Well he promised his 800 billion dollar stimulus would prevent unemployment from going beyond 8%.... We passed that ages ago think it's past 10% now.
To quantify how much wasted money that was, you could buy enough gold to make more sherman tanks out of solid gold than were used in ww2 I believe my calculations were about 20k+ solid gold tanks by volume. It was estimated it would cost about 500billion to form a hydrogen car infrastructure nationwide. Retrofitting ALL the coal powerplants in the USA to IGCC 'clean coal' could have been done 3 times over with that amount of money. You could buy enough CAT5 cable to reach the moon I think... 15 times? You could buy everyone on earth a nice bike. You could buy a round of beer for everyone on the entire planet over 100 times. Everyone in the city of St louis and surrounding area could have at least TWO Porche 911's a few people get 3 or for an easier quantification every single person in the state of Missouri gets at least one and a lucky 2million others get 2 ...
So it was a ton of money right? You'd think it would be tracked well... it wasn't. It was squandered massively, much of the funds can't even be accounted for now.
Then the healthcare thing... criminalizing not buying insurance... thanks. At least it didn't go as far as he wanted. But "no public option" isn't much consolation to the fact that due to this law insurance rates have already increased by 2% just from the "keep people on insurance til 26" and things like that.
Oh but I guess there are how many states filing suit against the federal government for you know, violating the constitution... 20 I think is the current count.
His failed attempt to close git-mo resulted in all the states saying "not in my backyard"
Perhaps there's a reason... why we had a military prison in shark infested waters where the only two options are "get eaten by sharks, shot to death, or worse... escape into Cuba."
Then the most destructive thing he wants...
Then his energy policy generally consists of purely taxing carbon as though that'll make the entire world a fairy land where wind and solar are somehow manufactured with free energy? Do people not realize that factories run on electricity which is made over half the energy by COAL -> carbon. Tax carbon and the price of everything increases. That includes solar panels and wind turbines. If it isn't grown it's mined, and all things mined need energy to refine, process, and manufacture.
It's been estimated that after a short time in a cap and trade "carbon tax" punishment system, it would cost the nation 3 trillion dollars and result in rolling blackouts. This is plainly due to that no matter how fast you make wind turbines and solar plants, there's no way they can keep up with the demand. Wind and solar are not energy sources like they're often portrayed, they're supplemental energy. They relieve pressure, but there's no way they can provide constant reliable power in any reasonable quantity. Decades of economic progress would be lost in merely years from a cap and trade system.
And if you want to talk about "your generation has screwed over my generation"
Look at social security.
A majority voted themselves free money at one point because more of them could pay less for their elderly to retire.
Decades later the majority get free money off the minority who now has to pay several times more.
Basically meaning they're getting a several-fold return on how much they paid in compared to the pittance you will get in comparison to what you pay now.
FYI also,
no the teaparty isn't alone on hating Obama
The most recent Gallup poll shows Obama's approval at 43% approve 48% disapprove.
Democrats stand to lose many seats in the senate this November as well,
that is unless you watch MSNBC who's still keepin the faith....
Well he promised his 800 billion dollar stimulus would prevent unemployment from going beyond 8%.... We passed that ages ago think it's past 10% now.
Because certainly that means it did nothing.
I must say that I'm of the opinion that the healthcare bill didn't go far enough. It's kind of been butchered and bastardized, but we'll see if it's been rendered ineffective.
I can't even count how many things are wrong with that .gif. I'll try to take it easy and name a few.
Our country is far from 'freedom'. Our country is led not by Obama. Oh no, he's just a pointless figurehead that we beat up on for what is wrong. Our country is run by the rich buisnesses who have any real power over deciding what the populace like and dont like. We have the illusion of freedom because these buisness are keeping us happy little zombies dependant on their grubby little umbilical cords.
If we lacked those buisness, and really did become a Socialist country, our infrastructure would collapse. On the other end of the spectrum, if we decided to just become an Aristocracy, which is pretty damn well what our country is becoming, we would be less free than we already are.
We whine and moan about Obama's strategies because we don't know how much they really benefit us. He is trying to give the companies less power, while still working towards keeping us stable and maybe even making us a Democratic Republic again.
