for themselves.
Finally, we've come to the culling the herd argument. The retarded people; the genetically disadvantaged; and those with no hope of a full recovery. My policy is if I couldn't pull the trigger, I won't ask someone else to. Even though people with genetic disorders might be hindered, most of them can overcome their problems. The 'mentally handicapped' can occasionally churn out an excellent mind. The problem, though, is that many people find a distinct difference between killing someone and letting them die, especially if we never hear about them. Social darwinism and all that. I hadn't met enough people who fall under this category to feel sympathy, so I'll exclude my own opinion. A lot of people I've talked to, however, wouldn't oppose a more... stingy welfare system.
Were mostly talking about the mentally incapable people, I hate the averge people who live off of it and dont try to get a job.
And may I ask that you dont call them retarded, it is just not right to call them that.
Welfare is making somebody live when, essentially, they're dying. Murder is making somebody die when, essentially, they're living.
Welfare is keeping somebody from dying. Strangulation and starvation are keeping somebody from living.
They're the same concept. It's not that hard to grasp.
Even though essentially dying and essentially living is very debatable depending on subjective definitions, you didn't touch any of my other points beyond the first sentence.
I see that no one is really taking my arguments seriously. So here is the real reason that man's future is going to be destroyed, in two big and simple words so that even the most feeble of the mind can understand:
Were mostly talking about the mentally incapable people, I hate the averge people who live off of it and dont try to get a job.
And may I ask that you dont call them retarded, it is just not right to call them that.
How is it not right? :ohmy.gif: Are you pulling the politically-correct card?
But in all seriousness, I agree with what he (ignotusvir) has to say.
I see that no one is really taking my arguments seriously. So here is the real reason that man's future is going to be destroyed, in two big and simple words so that even the most feeble of the mind can understand:
Human Nature
We already had a thread about that. Whether or not you think humans are evil.
I just don't feel like arguing with people who are blind to any immoral idea.
It must be so awful for you that people tend to want to be decent to one another and not want to ignore the suffering of others based on some twisted and ignorant interpretation of biology. We're not blind to the idea, we're just not misanthropic assholes.
Genetic traits.
Which genetic traits? The poor gene? Besides the fact that not supporting these people wouldn't make them die, what set of genes is common to people on welfare?
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...may I ask that you don't call them retarded, it is just not right to call them that.
Why the hell not? Do you know what "mentally retarded" means? It means that their mental processes have been retarded (slowed down, made less efficient). It has become an insult, but that doesn't mean all definitions are insulting.
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How is it not right? :ohmy.gif: Are you pulling the politically-correct card?
But in all seriousness, I agree with what he (ignotusvir) has to say.
We already had a thread about that. Whether or not you think humans are evil.
Retarded is often used as an insult today, making it seem like they are being insluted for something that is out of their control.
Why the hell not? Do you know what "mentally retarded" means? It means that their mental processes have been retarded (slowed down, made less efficient). It has become an insult, but that doesn't mean all definitions are insulting.
If he had said mentally retarded it would have been different, but he just called them retarded, which is an insult in many people minds. I know he was probably just being lazy but it doesnt take too lon to type "mentally"
Retarded is often used as an insult today, making it seem like they are being insluted for something that is out of their control.
So... complain more? The reason it's considered an insult is because you're calling the person a slow thinker (or, a deficient thinker). The reason it's considered an insult is because you're referring to those very people.
It must be so awful for you that people tend to want to be decent to one another and not want to ignore the suffering of others based on some twisted and ignorant interpretation of biology. We're not blind to the idea, we're just not misanthropic assholes.
Only a handful of people have appreciated the idea's strong points. Most are like "killing people? That's a bad idea." Not everything that's immoral is awful in every way.
Morality isn't the entirety of the argument. There are other things to consider.
Which genetic traits? The poor gene? Besides the fact that not supporting these people wouldn't make them die, what set of genes is common to people on welfare?
I'm not saying that all welfare is bad. I'm saying supporting people who make no benefit to society isn't a good idea. There are better things to do with that money.
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So... complain more? The reason it's considered an insult is because you're calling the person a slow thinker (or, a deficient thinker). The reason it's considered an insult is because you're referring to those very people.
Eh, just ignore what I said about that, im starting to get a bit tired, and I wasnt thinking right when i said that. :dry.gif:
I'm not saying that all welfare is bad. I'm saying supporting people who make no benefit to society isn't a good idea. There are better things to do with that money.
