so it apperes that quite a few people are debating weather or not Paladins: champions of the realm is just a ripoff of Overwatch, and just to summarize it, It's. Downright. Irrelevant.
now just to clarify, Overwatch needs no introduction, but Paladins is a Fantasy themed FPS (yes, those can exist(apparently)) that hit open beta just a few weeks ago. it was developed by high-rez studios (the people who made SMITE: battleground of the gods) and has quite a few similarities to overwatch in characters and mechanics. so let's break down what theses things are that make it a "clone" of overwatch.
Drogoz the greedy and Phara: two jet packing rocketeers
Evie the winter witch and Mei: ice based female charecters who can freeze themselves.
Makoa the ancient and roadhog: tanks who can pull enemies in for large burst damage
Androxus the God slayer and Mcree: pistol weilders who can "fan the hammer" for burst damage
Cassie the hunter's daughter and Hanzo: two archers, that's legitimately it
Fernando the self-appointed knight and reinghert(appoligies for butchering that): two knights with large rectangular shields and charge attacks
Barik the ruins radar and torbjorn: two dwarves mechanics who can place turrets.
and ruckus, the worst of friends (and bolt) and d.va: two users of mechs with miniguns (which are standard mech weapons I may add)
and that about sums it up, so seems like a lot right? well, anyone who's played or atleast seen abit of both games could tell you that these characters play very differently
Drogoz car preload his entire clip for burst damage, can lob a flaming loogie to either A. increase his rocket's damage at a single target or B.shoot it with a rocket for a large AOE burst of damage, and as for an Ult rather than shoot about 200 rockets in 4 seconds he unleashes the dragons fury (oh yeah, did I mention he's a dragon?) for charge that can 1 shot any character
has a mechanical staff that shoots show moving, high damage projectiles, replaces the ability to do an AOE freezing effect for a blink to close gaps or increase them, along with boosting her damage by 40%, and the ability to ride her staff for insane flanking abilities, as for ults, Evie also has an AOE freezing attack but rather than freeze foes solid, it cripples them, preventing movement abilities
Makoa is a spiritually enlightened seaturtle (don't ask) who weilds a short ranges cannon rather than a shot gun, he also has an anchor he can use to pull in and "mark" targets to increase there damage taken from his cannon by 70% (translation, can't be 1 shot from full health) he also replaces self healing with a dome shield which he can't attack while deploying, and a shell spin, to either approach when the hook is on cooldown, or to make a quick escape
Androxes to Mcree and Cassie to Hanzo don't need explaining, they just use the same weapon
Fernando can shield his teammates similar to reinghert, he also switches out a hammer for a flame thrower lance which can shoot fireballs, and his charge is only good for getting to the front line, and for an ult he just make him and nearby team mates impossible to kill
Barik can place two non-upgradable turrets which "mark" there targets and increase his Blunderbuss's damage against them, can also dash with rocket boots, and place a shield, ult spawns a bubble shield with a flamethrower turret inside
Ruckus(and bolt) can shoot miniguns, but bolt (the mech) doesn't act like a 1 up, can create a self shield to block damage and when in range of the objective can shield allies for 25% less damage, can charge up to twice before recharging, ult brings out another pair of miniguns and a pair of rocket launchers because overkill.
And keep in mind that's just the characters, game play wise, you spawn with a horse to get to the objective MUCH faster, there's a card system to tweak characters abilities to your play style, and in rounds there's a skill purchasing system similar to MOBA's that reward you for playing good.
so no, Paladins is NOT an overwatch clone, and yes, all this debate is pointless, but if you want to try it, it's avalible for free on steam.
so it apperes that quite a few people are debating weather or not Paladins: champions of the realm is just a ripoff of Overwatch, and just to summarize it, It's. Downright. Errelevent.
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That's okay, they both rip off Team Fortress.
The line is cast, let's see if the fish are biting...
Well, to my knowledge there hasn't been any Overwatch V. Paladins discussion on this forums, but wuddeva'.
That's okay, they both rip off Team Fortress.
The line is cast, let's see if the fish are biting...