Freedom is an impossible goal that people needlessly bicker over achieving.
I couldn't agree more!
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"Only a few find the way, Some don't recognize it when they do. Some don't ever want to..." ~Cheshire cat.
"No more spending" - WE WANT THINGS FOR FREE LOLOLOLOLOL
"You're a threat to our economy" - No. Just no.
"You're a threat to our health care" - By giving EVERYONE health care? You obviously don't understand how it works.
The best benefit Obama has had is now people finally realize what the Democratic party is about and they're running. In his two years in office 25% of the people who voted and supported Obama no longer do. If the American people wanted the stuff he was dishing out, he would be doing great, he's not.
This whole "The stupid public doesn't know that he knows what's good for them" is what's wrong with the Democrats in the USA. That's not to say there aren't stupid people. But the idea that somehow the government is vastly wiser about spending money than the public, and thus should handle insurance, business, and raising our kids, is ridiculous.
The rule of thumb is pretty basic that if you want to discourage something, you tax it. And all we've seen so far is that the Obama administration simply wants to do the stereotypical tax and spend Dems have tried to get away from being known for
When people in government refer to lowing taxes as "Costing the government its money" there's a problem. It's not costing the government money to lower taxes, it's costing everyone money to raise them. I just hope this was simply the Carter of our day so that it'll get people to realize that this is not what the American people want, self destructive energy policies and government control.
And all we've seen so far is that the Obama administration simply wants to do the stereotypical tax and spend Dems have tried to get away from being known for.
You mean the Republicans are known for Tax and Spend. Well, actually, they're known for just spend, spend, spend without any plans to pay for it, but whatever. The point is that it's not a Democrat thing.
Who cares about anything? Honestly, were all on the same floating rock as you. Wasting time on hate and indifference is irrational. why dont yall just start a new map and shut up already. :sleep.gif:
"Dont look where you fall, look where you slip"
-African Proverb, thanks Mashfiq
Im just laughing hard at this. You do realise that in many states atheists cant run for public office? You do realise that to be a major party, with sufficient advertising you need financial backing? You do realise People get this from corporations? You do realize that in return for this financial backing, the politicians will vote a certain way for the company, after all if the company funding you legally dumps toxic waste, and needs to to maintain its absurdly large profit margins, and you make a bill get passed that bans dumping of toxic waste, but rather needs to be sealed in a much more expensive process which is much safer for the environment, that the company will no longer back you?
You do realise the only reason we are out of the dark ages, and into the age of consumerism is because of the merchants greed making them want more money, more power.
Enough of that. The people who blindly follow such party's are not reasonable. If you cannot make your own mind and need other peoples opinion to run your life, how are you any less of a sheep?
I swear America has the largest concentration of the stupidest people in the world..
Wtg Technocratic Society on its own landmass.... Tasmania isnt in use is it? Just some hillbillies? Right right Hobart... well how about just the west coast? Just hillbillies? Ok then. If that fails lets colonize the ant-arctic until we can sustain ourselves on mars.. which in a technocratic society wouldn't be that far off.
NO RELIGION!! MY WISHES HAVE BEEN GRANTED BY THE ALMIGHTY SHENRON!!!
We cannot reason with them. They are unreasonable.
"A reasonable man adapts to his world
An unreasonable man adapts the world to him"
They will hinder us... sigh.
Communism:–noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2.
( often initial capital letter ) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
3.
( initial capital letter ) the principles and practices of the Communist party.
The exact definition of communism varies and it is commonly used interchangeably with socialism, however, communist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to communism.
Socialism:
–noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.
procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.
(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
Marxism:
–noun
the system of economic and political thought developed by Karl Marx, along with Friedrich Engels, esp. the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class, that class struggle has been the main agency of historical change, and that the capitalist system, containing from the first the seeds of its own decay, will inevitably, after the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, be superseded by a socialist order and a classless society.
We need to find a way to stop this misinformation should we want to stop this stupidity.
I listed the defintions of dictionary.com since some people do NOT know what socialism and comunism is
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"You talk to God, you’re religious. God talks to you — you’re psychotic."
