Firstly, the theory of evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.
Secondly just watch this video. It says in excellent detail how life can form from chemicals in an ocean.
But where did 'everything' come from? Doesn't it make more sense that a Creator would create everything, instead of just 'stuff' being there? Do you see what I'm saying, or am I failing epicly again?
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I love Blizzard, but god help me, WoW is a giant money engine that uses human souls as fuel.
You believe this? You do realize this is closer to hate mail than actualy facts?
I'll give you reasons to believe the Bible.
1st of all, people used the bible to find oil, and find other metals (they found copper minds in the middle east mentioned in the Bible)
They found pieces of chariots where Moses parted the Red Sea.
They have found copies of the actualy Bible (dead sea scrolls)
Israel is the only country that formed out the ashes. Look at history. When has a country been completely annihlated, and then many years later the people (which are still alive with their culture and language) come together to create a country.
How are they surviving being surrounded by enemies?
How did they win the Yom Kippor War.
How did they win their war for indepenance.
How did they turn a desolate wasteland into one of the wealthiest nations in the world?
God gave pharioah many warnigns to let his people go. he didnt listen. God used Moses to seta series a plagues upon teh Egyptians. Pharioh still didnt let them go. God killed thefirst born.
God is equally just and merciful. He is also loving, and soverign.
Take a look at prayer. I have friends who went to Uganda. They were handing out glasses. They eventually ran out of most of the higher prescriptions. All that were left were the low end reading type glasses. They prayed over them, and the reading glasses worked for EVERYONE else.
I can go on and on. But this thread isnt the best place to talk about it.
1. We can certainly know it happens from parting of the sea.
2. I thought god was forgiving.
3. Prayer has been proven fake, medical tests have been made.
K guys, there are seperate threads for this, no need to start another heated debate.
everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, nuff said. Dont try to persuade them otherwise. thats what politicians are for, and we all hate them :smile.gif:
Firstly, the theory of evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.
Secondly just watch this video. It says in excellent detail how life can form from chemicals in an ocean.
But where did 'everything' come from? Doesn't it make more sense that a Creator would create everything, instead of just 'stuff' being there? Do you see what I'm saying, or am I failing epicly again?
Has it even been 10 minutes since blaster posted the video?
hehe, prayer has been proven fake by whom where with what people?
Go hear people in 3rd world countries talk about prayer.
Go talk to the guy who worked up his way through the DC police department, and worked for the CIA to infiltrate radical muslim groups and take them down BY USING PRAYER (and christianity).
hehe, prayer has been proven fake by whom where with what people?
Go hear people in 3rd world countries talk about prayer.
Go talk to the guy who worked up his way through the DC police department, and worked for the CIA to infiltrate radical muslim groups and take them down BY USING PRAYER (and christianity).
How does someone use prayer? How do we know prayer did anything?
It was shown that people who were prayed for and people who weren't prayed for at a medical facility had no difference in health.
I'm pretty sure all those people were christians too.
Also, I'm pretty sure you didn't look at all the websites.
Your god killed innocent people. He is unjust. I don't care if this is hate mail, it's my opinion.
Firstly, the theory of evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.
Secondly just watch this video. It says in excellent detail how life can form from chemicals in an ocean.
But where did 'everything' come from? Doesn't it make more sense that a Creator would create everything, instead of just 'stuff' being there? Do you see what I'm saying, or am I failing epicly again?
Has it even been 10 minutes since blaster posted the video?
There was a five minute span between the two posts, and that's not counting how long it took for the guy to read blaster's post and make one of his own. Lol.
Firstly, the theory of evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.
Secondly just watch this video. It says in excellent detail how life can form from chemicals in an ocean.
But where did 'everything' come from? Doesn't it make more sense that a Creator would create everything, instead of just 'stuff' being there? Do you see what I'm saying, or am I failing epicly again?
Has it even been 10 minutes since blaster posted the video?
No, I didn't watch it fully yet. But most of these are the same thing. I know the whole deal about how everything became more complex, and we evolved smarter, etc. But what none of these videos mention, is how everything came to be. I think I'm de-railing this thread, so I'll stop here. I hope you all see my point, though.
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I love Blizzard, but god help me, WoW is a giant money engine that uses human souls as fuel.
