These three videos really got me thinking. It makes so much sense. The nose-out shots, the random Gash in the North Tower.
I watched all of the September Clues video series, and I'm almost convinced there's some foul play involved. Before commenting, please watch the videos (at least those three). And don't call me a conspiracy nut, these actually make some sort of sense. Simonshack has some great footage and video evidence. What I like about this series is that it uses media evidence, hard evidence that was shown to all of us, it doesn't dwell in 'theories' of demolition or crap which is disputed. This is just analyzing the video content.
Thoughts? Mods, please lock if this gets too nasty, but give it a chance, the minecraft community seems relatively more mature than other places. I don't want to intentionally start a flame war, but this is interesting stuff.
Also, a last thought: A plane is traveling at 550mph and hits a solid steel building, incinerating everthing inside and fast enough to apparently weaken the steel and cause both megaton buildings to collapse on itself. There is no luggage, no evidence that a plane was there, EXCEPT an unscathed passport of one of the terrorists piloting the plane, mohammed atta. Supposedly that passport survived the huge impact, the incineration, flying out of the building at high speed, and then getting crushed by debris. You tell me if that's possible. There's not a scrap of any other luggage or evidence of any passenger, somehow, only the terrorist's survived. Convenient much?
So what? When a plane (that has plenty of flammable fuel aboard), explodes when it hits a building, that's considered conspiratorial? Basically, planes explode when they crash because they're full of flammable liquid. The explosion coming out from all sides of the building is because a frieking plane crashed in it.
So what? When a plane (that has plenty of flammable fuel aboard), explodes when it hits a building, that's considered conspiratorial? Basically, planes explode when they crash because they're full of flammable liquid. The explosion coming out from all sides of the building is because a frieking plane crashed in it.
Doesn't need more explaining than that.
Yep, you didn't watch the videos.
I don't want to be insulting but NEVER do planes just melt into buildings before exploding. Metal on Metal with fuel causes crumpling and explosion.
Also, I don't appreciate it if people don't view both sides of the story before having an opinion. That is ignorance.
Please watch more of the videos (Rather the september clues videos) and you might see what's 'fake' in there.
Please explain to me how the cockpit somehow survived the explosion after crashing headfirst into a wiremesh and come out of the other side of the building.
Explain how in the North Tower explosion video, a gash suddenly appears, and then dissapears for all the other videos?
I didnt watch the videos, but I know some stuff on conspiricy theries and for one I just couldnt believe a country could purposly kill their own people and destroy a major landmark just to send tons of soilders into the middle east just for some oil, if you have some other theiry please speak it.
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I don't want to be insulting but NEVER do planes just melt into buildings before exploding. Metal on Metal with fuel causes crumpling and explosion.
Also, I don't appreciate it if people don't view both sides of the story before having an opinion. That is ignorance.
Please watch more of the videos (Rather the september clues videos) and you might see what's 'fake' in there.
Please explain to me how the cockpit somehow survived the explosion after crashing headfirst into a wiremesh and come out of the other side of the building.
Explain how in the North Tower explosion video, a gash suddenly appears, and then dissapears for all the other videos?
I don't need to watch the videos because I don't need factoids pushed on me.
Look, plane fuel is highly incendiary. The explosion, mixed with the force of colliding with a building would melt and tear it apart. This collision was full speed, into a large building. It probably vaporised from the explosion from the friction. Google plane crashes, you can see how strewn about they are. And on large planes, 9/10 times it's a flaming blasted wreck because it explodes. Now in a building, where the vast section of the explosion was contained inside the building, combined with the friction of a plane hitting a massive building, of course it will disappear in the flaming incendiary explosion.
PS: I don't care to watch them. All the facts are misnomers and factoids as well.
I didnt watch the videos, but I know some stuff on conspiricy theries and for one I just couldnt believe a country could purposly kill their own people and destroy a major landmark just to send tons of soilders into the middle east just for some oil, if you have some other theiry please speak it.
-The WTC Complex was losing Millions a year in revenue, also, the asbestos removal from the steel beams on the WTC would have costed another couple of million (asbestos is poisonous and was being removed when 9/11 happened). Believe it or not, a terrorist attack would have cost less to clean up than keeping the buildings up and running.
-Larry Silverstein, The owner of the WTC complex, made 3 billion dollars off insurance money from the terrorist attacks. In fact, he got insurance for terrorist attacks only 2 weeks before 9/11.
-Operation Northwood. Search it up.
It might seem tough for the government to kill its own people, but in the long run it costed less than letting the towers run.