1. I didn't say on the forums 2. i'll cut you line like that unknown creature that snapped my mom's line like a hot knife through butter (no really, there was a swirl and IT was gone)
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Overwatch: Is multiplayer and online. Your googling also calls it an arena shooter.
Your googling also puts COD and Overwatch in the same category (as well as not capitalizing either) which is something that I believe somebody who doesn't know too much about either game would do. It is in first person and you do shoot things, but the same is true for Fallout and a ski-ball simulator.
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Overwatch: Is multiplayer and online. Your googling also calls it an arena shooter.
Your googling also puts COD and Overwatch in the same category (as well as not capitalizing either) which is something that I believe somebody who doesn't know too much about either game would do. It is in first person and you do shoot things, but the same is true for Fallout and a ski-ball simulator.
And by your logic, any mmo for game with online multiplayer is a moba
And by your logic, any mmo for game with online multiplayer is a moba
>Overwatch has Supports, ADC's, and the lot.
>It doesn't even aim down sights.
>It has a set amount of characters/heroes/champions to choose.
>Each champion has multiple abilities they use to help their team
>Each champion has an "Ultimate" which is a very powerful ability that has a long cool down.
>Has competitive ranked game modes separate from casual game modes
I haven't played the game in a little bit, but I can say that anybody who doesn't think that Overwatch is a MOBA or at least draws heavily from or is influenced heavily by MOBA's has obviously never played the game.
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I'm not really into MOBAs (at all), but it's my understanding that the genre is defined by having champion characters defending a "lane" against waves of computer-controlled enemies while the other team does the same, all the while both sides seek to pick off opposing players.
Many other games have this too, which I'll get to in a bit.
Halo and Doom don't have this either, and they're each very famous FPS franchises. Plus Ana and Widowmaker are snipers that can aim with sights.
You berated call of duty earlier, but it and many other FPSs has everything you just listed. You can select custom loadouts that help your team and can play as a specialist that has a special ability ala ultimates that you can use after a short while. IIRC battlefield games have a feature similar to this too, I know BF1 has tanks, medics, etc..
MOBAs aren't the only games with competitive game modes. Heck, even splatoon has this feature, and it's aimed at kids.
Don't make assumptions that I've never played it and that I'm just a fool. You're right that it has just a few similarities to a MOBA, but it's ultimately not a MOBA or heavily inspired by them.
Every other MOBA I've played has ADC's, Supports, ect. It's right out of the MOBA genre, as well as having a set amount of gods. Each of the characters is unique and is played a certain way (You can't play a Mcree like a Widowmaker) which does not occur in many other games.
Halo has aim down sights now, and you could use the scope on weapons such as the DMR. It's just showing that the game isn't the average FPS.
I play MOBA's, m'boy, the character selection system, abilities, and ultimates (this is what they're called in game, and it's a concept direct from MOBA's) are all straight out of a MOBA.
I still say that if you can see that Overwatch is a MOBA or is at least heavily influenced by MOBA's then you've definitely never played a MOBA nor Overwatch. I have friends who are high level ranked players and they'll tell you that this is true.
You've also never said that you actually play the game. I assume that my assumptions were correct.
Every other MOBA I've played has ADC's, Supports, ect. It's right out of the MOBA genre, as well as having a set amount of gods. Each of the characters is unique and is played a certain way (You can't play a Mcree like a Widowmaker) which does not occur in many other games.
Halo has aim down sights now, and you could use the scope on weapons such as the DMR. It's just showing that the game isn't the average FPS.
I play MOBA's, m'boy, the character selection system, abilities, and ultimates (this is what they're called in game, and it's a concept direct from MOBA's) are all straight out of a MOBA.
I still say that if you can see that Overwatch is a MOBA or is at least heavily influenced by MOBA's then you've definitely never played a MOBA nor Overwatch. I have friends who are high level ranked players and they'll tell you that this is true.
You've also never said that you actually play the game. I assume that my assumptions were correct.
You want to know what else has that? Tf2, and is that game a MOBA? No, also, if Overwatch is a MOBA, than why did they add Zariya to hero's of the storm?
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You want to know what else has that? Tf2, and is that game a MOBA? No, also, if Overwatch is a MOBA, than why did they add Zariya to hero's of the storm?
I give up. 1v1 me Overwatch.
