There was no threat of any violence, there was only pointing out the lunacy of your own rationalization. Keep going with your "tough guy" internet persona, as you call it, if it helps you sleep at night. Pot, may I introduce you to kettle.
Another thing about some of these games, is they include data for multiple languages, and the end user is only going to need to use one of them. Pirate groups often do repacks of games that are considerably smaller in side than the original full versions, and all they cut out were the extra languages that most people don't care about. Depending on the type of game, it might be possible to cut its size in 1/2 or more with a repack. For people with bandwidth limits, this is ideal. When you look at it from the perspective of having 8-10 games installed on your PC, getting repacks with the languages you don't care about cut out will save you a lot of space, and bandwidth. Why does piracy have to be that much more convenient than paying for the game?
There was no threat of any violence, there was only pointing out the lunacy of your own rationalization. Keep going with your "tough guy" internet persona, as you call it, if it helps you sleep at night. Pot, may I introduce you to kettle.
My position is perfectly rational. If the likelihood of being caught is extremely unlikely to non-existent, and the consequences for being caught are what I'd consider a slap on the wrist, then why should I care when there is far more for me to personally gain by disobeying the law?
Monitoring from the air isn't within the budget for every police force in the country. Jethro & Co. at Podunk Co. Police dept can't afford that technology. The radar guns they're using are probably from 1995. Even their cruisers are outdated. Most police forces in the area with a budget have moved up to newer model Dodge Chargers, which are superior in every way to crown vics. The State Cops have the capability, but they got their aircraft over far more prime real estate. You and I both know its not about safety, but collecting money for the state or local government. They're looking for infractions per hour with those aircraft.
As far as being caught and getting in any trouble over piracy, the risk is absolute, stone cold, 0%. Unless ISPs magically come up with a way to track people using VPN tunnels, I'm at zero risk. Besides, they have a warning system anyway, and you get 3 warnings, and I haven't received one.
My thought process might be flawed in some areas, but in the ability to realistically access risk, its pretty much spot on.
Piracy - I make an exact copy of your car, and you are also no longer allowed to sell your car.
Whoa, pirating a copy of something causes the creator to no longer be able to sell any copies of it to anyone? When did this happen and why wasn't I notified?
Let's break this down and put some numbers into theoretical play. You, the dear reader, decided you wanted to follow your dreams and make a game, or a movie, or anything else you might have had some lofty aspirations of creating and hoped to make a decent living at. So you quit your silly job at Generic Inc. and pooled as much money as you could and possibly borrowed some from your aunt Tilly. Or maybe you had a recent death in the family and came across a hefty inheritance. Regaurdless, you use that money to fund a project built on your blood, sweat, tears, and maybe some of your creative genius. Ta da, you made Widget, the game, or maybe Widget, the movie, or Widget, the easily copied, but hard to create thingamabob. You, dear reader, decide one measly dollar is a fair amount to ask for; for your hopefully soon to be popular Widget. Not alot of room in the profit margin, but your sharing your passion with the world!
Well if we use the polls - 43% of folks think it's fine to copy your Widget and play with it in their living room. We'll throw the "Kind of" and "Educational" voters in there too. we'll divide the "Sometimes" folks in half, since they claim to sometimes do and sometimes don't. So round that out to a nice 62%. Well this thread has been viewed 466 times, and we'll generously assume they all voted and wanted a Widget. From the money, time, and effort you invested into developing, building, and trying to convince the world that Widget is the coolest thing ever, only 177 people paid for one. And at a buck a piece that's $177. Nothing to sneeze at. But here's the theoretical kick in the balls. 289 people copied your Widget and now play with it. Sure some folks might have hated it and justified their actions as " Thank God I didn't pay for this Widget, it sucks so bad.", there are still more than half of potential sales gone. Sales you, avid reader, could have used to pay rent, take your main squeeze to the park and buy him/her an ice cream, and even possibly used to begin working on building Widget 2.0 for those folks out there that offered so many good ideas and advice on how to improve on the first one that they enjoyed so much.
This really hits home when we complain about the heartless Halo 28 and CoD Part 42:LazorWarfare or gritty retread movie RoboCop 5 and Star Wars Prequels 9 through 25, return of JarJar Binks - companies are more and more inclined to go with safe bets. Game development times are stretching into nearly 7+ years for more and more titles. Movies are blowing through multi- million dollar budgets just to make the explosions bigger and the boobs more life-like. The people making Widgets want to know that they'll at least make enough money to cover the years of back pay and rent from all that time making Widgets a reality.