I don't want to be insulting but NEVER do planes just melt into buildings before exploding. Metal on Metal with fuel causes crumpling and explosion.
Also, I don't appreciate it if people don't view both sides of the story before having an opinion. That is ignorance.
Please watch more of the videos (Rather the september clues videos) and you might see what's 'fake' in there.
Please explain to me how the cockpit somehow survived the explosion after crashing headfirst into a wiremesh and come out of the other side of the building.
Explain how in the North Tower explosion video, a gash suddenly appears, and then dissapears for all the other videos?
I don't need to watch the videos because I don't need factoids pushed on me.
Look, plane fuel is highly incendiary. The explosion, mixed with the force of colliding with a building would melt and tear it apart. This collision was full speed, into a large building. It probably vaporised from the explosion from the friction. Google plane crashes, you can see how strewn about they are. And on large planes, 9/10 times it's a flaming blasted wreck because it explodes. Now in a building, where the vast section of the explosion was contained inside the building, combined with the friction of a plane hitting a massive building, of course it will disappear in the flaming incendiary explosion.
PS: I don't care to watch them. All the facts are misnomers and factoids as well.
Sorry then, I'm not replying to you anymore. You yourself said that the plane would melt apart. Then why did the 'nose' of the plane get through the building in the last video? Video trickery would seem like the only answer.
Also, if everything was vaporized, how did Mohammed Atta's (one of the terrorists) passport survive the incineration impact, and the collapse of two towers?
If you refuse to watch the videos and make assumptions all by yourself, so be it, it's your choice to be misinformed and only have a one sided opinion, just don't expect me to argue with you then. I only argue with people who have spent time to view both sides of the story. Sorry.
I can only say one thing to all your evidence, we live in a strange world and strange things happen, nothing can be trully predicted to the dot, but nothing ever happens just once, "history is writen by the victors" IDK who wrote this but I have taken it to heart, the victors story is taken to truth and losers is forgotten in time, if you are correct whoever knows what happened that day is either dead or silent, I for one believe strange things happen, things we cant exactly explain, and evidence can be seen in multiple ways, and conspiricies are born, in the end what the winners believe becomes truth, when most people believe it , it becomes fact, in the end what is not fact is lost, what people dont believe is lost, and if the government truly wanted no one to know the truth you would be lost, but time goes on and all we can do is learn from its as a mistake and make sure it doesnt happens to us again, so welcome to the real world where no one but those involved know the whole truth and what we know is force fed to us by the winners, so keep close eyes on what you see, keen ears on what you hear and one day we may all know the real truth or realize that what was the truth was what we were force fed all along.
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I hate how some people are so 'patriotic' that they won't even keep an open mind, turning a blind eye to the darker secrets of their country.
As for this, I dunno.
I'm not saying that it was a hoax, conspiracy, or whatever, but I'm saying it could be, and that the US government is perfectly capable of going to such extents to fill its needs.
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I watched the videos and they have a lot of compelling evidence towards a conspiracy theory. The Gash. The Nose in and then out. After crashing into the world trade center the "plane" would be completely destroyed. The cockpit could have come out the other side but with lots of damage to it. So I partly agreed with a conspiracy theory after watching this BUT I don't believe that the US Government would condemn 1000's of people to death just to invade a country. Also if that "plane" didn't crash what happened to the "people" on it?
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I watched the videos and they have a lot of compelling evidence towards a conspiracy theory. The Gash. The Nose in and then out. After crashing into the world trade center the "plane" would be completely destroyed. The cockpit could have come out the other side but with lots of damage to it. So I partly agreed with a conspiracy theory after watching this
Yup.
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BUT I don't believe that the US Government would condemn 1000's of people to death just to invade a country.
Obviously you do not know how a government works. Governments work differently than people, as they base their actions on logic instead of ideals.
LOGIC: Pros and cons of hoaxing a terrorist attack.
Pros:
-An excuse to invade another country, specifically one in which we have a great interest in for its resources.
- Increased patriotism among US citizens.
-Possible war. War is always good for a government.
Cons:
-Dead people.
-Possible civil war if the hoax is discovered.
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Also if that "plane" didn't crash what happened to the "people" on it?
Most likely they would have been killed. Of course, this is all speculation, I for one have no idea what really happened, nor do I care.
I don't see how WTC building 7 crashed but I haven't read any new evidence since like 2003. Also seeing a few pictures of the rubble there was one photo of a girder that looked as if it had but cut diagonally.
I also heard that a week before 9/11 the security cameras had been turned off and men with large rolls of wire were going into the buildings. Could they have been wiring the buildings to explode? Did they know terrorists were coming and were planning to make things even worse?