I was dumbfounded back in 2008 to see so many people swept up by Obama and his promise for change. Now flash forward to today and well, I'm dumbfounded at people, even though its a smaller group, who support Palin. I see them both to be very similar despite their different political stances. They can sweep people up with words (Palin to a lesser extent).
Are we in a socialist state? Nope, hardly. It feels pretty much the same as it ever has. The whole world's economy is still in a hole so I'll wait a while before I pass complete judgment on Obama... Palin on the other hand... in 2012, I swear I might move to Canada or something if she gets the presidency. She must be kept out because... she's an American radical.
FYI, when I vote, I try to make things balanced. Going too far left and too far right is a bad bad thing. Hence... my opposition to Palin. :U
To quantify how much wasted money that was, you could buy enough gold to make more sherman tanks out of solid gold than were used in ww2 I believe my calculations were about 20k+ solid gold tanks by volume. It was estimated it would cost about 500billion to form a hydrogen car infrastructure nationwide. Retrofitting ALL the coal powerplants in the USA to IGCC 'clean coal' could have been done 3 times over with that amount of money. You could buy enough CAT5 cable to reach the moon I think... 15 times? You could buy everyone on earth a nice bike. You could buy a round of beer for everyone on the entire planet over 100 times. Everyone in the city of St louis and surrounding area could have at least TWO Porche 911's a few people get 3 or for an easier quantification every single person in the state of Missouri gets at least one and a lucky 2million others get 2 ...
So it was a ton of money right? You'd think it would be tracked well... it wasn't. It was squandered massively, much of the funds can't even be accounted for now.
Then the healthcare thing... criminalizing not buying insurance... thanks. At least it didn't go as far as he wanted. But "no public option" isn't much consolation to the fact that due to this law insurance rates have already increased by 2% just from the "keep people on insurance til 26" and things like that.
Oh but I guess there are how many states filing suit against the federal government for you know, violating the constitution... 20 I think is the current count.
His failed attempt to close git-mo resulted in all the states saying "not in my backyard"
Perhaps there's a reason... why we had a military prison in shark infested waters where the only two options are "get eaten by sharks, shot to death, or worse... escape into Cuba."
Then the most destructive thing he wants...
Then his energy policy generally consists of purely taxing carbon as though that'll make the entire world a fairy land where wind and solar are somehow manufactured with free energy? Do people not realize that factories run on electricity which is made over half the energy by COAL -> carbon. Tax carbon and the price of everything increases. That includes solar panels and wind turbines. If it isn't grown it's mined, and all things mined need energy to refine, process, and manufacture.
It's been estimated that after a short time in a cap and trade "carbon tax" punishment system, it would cost the nation 3 trillion dollars and result in rolling blackouts. This is plainly due to that no matter how fast you make wind turbines and solar plants, there's no way they can keep up with the demand. Wind and solar are not energy sources like they're often portrayed, they're supplemental energy. They relieve pressure, but there's no way they can provide constant reliable power in any reasonable quantity. Decades of economic progress would be lost in merely years from a cap and trade system.
And if you want to talk about "your generation has screwed over my generation"
Look at social security.
A majority voted themselves free money at one point because more of them could pay less for their elderly to retire.
Decades later the majority get free money off the minority who now has to pay several times more.
Basically meaning they're getting a several-fold return on how much they paid in compared to the pittance you will get in comparison to what you pay now.
FYI also,
no the teaparty isn't alone on hating Obama
The most recent Gallup poll shows Obama's approval at 43% approve 48% disapprove.
Democrats stand to lose many seats in the senate this November as well,
that is unless you watch MSNBC who's still keepin the faith....
The difference between a STRIP mine and a SURFACE mine
Because certainly that means it did nothing.
I must say that I'm of the opinion that the healthcare bill didn't go far enough. It's kind of been butchered and bastardized, but we'll see if it's been rendered ineffective.
I couldn't agree more!
"You're a threat to our economy" - No. Just no.
"You're a threat to our health care" - By giving EVERYONE health care? You obviously don't understand how it works.
This is ridiculous. People are too impatient.
This whole "The stupid public doesn't know that he knows what's good for them" is what's wrong with the Democrats in the USA. That's not to say there aren't stupid people. But the idea that somehow the government is vastly wiser about spending money than the public, and thus should handle insurance, business, and raising our kids, is ridiculous.
