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Hey everyone, upgrading a pc for (mostly) minecraft purposes. Looking to play it on max with shaders but since this is unmodified wanted to ask what kind of hardware minecraft is hard on.
Is it optimised for multiple cores, or single core performance more important to it?
Will RAM make any difference if I will have 64GB or 8GB, on render distance 128 (vanilla supports it) or more, what hardware is needed the most? That kind of stuff.
I am currently stuck with either 4790k, 6700 or 6700k processor, pricewise they are all similar, and I am getting 970 GTX video card with it. I have SSD already and 8GB RAM with 3GB allocated to minecraft.
CPUBoss tells me 4790k has best single core performance, whereas 6700 will be a better choice overall but slightly less single core performance.
I have a i7-4710HQ Notebook CPU and a GTX 980M Notebook GPU, and it can run Sphax x256, SEUS Ultra, and max Settings with Optifine on 60 FPS. So i guess what you want is overkill. I would go for a i7-4770K, a GTX 1060, and 16GB of RAM. It should run it VERY well.
Single core performance is more important for Minecraft.
So getting a 6600K and OCing that to 4.5GHz or even more would be the best option I think.
Also don't use CPUBoss or GPUBoss but rather this site http://cpubenchmark.net/ (or change the cpu to gpu in the url to get to, well, GPUs).
You have to keep in mind that some CPUs have a faster standart clock speed which will lead to higher results in benchmarks but having similar CPUs at the same clock speed might get rid of the gaps.
3GB allocated RAM is already enough for a lightly modded game. Do you have DDR3 or DDR4 RAM? AFAIK you have to use DDR4 with Intels 6xxx series.
And please don't get a 970. 1060 or better (AMD has unfortunatly had a bad history with OpenGL drivers).
Maybe you can find a used 980Ti for less but I wouldn't bet on it.
I most likely will not be OC as I am relatively new to this.
Judging from same said CPUBoss which as you said is bad, it supports DDR3 although at 1600, whereas I got 1333 IIRC.
Reason I said I will be getting 970 is because I will be getting it for free. But if 1060 or something else will be better, then in long perspective I will be getting that.
@Minecrafter060105, how will RAM benefit the game? With the overkill settings, what is it used for, storing chunks that are currently loaded or is video memory used for that, etc?
Minecraft itself is CPU Intensive, so its RAM-Intensive too. If you use Shaders, you need a good GPU too. Yes, Minecraft stores LOADED Chunks in the RAM, and other Stuff like Mod Variables and Mod-loaded Stuff. It gets saved to the Disk, then the Process starts again.I give Minecraft 12GB, but 6 is overkill if you dont have like 400 Mods like i had once. I had 16GB allocated then
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Well, only hardware intensive mods that I plan to use are shaders with view distance maxed out 32 chunks(or beyond, like 128). Top with texture packs though I couldn't figure out how to get them to work so settled with Default Imroved.
Most likely going for 6700k with 16GB RAM ddr4 at 2133, though with you saying it doesn't need it that much then I dunno if it's necessary. RAM is cheap and 16 or 8 is not that much of a difference.
GPU wise going for 970 in short term and 1060 in long term.
Do you figure that will do the trick with maxed out draw distance and shaders (i know this is unmodified forum so just go for 128 chunks to get rough performance that will be needed)?
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The only thing I am concerned about is the clock speed which will be slightly lower, but the price will be a bit cheaper. Already looked up motherboards that support OC'ing. Is there any point in getting anything more than 8GB DDR4 for Minecraft? It's not much comparing to motherboard and processor but still costs.
Thanks for the advice on the GPU's, I deffinatly will not be buying right now, so waiting seems like a good option.
Processor with RAM coming up next most likely, next update when I get them.
What's your current setup and what was your older GPU? Just for the lols I put my GTX 970 into my old Core 2 Duo PC from 2007, and I went from 20-30 fps to around 40-150.
Also I doubt you'll be able to run 128 chunks lol. I have a heavily overclocked i5 (single core score is about the same as a stock i7-6700K) and a GTX 970, and even after allocating 7gb of ram to MC, I was getting major lag spikes and performance drops. This was at 32 chunks with High Shaders. Personally I think 16 chunks is plenty.
What's your current setup and what was your older GPU? Just for the lols I put my GTX 970 into my old Core 2 Duo PC from 2007, and I went from 20-30 fps to around 40-150.
Also I doubt you'll be able to run 128 chunks lol. I have a heavily overclocked i5 (single core score is about the same as a stock i7-6700K) and a GTX 970, and even after allocating 7gb of ram to MC, I was getting major lag spikes and performance drops. This was at 32 chunks with High Shaders. Personally I think 16 chunks is plenty.