Could there be some relation to Securacom that sold security related equipment to the world trade center who Marvin Bush (George W's) Brother was board of directors for from 1993- 2000?
I don't see how WTC building 7 crashed but I haven't read any new evidence since like 2003. Also seeing a few pictures of the rubble there was one photo of a girder that looked as if it had but cut diagonally.
I also heard that a week before 9/11 the security cameras had been turned off and men with large rolls of wire were going into the buildings. Could they have been wiring the buildings to explode? Did they know terrorists were coming and were planning to make things even worse?
Could there be some relation to Securacom that sold security related equipment to the world trade center who Marvin Bush (George W's) Brother was board of directors for from 1993- 2000?
It is all pretty crazy ****.
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about WTC7, that's a huge part in the WTC conspiracy theories.
And that's true that the security camera and bomb dogs were removed, not sure about the wire though. There were also random evacuation drills before 9/11 that occured in both towers.
And yeah, there might be a connection with Marvin Bush too.
Also if that "plane" didn't crash what happened to the "people" on it?
Did you know that Flight 11 and Flight 77, two of the planes that occured in the terrorist attacks, were not even scheduled to fly that day?
In the ATC logbooks, there is no mention of flight 11 and flight 77. It's as if the planes, the flights, and maybe even the people never existed. http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims.htm
Best evidence for shananigans IMO. I mean look at the video... freakin molten metal pouring out of the tower? What?
Interesting stuff...this is amazing evidence.
Also, concerning the Pentagon, there was a hole maybe 100 feet wide when a 757 is about 150 feet wide. People say it's because the plane's wings 'folded' because of the impact. Well, that didn't happen with the Twin towers did it? They just melted in like a knife in hot butter.
Also, the Pentagon has over 5000 security cameras, and you're telling me only one low definition CCTV caught a blur? That's it? Bullcrap.
Also, in this video, what the hell caused the rubber of the cars to melt and the whole car to be so charred and destroyed? Surely not the dust cloud because of the twin towers collapsing? check out 4:50, what the hell caused the bus to completely burn up?
I've discussed this issue for many months with people who wrap the selves up in the American flag, those who just out right refuse to look at facts, and some so ****in stupid it almost makes me want to support eugenics. I honestly don't give a **** anymore. Do i think there is something wrong with the official 9/11 report? Yes. Do i think the government would lie to start a war? Yes. That is all I'm going to say.
These three videos really got me thinking. It makes so much sense. The nose-out shots, the random Gash in the North Tower.
I watched all of the September Clues video series, and I'm almost convinced there's some foul play involved. Before commenting, please watch the videos (at least those three). And don't call me a conspiracy nut, these actually make some sort of sense. Simonshack has some great footage and video evidence. What I like about this series is that it uses media evidence, hard evidence that was shown to all of us, it doesn't dwell in 'theories' of demolition or crap which is disputed. This is just analyzing the video content.
Thoughts? Mods, please lock if this gets too nasty, but give it a chance, the minecraft community seems relatively more mature than other places. I don't want to intentionally start a flame war, but this is interesting stuff.
Also, another interesting read about WTC6: http://www.bollyn.com/the-mystery-of-wtc-6
These two forums are full of good information. I've highlighted two threads that I just searched to find the forums that are pretty interesting:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread496897/pg1/
http://letsrollforums.com/did-wtc-have-fake-t22705.html
Also, a last thought: A plane is traveling at 550mph and hits a solid steel building, incinerating everthing inside and fast enough to apparently weaken the steel and cause both megaton buildings to collapse on itself. There is no luggage, no evidence that a plane was there, EXCEPT an unscathed passport of one of the terrorists piloting the plane, mohammed atta. Supposedly that passport survived the huge impact, the incineration, flying out of the building at high speed, and then getting crushed by debris. You tell me if that's possible. There's not a scrap of any other luggage or evidence of any passenger, somehow, only the terrorist's survived. Convenient much?
Doesn't need more explaining than that.
Yep, you didn't watch the videos.
I don't want to be insulting but NEVER do planes just melt into buildings before exploding. Metal on Metal with fuel causes crumpling and explosion.
Also, I don't appreciate it if people don't view both sides of the story before having an opinion. That is ignorance.
Please watch more of the videos (Rather the september clues videos) and you might see what's 'fake' in there.
Please explain to me how the cockpit somehow survived the explosion after crashing headfirst into a wiremesh and come out of the other side of the building.
Explain how in the North Tower explosion video, a gash suddenly appears, and then dissapears for all the other videos?
I could go on and on and on...