Meanwhile, Emergent Industries bets the bank and only sees 38% of a prospective market. Well they came, they tried, and didn't see any return. So we get Gears of War 37 and Transformers Reboot #9, Wrath of OPEC the only "safe bet" that actually makes enough money with only 38% of the consumers paying to consume it, to pay the employees and still satisfy the shareholders with what is left over.
I purchased a copy of Minecraft back when it was only a few blocks and a mission statement. Even if it would have ended up going bust, I would not regret my initial investment in a small time guy who quit his boring job to chase his dreams. My money was a small vote towards what I wanted to see developed game wise and I consider most of all my other purchases to be the same - trackable and quantifiable votes.
That is why I don't agree with piracy. Not entirely meant to be preachy, but the numbers got me thinking.
Whoa, pirating a copy of something causes the creator to no longer be able to sell any copies of it to anyone? When did this happen and why wasn't I notified?
Sorry I was under the impression that analogies weren't literal.
Personally I think it's probably convenient for people who don't have the money, but if your going to enjoy a game why not give back to the developer that made the game and actually pay for it.
Personally I think it's probably convenient for people who don't have the money, but if your going to enjoy a game why not give back to the developer that made the game and actually pay for it.
*This is for games only*
Why games only? Why not software, music and any other digital products? Their industry also involve developers, artist and publishers that work for a monthly wage as well.
Many music producers put their music on youtube and you can already listen to the music for free that way.
That still does not justify pirating music. Yes, you can listen to their content for free via Youtube and Spotify due to ad revenue. But those are streaming services and are legal. Pirating in this case is choosing to download their songs from unlicensed mediums.
Why games only? Why not software, music and any other digital products? Their industry also involve developers, artist and publishers that work for a monthly wage as well.
I don't have much interesting in paying a publishers salary.
I don't have much interesting in paying a publishers salary.
Publishers have the right to set the prices on products they own the rights to. You as a consumer have the right to not pay for products which you feel are unjustly inflated. Consumers are still not entitled to something they deemed as being too expensive.
So.. Yeah, I do. Cause not only am I broke, but when I'm not broke, I'm cheap. And I need to catch up on Spider-Man comics. And maybe some older comics. I also don't want to pay an extra $10 for games nowadays (Dunno about you all but where I live most new games are $60, I assume they are cheaper in the usa cause Canadian money is going a bit downhill), cause games are $65-$70 now.. But usually if I really like a game, I'll buy it.
That's how I got Borderlands (1), and have bought every game in the series since cause I love 'em. And I try to pay for physical copies of comics when I can find them, cause I've got a wall full of comics and it's great.
AND it was through piracy that I first played Minecraft and ended up buying the game. ^^
(Speaking of comics, anyone here reading Spider-Verse atm?)
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I also don't want to pay an extra $10 for games nowadays
The argument that "Games are more expensive now" is not really supported by reality. In Canada, for example, Super Mario Brothers 3 sold for $49.95 at release. Thing is, in 1990, $49.95 had the same purchasing power as $90.25 does today.
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-discussion/survival-mode/2372609-journal-the-ballad-of-dirtdog
My position is perfectly rational. If the likelihood of being caught is extremely unlikely to non-existent, and the consequences for being caught are what I'd consider a slap on the wrist, then why should I care when there is far more for me to personally gain by disobeying the law?
Monitoring from the air isn't within the budget for every police force in the country. Jethro & Co. at Podunk Co. Police dept can't afford that technology. The radar guns they're using are probably from 1995. Even their cruisers are outdated. Most police forces in the area with a budget have moved up to newer model Dodge Chargers, which are superior in every way to crown vics. The State Cops have the capability, but they got their aircraft over far more prime real estate. You and I both know its not about safety, but collecting money for the state or local government. They're looking for infractions per hour with those aircraft.
As far as being caught and getting in any trouble over piracy, the risk is absolute, stone cold, 0%. Unless ISPs magically come up with a way to track people using VPN tunnels, I'm at zero risk. Besides, they have a warning system anyway, and you get 3 warnings, and I haven't received one.
My thought process might be flawed in some areas, but in the ability to realistically access risk, its pretty much spot on.