The rule of thumb is pretty basic that if you want to discourage something, you tax it. And all we've seen so far is that the Obama administration simply wants to do the stereotypical tax and spend Dems have tried to get away from being known for
When people in government refer to lowing taxes as "Costing the government its money" there's a problem. It's not costing the government money to lower taxes, it's costing everyone money to raise them. I just hope this was simply the Carter of our day so that it'll get people to realize that this is not what the American people want, self destructive energy policies and government control.
The difference between a STRIP mine and a SURFACE mine
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I want him and his socalist/marxist ways OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
I was the second person to use the avatar I have. The rest took it from me. The first I asked, he said yes.
I know what I'm doing. I plan ahead, or get tired and screw up everything.
You don't know a single thing about politics, do you?
Yeah. Everyone works for Everyone.
Socialism: Working for the good of the community
Communism: Working for the good of the state
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You mean the Republicans are known for Tax and Spend. Well, actually, they're known for just spend, spend, spend without any plans to pay for it, but whatever. The point is that it's not a Democrat thing.
You've got them mixed up, just to let you know.
Who cares about anything? Honestly, were all on the same floating rock as you. Wasting time on hate and indifference is irrational. why dont yall just start a new map and shut up already. :sleep.gif:
Both statements he made are wrong, not just mixed up.
That's what I said before. It definitely does seem to be that the global economy is rigged to blow.
I blame religion.
Not necessarily wrong, just extremely generalized.
-African Proverb, thanks Mashfiq
Im just laughing hard at this. You do realise that in many states atheists cant run for public office? You do realise that to be a major party, with sufficient advertising you need financial backing? You do realise People get this from corporations? You do realize that in return for this financial backing, the politicians will vote a certain way for the company, after all if the company funding you legally dumps toxic waste, and needs to to maintain its absurdly large profit margins, and you make a bill get passed that bans dumping of toxic waste, but rather needs to be sealed in a much more expensive process which is much safer for the environment, that the company will no longer back you?
You do realise the only reason we are out of the dark ages, and into the age of consumerism is because of the merchants greed making them want more money, more power.
Enough of that. The people who blindly follow such party's are not reasonable. If you cannot make your own mind and need other peoples opinion to run your life, how are you any less of a sheep?
I swear America has the largest concentration of the stupidest people in the world..
Wtg Technocratic Society on its own landmass.... Tasmania isnt in use is it? Just some hillbillies? Right right Hobart... well how about just the west coast? Just hillbillies? Ok then. If that fails lets colonize the ant-arctic until we can sustain ourselves on mars.. which in a technocratic society wouldn't be that far off.
NO RELIGION!! MY WISHES HAVE BEEN GRANTED BY THE ALMIGHTY SHENRON!!!
We cannot reason with them. They are unreasonable.
"A reasonable man adapts to his world
An unreasonable man adapts the world to him"
They will hinder us... sigh.
Communism:–noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2.
( often initial capital letter ) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
3.
( initial capital letter ) the principles and practices of the Communist party.
The exact definition of communism varies and it is commonly used interchangeably with socialism, however, communist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to communism.
Socialism:
–noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.
procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.
(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
Marxism:
–noun
the system of economic and political thought developed by Karl Marx, along with Friedrich Engels, esp. the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class, that class struggle has been the main agency of historical change, and that the capitalist system, containing from the first the seeds of its own decay, will inevitably, after the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, be superseded by a socialist order and a classless society.
We need to find a way to stop this misinformation should we want to stop this stupidity.
I listed the defintions of dictionary.com since some people do NOT know what socialism and comunism is
Are we in a socialist state? Nope, hardly. It feels pretty much the same as it ever has. The whole world's economy is still in a hole so I'll wait a while before I pass complete judgment on Obama... Palin on the other hand... in 2012, I swear I might move to Canada or something if she gets the presidency. She must be kept out because... she's an American radical.
FYI, when I vote, I try to make things balanced. Going too far left and too far right is a bad bad thing. Hence... my opposition to Palin. :U
See? I'm not so malicious...