Also, another interesting read about WTC6: http://www.bollyn.com/the-mystery-of-wtc-6
I don't need to watch the videos because I don't need factoids pushed on me.
Look, plane fuel is highly incendiary. The explosion, mixed with the force of colliding with a building would melt and tear it apart. This collision was full speed, into a large building. It probably vaporised from the explosion from the friction. Google plane crashes, you can see how strewn about they are. And on large planes, 9/10 times it's a flaming blasted wreck because it explodes. Now in a building, where the vast section of the explosion was contained inside the building, combined with the friction of a plane hitting a massive building, of course it will disappear in the flaming incendiary explosion.
PS: I don't care to watch them. All the facts are misnomers and factoids as well.
-The WTC Complex was losing Millions a year in revenue, also, the asbestos removal from the steel beams on the WTC would have costed another couple of million (asbestos is poisonous and was being removed when 9/11 happened). Believe it or not, a terrorist attack would have cost less to clean up than keeping the buildings up and running.
-Larry Silverstein, The owner of the WTC complex, made 3 billion dollars off insurance money from the terrorist attacks. In fact, he got insurance for terrorist attacks only 2 weeks before 9/11.
-Operation Northwood. Search it up.
It might seem tough for the government to kill its own people, but in the long run it costed less than letting the towers run.
Here's some other facts, also, it's an interesting forum in itself with a lot of info: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread633311/pg1
Sorry then, I'm not replying to you anymore. You yourself said that the plane would melt apart. Then why did the 'nose' of the plane get through the building in the last video? Video trickery would seem like the only answer.
Also, if everything was vaporized, how did Mohammed Atta's (one of the terrorists) passport survive the incineration impact, and the collapse of two towers?
If you refuse to watch the videos and make assumptions all by yourself, so be it, it's your choice to be misinformed and only have a one sided opinion, just don't expect me to argue with you then. I only argue with people who have spent time to view both sides of the story. Sorry.
As for this, I dunno.
I'm not saying that it was a hoax, conspiracy, or whatever, but I'm saying it could be, and that the US government is perfectly capable of going to such extents to fill its needs.
Yup.
Obviously you do not know how a government works. Governments work differently than people, as they base their actions on logic instead of ideals.
LOGIC: Pros and cons of hoaxing a terrorist attack.
Pros:
-An excuse to invade another country, specifically one in which we have a great interest in for its resources.
- Increased patriotism among US citizens.
-Possible war. War is always good for a government.
Cons:
-Dead people.
-Possible civil war if the hoax is discovered.
Most likely they would have been killed. Of course, this is all speculation, I for one have no idea what really happened, nor do I care.
I also heard that a week before 9/11 the security cameras had been turned off and men with large rolls of wire were going into the buildings. Could they have been wiring the buildings to explode? Did they know terrorists were coming and were planning to make things even worse?
Could there be some relation to Securacom that sold security related equipment to the world trade center who Marvin Bush (George W's) Brother was board of directors for from 1993- 2000?
It is all pretty crazy ****.
I do not believe they could do it without someone high up coming out and admitting it.
That is the anthem, the slogan, the summary of events
Pfft...
Why do you think they also 'attacked' the Pentagon?
It was obviously a show to any potential whistle-blowers:
YOU DO NOT **** WITH THE US GOV.
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about WTC7, that's a huge part in the WTC conspiracy theories.
And that's true that the security camera and bomb dogs were removed, not sure about the wire though. There were also random evacuation drills before 9/11 that occured in both towers.
And yeah, there might be a connection with Marvin Bush too.
Did you know that Flight 11 and Flight 77, two of the planes that occured in the terrorist attacks, were not even scheduled to fly that day?
In the ATC logbooks, there is no mention of flight 11 and flight 77. It's as if the planes, the flights, and maybe even the people never existed.
http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims.htm
great video made me lol ^^
Best evidence for shananigans IMO. I mean look at the video... freakin molten metal pouring out of the tower? What?
Interesting stuff...this is amazing evidence.
Also, concerning the Pentagon, there was a hole maybe 100 feet wide when a 757 is about 150 feet wide. People say it's because the plane's wings 'folded' because of the impact. Well, that didn't happen with the Twin towers did it? They just melted in like a knife in hot butter.
Also, the Pentagon has over 5000 security cameras, and you're telling me only one low definition CCTV caught a blur? That's it? Bullcrap.
Also, in this video, what the hell caused the rubber of the cars to melt and the whole car to be so charred and destroyed? Surely not the dust cloud because of the twin towers collapsing? check out 4:50, what the hell caused the bus to completely burn up?