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Forget it, you just spouted the same things you did before and only replied to one of my points.
Also claiming that I've never played the game because I never clearly said that I do is just grasping at straws. You never verified that you play MOBAs, but I'm not going to call you a liar and a fraud because I don't make assumptions and won't resort to petty arguments like that.
Provide some evidence that Overwatch is an FPS other than pictures of things you googled. You've only responded to ideas that I;ve posed and offered no new ideas. Half of the stuff out of that game was lifted straight out of a MOBA. It's not a pure MOBA, there's no towers nor minion waves, but that game derives a lot from MOBA's. If you can't see that then I see no reason to argue further.
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From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king
Half of the stuff out of that game was lifted straight out of a MOBA. It's not a pure MOBA, there's no towers nor minion waves, but that game derives a lot from MOBA's. If you can't see that then I see no reason to argue further.
so it apperes that quite a few people are debating weather or not Paladins: champions of the realm is just a ripoff of Overwatch, and just to summarize it, It's. Downright. Irrelevant.
now just to clarify, Overwatch needs no introduction, but Paladins is a Fantasy themed FPS (yes, those can exist(apparently)) that hit open beta just a few weeks ago. it was developed by high-rez studios (the people who made SMITE: battleground of the gods) and has quite a few similarities to overwatch in characters and mechanics. so let's break down what theses things are that make it a "clone" of overwatch.
Drogoz the greedy and Phara: two jet packing rocketeers
Evie the winter witch and Mei: ice based female charecters who can freeze themselves.
Makoa the ancient and roadhog: tanks who can pull enemies in for large burst damage
Androxus the God slayer and Mcree: pistol weilders who can "fan the hammer" for burst damage
Cassie the hunter's daughter and Hanzo: two archers, that's legitimately it
Fernando the self-appointed knight and reinghert(appoligies for butchering that): two knights with large rectangular shields and charge attacks
Barik the ruins radar and torbjorn: two dwarves mechanics who can place turrets.
and ruckus, the worst of friends (and bolt) and d.va: two users of mechs with miniguns (which are standard mech weapons I may add)
and that about sums it up, so seems like a lot right? well, anyone who's played or atleast seen abit of both games could tell you that these characters play very differently
Drogoz car preload his entire clip for burst damage, can lob a flaming loogie to either A. increase his rocket's damage at a single target or B.shoot it with a rocket for a large AOE burst of damage, and as for an Ult rather than shoot about 200 rockets in 4 seconds he unleashes the dragons fury (oh yeah, did I mention he's a dragon?) for charge that can 1 shot any character
has a mechanical staff that shoots show moving, high damage projectiles, replaces the ability to do an AOE freezing effect for a blink to close gaps or increase them, along with boosting her damage by 40%, and the ability to ride her staff for insane flanking abilities, as for ults, Evie also has an AOE freezing attack but rather than freeze foes solid, it cripples them, preventing movement abilities
Makoa is a spiritually enlightened seaturtle (don't ask) who weilds a short ranges cannon rather than a shot gun, he also has an anchor he can use to pull in and "mark" targets to increase there damage taken from his cannon by 70% (translation, can't be 1 shot from full health) he also replaces self healing with a dome shield which he can't attack while deploying, and a shell spin, to either approach when the hook is on cooldown, or to make a quick escape
Androxes to Mcree and Cassie to Hanzo don't need explaining, they just use the same weapon
Fernando can shield his teammates similar to reinghert, he also switches out a hammer for a flame thrower lance which can shoot fireballs, and his charge is only good for getting to the front line, and for an ult he just make him and nearby team mates impossible to kill
Barik can place two non-upgradable turrets which "mark" there targets and increase his Blunderbuss's damage against them, can also dash with rocket boots, and place a shield, ult spawns a bubble shield with a flamethrower turret inside
Ruckus(and bolt) can shoot miniguns, but bolt (the mech) doesn't act like a 1 up, can create a self shield to block damage and when in range of the objective can shield allies for 25% less damage, can charge up to twice before recharging, ult brings out another pair of miniguns and a pair of rocket launchers because overkill.