Better things to do with the money than support citizens?
If he had said mentally retarded it would have been different, but he just called them retarded, which is an insult in many people minds. I know he was probably just being lazy but it doesn't take too long to type "mentally"
But they're retarded. So what if people misunderstand it? It's not his fault.
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So what if people misunderstand it? It's not his fault.
If he knows something like that is going to confuse people and writes it anyway, it is his fault, for the same reason it's my fault if I deliberately write in terrible grammar to inconvenience those trying to respond to me. Not that he is trying to confuse people, but you get my point.
If he knows something like that is going to confuse people and writes it anyway, it is his fault, for the same reason it's my fault if I deliberately write in terrible grammar to inconvenience those trying to respond to me. Not that he is trying to confuse people, but you get my point.
The word "bat" is often used to refer to sticks intended to strike a thrown object. Does this insult flying mammals? No.
"Crap" is often used to refer to defecation. Does this insult gamblers? No.
Words can have many meanings. Get over it.
But they're retarded. So what if people misunderstand it? It's not his fault.
I probably wouldn't have posted that if I had been more awake, I realize that now, I hadnt thought everything through. Sorry about any confusion or anything like that.
Welfare is making somebody live when, essentially, they're dying. Murder is making somebody die when, essentially, they're living.
Welfare is keeping somebody from dying. Strangulation and starvation are keeping somebody from living.
They're the same concept. It's not that hard to grasp.
Genetic superiority is when something is more likely to survive, end of story. That's the dictionary definition.
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Were mostly talking about the mentally incapable people, I hate the averge people who live off of it and dont try to get a job.
And may I ask that you dont call them retarded, it is just not right to call them that.
Even though essentially dying and essentially living is very debatable depending on subjective definitions, you didn't touch any of my other points beyond the first sentence.
By that definition, no one in our society is genetically superior.
Human Nature
How is it not right? :ohmy.gif: Are you pulling the politically-correct card?
But in all seriousness, I agree with what he (ignotusvir) has to say.
We already had a thread about that. Whether or not you think humans are evil.
It must be so awful for you that people tend to want to be decent to one another and not want to ignore the suffering of others based on some twisted and ignorant interpretation of biology. We're not blind to the idea, we're just not misanthropic assholes.
Which genetic traits? The poor gene? Besides the fact that not supporting these people wouldn't make them die, what set of genes is common to people on welfare?
Why the hell not? Do you know what "mentally retarded" means? It means that their mental processes have been retarded (slowed down, made less efficient). It has become an insult, but that doesn't mean all definitions are insulting.
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This would mean being in the army and assigned to front-line infantry makes you genetically inferior.
Retarded is often used as an insult today, making it seem like they are being insluted for something that is out of their control.
If he had said mentally retarded it would have been different, but he just called them retarded, which is an insult in many people minds. I know he was probably just being lazy but it doesnt take too lon to type "mentally"
So... complain more? The reason it's considered an insult is because you're calling the person a slow thinker (or, a deficient thinker). The reason it's considered an insult is because you're referring to those very people.
Only a handful of people have appreciated the idea's strong points. Most are like "killing people? That's a bad idea." Not everything that's immoral is awful in every way.
Morality isn't the entirety of the argument. There are other things to consider.
I'm not saying that all welfare is bad. I'm saying supporting people who make no benefit to society isn't a good idea. There are better things to do with that money.
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Eh, just ignore what I said about that, im starting to get a bit tired, and I wasnt thinking right when i said that. :dry.gif:
Better things to do with the money than support citizens?
Sounds like you inherited the "unlucky" gene then. Geez, why did the government of old even allow your parents to reproduce?
You heard that, green and red.
The word "bat" is often used to refer to sticks intended to strike a thrown object. Does this insult flying mammals? No.
"Crap" is often used to refer to defecation. Does this insult gamblers? No.
Words can have many meanings. Get over it.
But they're retarded. So what if people misunderstand it? It's not his fault.
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If he knows something like that is going to confuse people and writes it anyway, it is his fault, for the same reason it's my fault if I deliberately write in terrible grammar to inconvenience those trying to respond to me. Not that he is trying to confuse people, but you get my point.
You heard that, green and red.
You people sure do like pointing out the clauses.
I probably wouldn't have posted that if I had been more awake, I realize that now, I hadnt thought everything through. Sorry about any confusion or anything like that.