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Quote from benw999

well for one, i think i am entitled to my own opinion.
and two, yes the main story line is short, but there are so many different little side quests, or the guild quests that have kept me occupied with the game for ages. and i dont see how you think the story is uneventful OR anti-climatic...

Uneventful= no big twists or character developments, it's just dragon genocide from start to finish.
Anti-climatic= the main quest's climax involves walking through fog and a fight with the dragon king that's actually easier than any other dragon in the game.

The guild quests are a bit better, bit they all seem to follow the same basic formula. You join the guild, do a couple of quests, superior members think you're special, rumours of a conspiracy start, you join the guilds elite, big bad thing happens that kills someone important, you kill a big bad guy that caused it, everyone loves you and makes you the guild leader, you do household chores for your inferiors.

Quote from Homem Pigman

Heh... Reddit can be quite fun and very creative at times. Look what I found.

Why does it say the developers of FO3? Why not New Vegas?



EDIT: I just realized how stupid that question is :P.

Anyways, yeah, Reddit's awesome and sexy and fun and all that good stuff.

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Why does it say the developers of FO3? Why not New Vegas?

I was actually wondering why it said Fallout 3, as Fallout 3 was released in 2008, while Oblivion was released in 2006. It would make much more sense to put Morrowind on there.

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Uneventful= no big twists or character developments, it's just dragon genocide from start to finish.
Anti-climatic= the main quest's climax involves walking through fog and a fight with the dragon king that's actually easier than any other dragon in the game.

The guild quests are a bit better, bit they all seem to follow the same basic formula. You join the guild, do a couple of quests, superior members think you're special, rumours of a conspiracy start, you join the guilds elite, big bad thing happens that kills someone important, you kill a big bad guy that caused it, everyone loves you and makes you the guild leader, you do household chores for your inferiors.

I like dragon genocide XD and you did just describe all the guilds quest lines, but then really, NEARLLY everything can be described and broken down in a simple way like that. I guess it is just a matter of opinion. How about we drop it, because i dont want to start a fight with you guys

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I was actually wondering why it said Fallout 3, as Fallout 3 was released in 2008, while Oblivion was released in 2006. It would make much more sense to put Morrowind on there.

I am more outraged by the spelling of Nicolas Cage's name.

Quote from benw999

I like dragon genocide XD and you did just describe all the guilds quest lines, but then really, NEARLLY everything can be described and broken down in a simple way like that. I guess it is just a matter of opinion. How about we drop it, because i dont want to start a fight with you guys

Eh, nobody is starting a fight. If anything, a discussion could be rational and calm, seeing the pros and cons of the game objectively. That's the point of an internet forum about video games.

So since we are on that topic, I'll give a short rundown of my opinion: I thought the main quest was lacking. While fun enough from a more casual perspective, when it comes to its design you'll see it was poorly executed, even with a good starting concept. Even with a rich backstory and lore to take from, it just ends up the same old hero saves the world from dragons; where's the substance? The Thieves Guild questline, even with flaws, was a vast improvement over the lifeless story of the MQ. And finally, doing it has no impact whatsoever on the plot. There is also no satisfying conclusion, no real event.

To me at least, the main plot has never been the best part of the Elder Scrolls games. In Morrowind I prefered reading Dwemer stuff and doing Hlaalu work to hunting Dagoths. In Oblivion I prefered stealing stuff for the Gray Fox than hunting down the Mythic Dawn. As such, I don't require, or want, the main questline to be better than others in order to fully enjoy a game. But I find Skyrim's main plot simply disappointing even to what it had to be. It tires me to cricticize, even if it's a good thing, so with that I close my speech.


On a more friendly matter... I lost everything I had done in Oblivion when my computer wiped, so I'm going to play Morrowind for a while. Any fun character builds?

I'm now doing the Telvanni quests in Morrowind. Just imagine how traumatizing it was for my Argonian to have to end the slave rebellion...

4chan on Alduin

In light of the large amount of number of Elder Scrolls Online topics we've been having, I'd just like to remind to keep it centralized here, instead of littering the forum with repeated threads. Thank you

Quote from Jaques22

I mean come on, you can't say that you're not looking forward to TES Online? It'll make gaming history if it's pulled off well and bug free .

What, yet another decent franchise turned into a shameless WoW clone? No thanks.

I made the mistake of playing Oblivion AFTER Skyrim... it's hard to get into it now, despite my love for older games.

Quote from Jaques22

I mean come on, you can't say that you're not looking forward to TES Online? It'll make gaming history if it's pulled off well and bug free .

To be honest? No. I was just getting used to the terrible story and the retcons and the poor decisions. I'm not going to explain tidbit by tidbit since it would be too lenghty, but it's all just a cop out or poor gameplay implementation. There is one thing I'll point out, however. It's always cool when gameplay merges seamlessly with lore. There's some really cool examples of this in the Elder Scrolls series, like many of the Daedric Quests. Of course there are some poor ones, but none I can think of this gross implementation of Elder Scrolls in TESO:

Elder Scrolls are artifacts of immense power that aid an alliance in the ongoing battle to control Tamriel by conferring bonuses to every member of that alliance. Each alliance has a special stronghold in Cyrodiil where their Elder Scrolls are kept and protected – but enemy alliances can break in and take them if they are not guarded properly. Once access is gained and a Scroll taken, it must be taken back across Cyrodiil and placed in the alliance’s stronghold. Only then are the bonuses of the Scroll bestowed upon all the members of that alliance.

That's right. Elder Scrolls are no longer mystical artifacts that tell the very fabric of creation, no, now they take their true purpose: a flag that when captured gives you +5% crit chance.

Now that we know the gameplay details, I believe we can have a view of how it plays out. In business terms, I see it becoming like SW:TOR more than WoW. Why? Because it is not going to be an MMORPG in the traditional sense of a single unified massive world. They are making all the same mistakes SW:TOR did, from the sounds of it. Things like global object manipulation, GW2 combo system, full voice acting, faction population or self-defined classes that discourage group work are bad design ideas, objectively speaking of course.

At the end of the day I don't see this bringing any innovation to the massive-multiplayer-online genre, and right now we have plenty of information to make that estimate. It is a similar case to Guild Wars 2 and The Old Republic, both of which had even more hype about how they were going to "revolutionize MMOs", but never did. Did they bring some changes? Yes, especially the former. But in contribution to video game design, it was a peeble compared to games like World of Warcraft or EVE Online.