I recently heard that building a computer is cheaper than buying one. I tried telling my dad that if we ever plan on getting a new computer, its better off to build it instead, but he 100% disagrees. He says it's:
Time consuming
You have to study the computer parts
Its a 1000X harder than you think
It recently started costing more
Time is money so it technically costs more
From all these reasons I heard from my father, all I can say is this:
"Time consuming" my ass. There's times when something is longer, the better.
"You have to study the computer parts" Oh sure. Then tell me how an 11 year old built a PC.
"Its a 1000X harder than you think" From what I heard its like LEGO. I saw you modify my crappy windows XP and it doesn't look so complicated.
"It recently started costing more" Really?! Then prove it.
"Time is money so it technically costs more" Time consuming my ass, prove that it costs more, and tell my why its so hard to build a PC when an 11 YEAR OLD KID knew how to build a computer.
So all I can say is that its gonna be pretty hard to persuade him because he does everything his way, doesn't trust ANY source he doesn't know, and he's pretty much a paranoid and a closed community kind of person.
And he barely trusts the internet since he heard how the internet is literally dominated by trolls who only puts viruses in the downloads.
And here's a few things I'm confused about:
Why did he let me download a game on YOUTUBE just for himself when he assumes that everything that I download is virus
Why did they modify my XP when they said that its more expensive to build/modify one?
Why are they getting harder to understand by the moment?
I do believe in some ways that YOU guys can provide evidence.
A good evidence would be:
A high quality video with no effects on it, showing how building a computer is easy and cheap
Why buying a PC is more expensive
Why and how our money would be saved from building a PC
And if I get enough evidence (and enough is actually A LOT,) I just might get my dad to start modifying PCs instead of having to waste money by buying them.
And if you guys do provide evidence. I swear I'll be in your debt. My dad may be a strong person by heart but tends to have a lot of bad personalities as well.
So provide any evidence you guys can.
BTW quote this post so I can get a more direct notification. Thnkz. ;D
I would show him the difference between one of the computers in your house and the price on pcpartpicker.com when you put all the parts in. Then ask him if it's really worth it for a $400 case.
Time is sastification, you rush, you gonna F*** something up. Prebuilt you lose more money then the hardware itself cost by A LOT. Buy the parts you need for WHAT you need. Each part has its own warranty, you ship that part only if something fails, not the entire PC which costs a lot to ship due to weight.
They are not hard to build at all, very easy at most. Internet is safe if you use common sense.
Top end parts cost a lot, but buying each part seperate is actually cheap to say. Or get bundles and you get really good deals, such as DIY kits.
Time saves money, buying prebuilt wastes money.
We that dwell in this board of the minecraft forums can help you pick parts for a good PC build. It is what we do to say. We help you with issues, and building it as well if you need help.
Took me two hours to build my first computer. Learned a lot and was fun.
You have to study the computer parts
Yes, but for your first (and actually before purchasing anything related to computers) we are here.
Its a 1000X harder than you think
No. Its 1000x easier than you think. There is an 11 year old who build a computer and got in the newspaper. Post is in the forum somewhere. I built my first computer at 13. Easy.
EDIT: Right here.
It recently started costing more
That is BS.
Time is money so it technically costs more
Again BS.
The second part of the how to build a computer video is the most widely used. It is an excellent example.
Gotta love Newegg. The part about building a computer costing more might be somewhat true do to the increase in hard drive pricing, but the same price increase also happened in pre-build computers.
For the most part anyone can build a computer if they wanted to. I've build a few computers and they only take a couple of hours to build at most. And if you are unsure if certain parts will work together you can always ask people in forums and they'll let you know if the system will work or not.
I build my dad a $250 system that works just like a $500 system, my $1500 gaming system works better than the majority of gaming rigs that you can purchase, and I build a $350 Minecraft server that fits my needs perfectly.
Tell him that PC building is a hobby that people have just like working with cars, sports, and those sorts of things.