But where did 'everything' come from? Doesn't it make more sense that a Creator would create everything, instead of just 'stuff' being there? Do you see what I'm saying, or am I failing epicly again?
Has it even been 10 minutes since blaster posted the video?
NO, I didn't watch it fully yet. But most of these are the same thing. I know the whole deal about how everything became more complex, and we evolved smarter, etc. But what none of these videos mention, is how everything came to be. I think I'm de-railing this thread, so I'll stop here. I hope you all see my point, though.
Personally, it's my opinion that theism or creationism isn't disproved by evolution (that argument is horrible) or abiogensis.
No, I didn't watch it fully yet. But most of these are the same thing. I know the whole deal about how everything became more complex, and we evolved smarter, etc. But what none of these videos mention, is how everything came to be. I think I'm de-railing this thread, so I'll stop here. I hope you all see my point, though.
Personally, it's my opinion that theism or creationism isn't disproved by evolution (that argument is horrible) or abiogensis.
I believe in God, and and I believe what he says through the Bible. And in the Bible, he clearly states that he created Man in his own image. Not some basic mud or the like. I don't see how a believer can merge these 2 beliefs and agree with both.
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I love Blizzard, but god help me, WoW is a giant money engine that uses human souls as fuel.
NO, I didn't watch it fully yet. But most of these are the same thing. I know the whole deal about how everything became more complex, and we evolved smarter, etc. But what none of these videos mention, is how everything came to be. I think I'm de-railing this thread, so I'll stop here. I hope you all see my point, though.
One last point by me.
The theory of evolution only predicts evolution, not how the universe was created.
The theory of abiogenesis predicts why life started. The video I posted is about this.
The big bang is completely irrelevant to evolution and abiogenesis.
I thought science was the one not to assume, yet each one of those listed have had the title "Theory".
Now, I don't disagree with science, but is that now what science says?
NO, I didn't watch it fully yet. But most of these are the same thing. I know the whole deal about how everything became more complex, and we evolved smarter, etc. But what none of these videos mention, is how everything came to be. I think I'm de-railing this thread, so I'll stop here. I hope you all see my point, though.
One last point by me.
The theory of evolution only predicts evolution, not how the universe was created.
The theory of abiogenesis predicts why life started. The video I posted is about this.
The big bang is completely irrelevant to evolution and abiogenesis.
I thought science was the one not to assume, yet each one of those listed have had the title "Theory".
Now, I don't disagree with science, but is that now what science says?
You misunderstand science.
Science is the understanding of the world around you.
We can only theorize what happened, just by backing it up with scientific details to prove it more correct.
Creationism is what people who were ignorant used back in the ol' days to explain life.
You dont buy a wasteland, and then turn it into an economic powerhouse.
I dont care how much irrigation you have. Its the desert. Nothing grows in the desert. No one wants to try to grow stuff in the desert. Then Israel came and wallah, you have tons of food and plants and green things.
Go read the Bible in GREEK or HEBREW. English translations screw stuff up.
Have you read the new testament (not just revelation)? THe bible was meant to be read as a whole, not just the bits and pieces you want to read.
The culture for most of the world back then was extremely sexist. yes, everything was MALE MALE MALE MALE. I'm sorry.
I'm not trying to prove to you that I'm right and you're wrong. I just dont like you saying that my God is a hater, a killer, a racist and so forth.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect yours.
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You misunderstand science.
Science is the understanding of the world around you.
We can only theorize what happened, just by backing it up with scientific details to prove it more correct.
Creationism is what people who were ignorant used back in the ol' days to explain life.
You would call people who are creationists, people who "assumed", then correct? Then what is science doing about the beginning of life? Assuming. Backing it up with the fact a cell can be made by combining atoms doesn't neglect the fact that there had to be something there for the entire time, then, whether God or the atom, and which one sounds like it could've made this?
I thought science was the one not to assume, yet each one of those listed have had the title "Theory".
Now, I don't disagree with science, but is that now what science says?
There is no position higher in science than a Theory. Only mathematics can contain absolutes. Next time please actually go and learn what "Theory" means in science.
You mean when Aristotle discovered the placement method, the highest it went was a "theory"? I disagree, you seem to know less than me, science goes by this,
Thought-Theory-Experiment-Evidence-More evidence-Concluded fact
Until it reaches concluded fact, it is a theory.
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You misunderstand science.
Science is the understanding of the world around you.