I'm ashamed to be human.
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Piracy - I make an exact copy of your car, and you are also no longer allowed to sell your car.
Whoa, pirating a copy of something causes the creator to no longer be able to sell any copies of it to anyone? When did this happen and why wasn't I notified?
You sure? Cause I never heard of internet pirates. :/
Scariest Moment in Horror Movie History
Dad
"If you don't watch supernatural, you are not human." - Dean Winchester
Well if we use the polls - 43% of folks think it's fine to copy your Widget and play with it in their living room. We'll throw the "Kind of" and "Educational" voters in there too. we'll divide the "Sometimes" folks in half, since they claim to sometimes do and sometimes don't. So round that out to a nice 62%. Well this thread has been viewed 466 times, and we'll generously assume they all voted and wanted a Widget. From the money, time, and effort you invested into developing, building, and trying to convince the world that Widget is the coolest thing ever, only 177 people paid for one. And at a buck a piece that's $177. Nothing to sneeze at. But here's the theoretical kick in the balls. 289 people copied your Widget and now play with it. Sure some folks might have hated it and justified their actions as " Thank God I didn't pay for this Widget, it sucks so bad.", there are still more than half of potential sales gone. Sales you, avid reader, could have used to pay rent, take your main squeeze to the park and buy him/her an ice cream, and even possibly used to begin working on building Widget 2.0 for those folks out there that offered so many good ideas and advice on how to improve on the first one that they enjoyed so much.
This really hits home when we complain about the heartless Halo 28 and CoD Part 42:LazorWarfare or gritty retread movie RoboCop 5 and Star Wars Prequels 9 through 25, return of JarJar Binks - companies are more and more inclined to go with safe bets. Game development times are stretching into nearly 7+ years for more and more titles. Movies are blowing through multi- million dollar budgets just to make the explosions bigger and the boobs more life-like. The people making Widgets want to know that they'll at least make enough money to cover the years of back pay and rent from all that time making Widgets a reality.
Meanwhile, Emergent Industries bets the bank and only sees 38% of a prospective market. Well they came, they tried, and didn't see any return. So we get Gears of War 37 and Transformers Reboot #9, Wrath of OPEC the only "safe bet" that actually makes enough money with only 38% of the consumers paying to consume it, to pay the employees and still satisfy the shareholders with what is left over.
I purchased a copy of Minecraft back when it was only a few blocks and a mission statement. Even if it would have ended up going bust, I would not regret my initial investment in a small time guy who quit his boring job to chase his dreams. My money was a small vote towards what I wanted to see developed game wise and I consider most of all my other purchases to be the same - trackable and quantifiable votes.
That is why I don't agree with piracy. Not entirely meant to be preachy, but the numbers got me thinking.
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-discussion/survival-mode/2372609-journal-the-ballad-of-dirtdog
Sorry I was under the impression that analogies weren't literal.
*This is for games only*
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Why games only? Why not software, music and any other digital products? Their industry also involve developers, artist and publishers that work for a monthly wage as well.
That still does not justify pirating music. Yes, you can listen to their content for free via Youtube and Spotify due to ad revenue. But those are streaming services and are legal. Pirating in this case is choosing to download their songs from unlicensed mediums.
Sorry I was under the impression that analogies were supposed to highlight actual parallels between two ideas.
I don't know where you got the idea that analogies weren't literal, because that's obviously the point I was making before. Yeah.
I don't have much interesting in paying a publishers salary.
yeah, screw them for providing a distribution network and marketing that allows games to be seen and bought, bastards!
And also hyperinflating ebook prices to the point that any benefit they might contain is lost.
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Publishers have the right to set the prices on products they own the rights to. You as a consumer have the right to not pay for products which you feel are unjustly inflated. Consumers are still not entitled to something they deemed as being too expensive.
That's how I got Borderlands (1), and have bought every game in the series since cause I love 'em. And I try to pay for physical copies of comics when I can find them, cause I've got a wall full of comics and it's great.
AND it was through piracy that I first played Minecraft and ended up buying the game. ^^
(Speaking of comics, anyone here reading Spider-Verse atm?)
The argument that "Games are more expensive now" is not really supported by reality. In Canada, for example, Super Mario Brothers 3 sold for $49.95 at release. Thing is, in 1990, $49.95 had the same purchasing power as $90.25 does today.