Flutterwry brings some great points. You don't even have to think about it if you don't want to. There's so many VERY skilled people in this section of the forums that you really don't need to worry about it. We'll choose the parts and give you advice on building it.
Also remember that there was an 11 year old on here who had built his own computer (and although he was obviously VERY intelligent for his age, it's still something to consider).
BTW quote this post so I can get a more direct notification. Thnkz. ;D
He's right that it's Time consuming, though it's only maybe a half-hour required to put it all together. You certainly don't need to study the parts; computers can hardly even be put together incorrectly anymore- things only fit in one way. It's certainly not hard by any stretch of the imagination. Hell it's easier than putting Lego kits together because you don't need instructions- stuff only goes together properly unless you force it.
However he does have a point that it recently started costing more; although he's wrong- it has almost always cost more. You rarely save money building your own system; purchasing a complete system from mail order or a mass merchandiser is almost always less expensive. The reason is simple: Most vendors that build systems to order use many- if not all- of the same components you can use when building your own system. The difference is that they purchase them in large quantities and typically get bulk pricing of the components.
The reasons for building a system have less to do with saving money and more to do with the experience one gains and the results. In the end, you have a custom system that contains the exact components and features you selected. When you buy a preassembled machine, you typically have to compromise in some way. Also, after building a system you know exactly what is in the system and how it is configured because you did it yourself, making future upgrades easier.
You can do it in an evening if you're slow, a few hours if you're fast.
You have to study the computer parts
So you're going to buy a crappy prebuilt because you DIDN'T do your homework? Has your dad bought ANYTHING before?
Its a 1000X harder than you think
All you do is plug stuff in. All you need to know is which plug goes where.
It recently started costing more
Computer hardware, like any market, fluctuates rapidly based on what the market leaders are producing. Saying that it recently started costing more is irrational as the market is always changing.
Time is money so it technically costs more
All the time you spend on the phone with tech support will far outweigh the amount of time you spend building your rig.
I recently heard that building a computer is cheaper than buying one. I tried telling my dad that if we ever plan on getting a new computer, its better off to build it instead, but he 100% disagrees. He says it's:
Time consuming
You have to study the computer parts
Its a 1000X harder than you think
It recently started costing more
Time is money so it technically costs more
1. It takes, on average, 3-4 hours to build a computer
2. Yes you have to study the parts but there's tons of enthusiasts out there that would be more than happy to help you with your build. I myself asked tons of questions on my build and everyone on this forum was more than happy to help. They even saved me a couple hundred bucks on my build.
3. It's actually not as hard as it seems. It's literally just screwing in some screws, plugging in plugs and wiring all the wires.
4. Actually only the newest stuff costs more because they're the next gen stuff. The older generation stuff is relatively inexpensive and you can build a pretty good computer for under $1000
5. Maybe in the working world it costs more to pay for employees time. But in your personal time, you can do whatever you want. The only time is money thing that is actually applicable is shipping stuff.
A high quality video with no effects on it, showing how building a computer is easy and cheap
Why buying a PC is more expensive
Why and how our money would be saved from building a PC
1. Here's a video playlist with detailed info on building a computer: http://www.youtube.c...A386BA4FC86B1B5
2. You not only have to buy the components in the PC itself. You have to pay for the profit of the retailer.
3. For the same price as a prebuilt average computer, I'm building a computer that can do things a $3000 prebuilt would.
Haha...what? Every point your dad has made is very, very wrong. It is extremely easy to order a few parts and plug them in to each other, there is no real skill or anything involved as long as you know what-goes-where. Hell, I figured it out by myself when I was around 9, playing with the insides of a PII. After that I built my dad's computer, my computer, and 80-90 computers for my highschool. Simple ****, especially with the ATX standard.
With the old AT power supplies, it was possible to put plugs in the wrong order and fry your motherboard. These days...if it doesn't fit, it probably doesn't go there.
Just order the correct parts and use common sense.
