So yeah, it may or may not be over-hyped, but stuff is happening supposedly in Egypt right now. People saying they want freedom, liberty, and the right to choose their own government system.
So far about a dozen people have been killed. I'm wondering if Egypt, the second oldest sovereign state in the world will start a new path.
So what are your thoughts on Hosni Mubarak, the protests, or the whole thing?
Sorry if this does not warrant a discussion, but I hope North African politics aren't discouraged.
I support them myself, but I also realize that revolutions and major changes by force are very hard to do in the post-modern world.
The only reason USA was really able to do it was cause there was a huge ocean dividing the UK and the colonies, and no one else had all too much interest *there was some but not too much.*
The fact that Egypt tries to do this is great, but if they form a infant government, they need to quickly *incredibly quickly* make proper defense for themselves, as the local governments in that area *as we all know* would not be all too supportive of these actions, and might do something that will put them in a place that was worse than before.
They just need to be really careful, and somehow muster the help of a larger state that is willing to help them.
i don't know anything about Egypt or its politics, so don't blame me.
Yah, a lot of people are blaming *or possibly thanking* youtube, facebook, etc. for provoking this, but I'm not so sure.
It's similar to the Tunisia stuff I guess.
I've never looked into Egypt's politics really (although you'd I would see something like this >.>) As long as a larger state is willing to help them stabilize the new government, then I have no problem with it. However, if they have no real plan, then they're pretty much screwed.
That's what I think, but it would make things interesting.
We might see two sided pressure on Hamas.
I wonder what Israels opinions are on these protests.
I commend their effort, but I fear it'll go in vain.
Rumors have it that tomorrow Mubarak will block internet and 3 mobile networks, eventually preventing any info from leaking out. Then it'll be systematically suppressed behind the curtains, and all protesters imprisoned.
He's well prepared, evidently, with 20,000 anti-riot policemen hard at work. Sad.
PS: if it succeeds, there is also a danger of it turning into another Iran.
I can't argue with resistance against a horrid state, and hopefully the government will completely collapse. Maybe anothr Somalia will happen, which would be best. The sooner the governments collapse, the better. I'm betting the US only has about 30 years left itself.
If these statistics are correct, it doesn't look good for secular democracy.
Chances are, another intolerant theocracy will emerge out of this. I hope I am wrong.
I'm betting the US only has about 30 years left itself.
We aren't going to fall to anarchy. There are enough sensible people left to assure that doesn't happen. I won't rule out a violent revolt though. ****'s getting tense. Hopefully, we can avoid both.
I don't want get involved. We've got our **** in enough countries as it is. **** Egypt, let them sort it out themselves.
You're right, we should just let a geopolitically significant country just "sort it's self out." Plus, it's not like those people matter, they're not even American. Sheesh, what are we thinking...
So far about a dozen people have been killed. I'm wondering if Egypt, the second oldest sovereign state in the world will start a new path.
So what are your thoughts on Hosni Mubarak, the protests, or the whole thing?
Sorry if this does not warrant a discussion, but I hope North African politics aren't discouraged.
That is the anthem, the slogan, the summary of events
I support them myself, but I also realize that revolutions and major changes by force are very hard to do in the post-modern world.
The only reason USA was really able to do it was cause there was a huge ocean dividing the UK and the colonies, and no one else had all too much interest *there was some but not too much.*
The fact that Egypt tries to do this is great, but if they form a infant government, they need to quickly *incredibly quickly* make proper defense for themselves, as the local governments in that area *as we all know* would not be all too supportive of these actions, and might do something that will put them in a place that was worse than before.
They just need to be really careful, and somehow muster the help of a larger state that is willing to help them.
i don't know anything about Egypt or its politics, so don't blame me.
Yah, a lot of people are blaming *or possibly thanking* youtube, facebook, etc. for provoking this, but I'm not so sure.
It's similar to the Tunisia stuff I guess.
That's what I think, but it would make things interesting.
We might see two sided pressure on Hamas.
I wonder what Israels opinions are on these protests.
Rumors have it that tomorrow Mubarak will block internet and 3 mobile networks, eventually preventing any info from leaking out. Then it'll be systematically suppressed behind the curtains, and all protesters imprisoned.
He's well prepared, evidently, with 20,000 anti-riot policemen hard at work. Sad.
PS: if it succeeds, there is also a danger of it turning into another Iran.
If it does other muslim countries wil probably do the same thing.
They need someone to keep them on a leash, we dont need another jihad...
http://anarchyinyourhead.com/
http://www.strike-the-root.com/
http://mises.org/
If these statistics are correct, it doesn't look good for secular democracy.
Chances are, another intolerant theocracy will emerge out of this. I hope I am wrong.
We aren't going to fall to anarchy. There are enough sensible people left to assure that doesn't happen. I won't rule out a violent revolt though. ****'s getting tense. Hopefully, we can avoid both.
And Obama has already stated that the U.S is ready to get involved, and is behind the people. We'll see what comes of it...
You're right, we should just let a geopolitically significant country just "sort it's self out." Plus, it's not like those people matter, they're not even American. Sheesh, what are we thinking...
The only reason for this is because I have an obsession for ancient egypt. And nothing else matters except for my obsessions.
... But honestly, I shouldn't say too much, because I'm under-educated on this situation. I should probably Google some stuff up on this.