We can only theorize what happened, just by backing it up with scientific details to prove it more correct.
Creationism is what people who were ignorant used back in the ol' days to explain life.
You would call people who are creationists, people who "assumed", then correct? Then what is science doing about the beginning of life? Assuming. Backing it up with the fact a cell can be made by combining atoms doesn't neglect the fact that there had to be something there for the entire time, then, whether God or the atom, and which one sounds like it could've made this?
The atom sounds like it could of made this to me. We make computers out of Atoms. Living things are just ultra-complex carbon computers.
You cannot resemble life's unpredictability with a computer, computers use variables, while life uses judgement, variables, and outside effects.
1. We can certainly know it happens from parting of the sea.
2. I thought god was forgiving.
3. Prayer has been proven fake, medical tests have been made.
everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, nuff said. Dont try to persuade them otherwise. thats what politicians are for, and we all hate them :smile.gif:
Has it even been 10 minutes since blaster posted the video?
hehe, prayer has been proven fake by whom where with what people?
Go hear people in 3rd world countries talk about prayer.
Go talk to the guy who worked up his way through the DC police department, and worked for the CIA to infiltrate radical muslim groups and take them down BY USING PRAYER (and christianity).
How does someone use prayer? How do we know prayer did anything?
It was shown that people who were prayed for and people who weren't prayed for at a medical facility had no difference in health.
I'm pretty sure all those people were christians too.
Also, I'm pretty sure you didn't look at all the websites.
Your god killed innocent people. He is unjust. I don't care if this is hate mail, it's my opinion.
There was a five minute span between the two posts, and that's not counting how long it took for the guy to read blaster's post and make one of his own. Lol.
You heard that, green and red.
No, I didn't watch it fully yet. But most of these are the same thing. I know the whole deal about how everything became more complex, and we evolved smarter, etc. But what none of these videos mention, is how everything came to be. I think I'm de-railing this thread, so I'll stop here. I hope you all see my point, though.
Personally, it's my opinion that theism or creationism isn't disproved by evolution (that argument is horrible) or abiogensis.
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Here you go :wink.gif:
Have a blast.
I believe in God, and and I believe what he says through the Bible. And in the Bible, he clearly states that he created Man in his own image. Not some basic mud or the like. I don't see how a believer can merge these 2 beliefs and agree with both.
I thought science was the one not to assume, yet each one of those listed have had the title "Theory".
Now, I don't disagree with science, but is that now what science says?
Yeah, I'm getting a little crazed in here :tongue.gif:
You misunderstand science.
Science is the understanding of the world around you.
We can only theorize what happened, just by backing it up with scientific details to prove it more correct.
Creationism is what people who were ignorant used back in the ol' days to explain life.
I dont care how much irrigation you have. Its the desert. Nothing grows in the desert. No one wants to try to grow stuff in the desert. Then Israel came and wallah, you have tons of food and plants and green things.
Go read the Bible in GREEK or HEBREW. English translations screw stuff up.
Have you read the new testament (not just revelation)? THe bible was meant to be read as a whole, not just the bits and pieces you want to read.
The culture for most of the world back then was extremely sexist. yes, everything was MALE MALE MALE MALE. I'm sorry.
I'm not trying to prove to you that I'm right and you're wrong. I just dont like you saying that my God is a hater, a killer, a racist and so forth.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect yours.
You would call people who are creationists, people who "assumed", then correct? Then what is science doing about the beginning of life? Assuming. Backing it up with the fact a cell can be made by combining atoms doesn't neglect the fact that there had to be something there for the entire time, then, whether God or the atom, and which one sounds like it could've made this?
You mean when Aristotle discovered the placement method, the highest it went was a "theory"? I disagree, you seem to know less than me, science goes by this,
Thought-Theory-Experiment-Evidence-More evidence-Concluded fact
Until it reaches concluded fact, it is a theory.
Logically.
Something cannot come from something.
There had to be a beginning.
Who made the laws that govern out universe? I dont believe the laws of thermodynamics were made because some stuff decided to go Kah-poot.
Evolution would be fine EXCEPT that it implies that we are no better than animals, which I strongly disagree with.
No one will really find the answer. Just be happy that you're here, and not in Africa.
You cannot resemble life's unpredictability with a computer, computers use variables, while life uses judgement, variables, and outside effects.