I can test 128 chunks later today when I get home from work. If my CPU can't do it I can't imagine anything much else will be able to haha. Am guessing no, each increase in chunk view distance is an exponential increase in overall chunks, and 128 is an absolutely INSANE amount of chunks. Not even worth it, you can't possibly even see that far.
Anyways, the GPU upgrade but no fps increase is definitely feasable, I chucked a GTX 980 in with a Pentium D 915 once and it made literally zero difference.
Anyways, the GPU upgrade but no fps increase is definitely feasable, I chucked a GTX 980 in with a Pentium D 915 once and it made literally zero difference.
I think it depends on whether the previous GPU was actually pushing the CPU to the limit or not. I know on my C2D PC, the integrated graphics were complete garbage, and the 970 helped a lot. But if I put a GTX 660 or something, it'll probably get the same results.
Alrighty, here's 32 render distance below, however I can't make it go higher than 32. Anyone know how to force it up to 64/128? Not up to date at all with Minecraft anymore, haven't played for a good 3 years.
Still getting 400-600fps with everything on max so should be able to go higher.
Alrighty, here's 32 render distance below, however I can't make it go higher than 32. Anyone know how to force it up to 64/128? Not up to date at all with Minecraft anymore, haven't played for a good 3 years.
Still getting 400-600fps with everything on max so should be able to go higher.
damn that's a lot of allocated ram lol.
When I ran shaders+32 chunks I was lagging quite a bit, but I only had 2gb of ram allocated. I guess I'll try 6gb or something.
Edit: How on earth are you getting 400-600 fps? My CPU is quite a bit slower (i5-2500K OC'd to 4.5GHz), but on 32 Chunks, everything maxed out, I'm getting 100-300 standing still, 60-120 moving, and I even get drops down to 40-50 when flying.
I also tried shaders at the same settings, and was constantly getting 25-30 fps. This is with 6gb of ram allocating, and the game never used over 2-3gb
Hey everyone, upgrading a pc for (mostly) minecraft purposes. Looking to play it on max with shaders but since this is unmodified wanted to ask what kind of hardware minecraft is hard on.
Is it optimised for multiple cores, or single core performance more important to it?
Will RAM make any difference if I will have 64GB or 8GB, on render distance 128 (vanilla supports it) or more, what hardware is needed the most? That kind of stuff.
I am currently stuck with either 4790k, 6700 or 6700k processor, pricewise they are all similar, and I am getting 970 GTX video card with it. I have SSD already and 8GB RAM with 3GB allocated to minecraft.
CPUBoss tells me 4790k has best single core performance, whereas 6700 will be a better choice overall but slightly less single core performance.
Any advice will be much appreciated.
I have a i7-4710HQ Notebook CPU and a GTX 980M Notebook GPU, and it can run Sphax x256, SEUS Ultra, and max Settings with Optifine on 60 FPS. So i guess what you want is overkill. I would go for a i7-4770K, a GTX 1060, and 16GB of RAM. It should run it VERY well.
A overclocked ASUS G751JY... DOES STUFF
Specs:
i7 4710HQ
GTX 980M
24GB DDR3
256GB SSD
1TB HDD
I most likely will not be OC as I am relatively new to this.
Judging from same said CPUBoss which as you said is bad, it supports DDR3 although at 1600, whereas I got 1333 IIRC.
Reason I said I will be getting 970 is because I will be getting it for free. But if 1060 or something else will be better, then in long perspective I will be getting that.
@Minecrafter060105, how will RAM benefit the game? With the overkill settings, what is it used for, storing chunks that are currently loaded or is video memory used for that, etc?
Minecraft itself is CPU Intensive, so its RAM-Intensive too. If you use Shaders, you need a good GPU too. Yes, Minecraft stores LOADED Chunks in the RAM, and other Stuff like Mod Variables and Mod-loaded Stuff. It gets saved to the Disk, then the Process starts again.I give Minecraft 12GB, but 6 is overkill if you dont have like 400 Mods like i had once. I had 16GB allocated then
A overclocked ASUS G751JY... DOES STUFF
Specs:
i7 4710HQ
GTX 980M
24GB DDR3
256GB SSD
1TB HDD
Cheers for the tips, if I go into budget (which looks like I will), then ram upgrade will go along with the CPU and GPU.
so what do you want to go for?
A overclocked ASUS G751JY... DOES STUFF
Specs:
i7 4710HQ
GTX 980M
24GB DDR3
256GB SSD
1TB HDD
Well, only hardware intensive mods that I plan to use are shaders with view distance maxed out 32 chunks(or beyond, like 128). Top with texture packs though I couldn't figure out how to get them to work so settled with Default Imroved.