And keep in mind that's just the characters, game play wise, you spawn with a horse to get to the objective MUCH faster, there's a card system to tweak characters abilities to your play style, and in rounds there's a skill purchasing system similar to MOBA's that reward you for playing good.
so no, Paladins is NOT an overwatch clone, and yes, all this debate is pointless, but if you want to try it, it's avalible for free on steam.
also, overwatch came first, just to clarify, and https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/4jf04o/erez_on_the_paladins_and_overwatch_discussion/
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It's obvious Paladins has taken inspiration from Overwatch, it's obviously got its differences. I personally, love both.
Team Fortress 2 > Overwatch
Lack of air-strafing makes Overwatch casual tier.
Prove me wrong. You can't.
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Well, to my knowledge there hasn't been any Overwatch V. Paladins discussion on this forums, but wuddeva'.
That's okay, they both rip off Team Fortress.
The line is cast, let's see if the fish are biting...
when you say to ignore what you've said but by the time you finish there are already three replies...
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yes, without a doubt inspiration was taken
you win
1. I didn't say on the forums 2. i'll cut you line like that unknown creature that snapped my mom's line like a hot knife through butter (no really, there was a swirl and IT was gone)
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They all rip off Smite. A new take on the MOBA scene? Smite did it first.
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Neither of them are mobas, also, the people who made smite also made Palladians
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Overwatch is a MOBA, or at least MOBA inspired. I've actually never heard about Paladins except for the name.
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I hope for the sake of its fans that they provide Paladins more support than they did Tribes Ascend.
It's a MOBA, or atleast MOBA like. 1v1 me m8
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MOBA: Multiplayer Online Battle Arena
Overwatch: Is multiplayer and online. Your googling also calls it an arena shooter.
Your googling also puts COD and Overwatch in the same category (as well as not capitalizing either) which is something that I believe somebody who doesn't know too much about either game would do. It is in first person and you do shoot things, but the same is true for Fallout and a ski-ball simulator.
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The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost
From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king
And by your logic, any mmo for game with online multiplayer is a moba
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>Overwatch has Supports, ADC's, and the lot.
>It doesn't even aim down sights.
>It has a set amount of characters/heroes/champions to choose.
>Each champion has multiple abilities they use to help their team
>Each champion has an "Ultimate" which is a very powerful ability that has a long cool down.
>Has competitive ranked game modes separate from casual game modes
I haven't played the game in a little bit, but I can say that anybody who doesn't think that Overwatch is a MOBA or at least draws heavily from or is influenced heavily by MOBA's has obviously never played the game.
All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost
The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost
From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king
I'm not really into MOBAs (at all), but it's my understanding that the genre is defined by having champion characters defending a "lane" against waves of computer-controlled enemies while the other team does the same, all the while both sides seek to pick off opposing players.
Every other MOBA I've played has ADC's, Supports, ect. It's right out of the MOBA genre, as well as having a set amount of gods. Each of the characters is unique and is played a certain way (You can't play a Mcree like a Widowmaker) which does not occur in many other games.
Halo has aim down sights now, and you could use the scope on weapons such as the DMR. It's just showing that the game isn't the average FPS.
I play MOBA's, m'boy, the character selection system, abilities, and ultimates (this is what they're called in game, and it's a concept direct from MOBA's) are all straight out of a MOBA.
I still say that if you can see that Overwatch is a MOBA or is at least heavily influenced by MOBA's then you've definitely never played a MOBA nor Overwatch. I have friends who are high level ranked players and they'll tell you that this is true.
You've also never said that you actually play the game. I assume that my assumptions were correct.
All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost
The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost
From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king
You want to know what else has that? Tf2, and is that game a MOBA? No, also, if Overwatch is a MOBA, than why did they add Zariya to hero's of the storm?
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I give up. 1v1 me Overwatch.
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The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost
From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king
Provide some evidence that Overwatch is an FPS other than pictures of things you googled. You've only responded to ideas that I;ve posed and offered no new ideas. Half of the stuff out of that game was lifted straight out of a MOBA. It's not a pure MOBA, there's no towers nor minion waves, but that game derives a lot from MOBA's. If you can't see that then I see no reason to argue further.
All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost
The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost
From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king
TF2 is best MOBA-FPS
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