Most likely going for 6700k with 16GB RAM ddr4 at 2133, though with you saying it doesn't need it that much then I dunno if it's necessary. RAM is cheap and 16 or 8 is not that much of a difference.
GPU wise going for 970 in short term and 1060 in long term.
Do you figure that will do the trick with maxed out draw distance and shaders (i know this is unmodified forum so just go for 128 chunks to get rough performance that will be needed)?
The only thing I am concerned about is the clock speed which will be slightly lower, but the price will be a bit cheaper. Already looked up motherboards that support OC'ing. Is there any point in getting anything more than 8GB DDR4 for Minecraft? It's not much comparing to motherboard and processor but still costs.
Thanks for the advice on the GPU's, I deffinatly will not be buying right now, so waiting seems like a good option.
128 chunks = 128 view distance. Here is how: http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1272953-optifine-hd-d1-fps-boost-dynamic-lights-shaders?page=2457#c51098
(I will ask later when I get all the hardware on how to increase it in optifine but in other thread)
A bit of update on my situation.
Just got 970, 0, absolutely 0 fps increased.
Processor with RAM coming up next most likely, next update when I get them.
What's your current setup and what was your older GPU? Just for the lols I put my GTX 970 into my old Core 2 Duo PC from 2007, and I went from 20-30 fps to around 40-150.
Also I doubt you'll be able to run 128 chunks lol. I have a heavily overclocked i5 (single core score is about the same as a stock i7-6700K) and a GTX 970, and even after allocating 7gb of ram to MC, I was getting major lag spikes and performance drops. This was at 32 chunks with High Shaders. Personally I think 16 chunks is plenty.
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I can test 128 chunks later today when I get home from work. If my CPU can't do it I can't imagine anything much else will be able to haha. Am guessing no, each increase in chunk view distance is an exponential increase in overall chunks, and 128 is an absolutely INSANE amount of chunks. Not even worth it, you can't possibly even see that far.
Anyways, the GPU upgrade but no fps increase is definitely feasable, I chucked a GTX 980 in with a Pentium D 915 once and it made literally zero difference.
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I think it depends on whether the previous GPU was actually pushing the CPU to the limit or not. I know on my C2D PC, the integrated graphics were complete garbage, and the 970 helped a lot. But if I put a GTX 660 or something, it'll probably get the same results.
Gaming PC Specs - Intel i5-2500K ~ ASUS P8P67M-Pro ~ Hyper 212+ ~ MSI GTX 970 OC ~ 8GB DDR3 Ram ~ 250GB Samsung EVO 850 ~ 500GB HardDrive ~ XFX 550w PSU ~ Fractal Core 1000 ~ Windows 8.1 ~ Samsung P2350 1080p Soon upgrading to GTX 1080/R9 490X + 1440p 144Hz
Macbook Pro 15" Retina - Intel i7 ~ 8GB Ram ~ Nvidia GT 650M ~ 256GB SSD ~ 2880 by 1800 Screen <3
Alrighty, here's 32 render distance below, however I can't make it go higher than 32. Anyone know how to force it up to 64/128? Not up to date at all with Minecraft anymore, haven't played for a good 3 years.
Still getting 400-600fps with everything on max so should be able to go higher.
K95 RGB / Logitech G502 PS / Alienware AW3418DW / ViewSonic XG2703-GS / Sennheiser HD 598
damn that's a lot of allocated ram lol.
When I ran shaders+32 chunks I was lagging quite a bit, but I only had 2gb of ram allocated. I guess I'll try 6gb or something.
Edit: How on earth are you getting 400-600 fps? My CPU is quite a bit slower (i5-2500K OC'd to 4.5GHz), but on 32 Chunks, everything maxed out, I'm getting 100-300 standing still, 60-120 moving, and I even get drops down to 40-50 when flying.
I also tried shaders at the same settings, and was constantly getting 25-30 fps. This is with 6gb of ram allocating, and the game never used over 2-3gb
Gaming PC Specs - Intel i5-2500K ~ ASUS P8P67M-Pro ~ Hyper 212+ ~ MSI GTX 970 OC ~ 8GB DDR3 Ram ~ 250GB Samsung EVO 850 ~ 500GB HardDrive ~ XFX 550w PSU ~ Fractal Core 1000 ~ Windows 8.1 ~ Samsung P2350 1080p Soon upgrading to GTX 1080/R9 490X + 1440p 144Hz
Macbook Pro 15" Retina - Intel i7 ~ 8GB Ram ~ Nvidia GT 650M ~ 256GB SSD ~ 2880 by 1800 Screen <3