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If you buy a computer, you're going to pay for all parts of it, even when you don't need some of them, or if you could do with lower end parts.
According to those companies who preassemble computers, a computer can't be high-end if it doesn't have a blu-ray reader+writer, a 2TB HDD and any CPU as long as it says i7 because people with no knowledge at all think i7 processors always outperform i5's and i3's.
Not to mention the so-called Gaming PC's. A typical gaming pc needs a 1366 CPU, a case full of LEDs, 16GB of 1600MHz RAM (even though Sandy/Ivy bridge doesn't support it without overclocking the FSB), 2 1TB HDDs in raid0, a dedicated sound card, a dedicated networking card, a super expensive 9000DPI mouse, a super expensive 'low latency' keyboard, and not to mention an even more expensive oversized low-response-time monitor.
According to those companies, again.
And the worst part is that these PC's are usually very expensive while a lot of them come with a GPU like the 550Ti or the 560Ti. Those are certainly not bad, but you could have saved on all that useless crap to get a much more powerful GPU.
And he barely trusts the internet since he heard how the internet is literally dominated by trolls who only puts viruses in the downloads.
And here's a few things I'm confused about:
A good evidence would be:
And if you guys do provide evidence. I swear I'll be in your debt. My dad may be a strong person by heart but tends to have a lot of bad personalities as well.
So provide any evidence you guys can.
BTW quote this post so I can get a more direct notification. Thnkz. ;D
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Time is sastification, you rush, you gonna F*** something up. Prebuilt you lose more money then the hardware itself cost by A LOT. Buy the parts you need for WHAT you need. Each part has its own warranty, you ship that part only if something fails, not the entire PC which costs a lot to ship due to weight.
They are not hard to build at all, very easy at most. Internet is safe if you use common sense.
Top end parts cost a lot, but buying each part seperate is actually cheap to say. Or get bundles and you get really good deals, such as DIY kits.
Time saves money, buying prebuilt wastes money.
We that dwell in this board of the minecraft forums can help you pick parts for a good PC build. It is what we do to say. We help you with issues, and building it as well if you need help.
EDIT: Right here.
The second part of the how to build a computer video is the most widely used. It is an excellent example.
2 or 3 months.A long-ass time.Oh boy, visual basic. I can barely contain my excitement. Not.
For the most part anyone can build a computer if they wanted to. I've build a few computers and they only take a couple of hours to build at most. And if you are unsure if certain parts will work together you can always ask people in forums and they'll let you know if the system will work or not.
I build my dad a $250 system that works just like a $500 system, my $1500 gaming system works better than the majority of gaming rigs that you can purchase, and I build a $350 Minecraft server that fits my needs perfectly.
Tell him that PC building is a hobby that people have just like working with cars, sports, and those sorts of things.
Also remember that there was an 11 year old on here who had built his own computer (and although he was obviously VERY intelligent for his age, it's still something to consider).
He's right that it's Time consuming, though it's only maybe a half-hour required to put it all together. You certainly don't need to study the parts; computers can hardly even be put together incorrectly anymore- things only fit in one way. It's certainly not hard by any stretch of the imagination. Hell it's easier than putting Lego kits together because you don't need instructions- stuff only goes together properly unless you force it.
However he does have a point that it recently started costing more; although he's wrong- it has almost always cost more. You rarely save money building your own system; purchasing a complete system from mail order or a mass merchandiser is almost always less expensive. The reason is simple: Most vendors that build systems to order use many- if not all- of the same components you can use when building your own system. The difference is that they purchase them in large quantities and typically get bulk pricing of the components.
The reasons for building a system have less to do with saving money and more to do with the experience one gains and the results. In the end, you have a custom system that contains the exact components and features you selected. When you buy a preassembled machine, you typically have to compromise in some way. Also, after building a system you know exactly what is in the system and how it is configured because you did it yourself, making future upgrades easier.
1. It takes, on average, 3-4 hours to build a computer
2. Yes you have to study the parts but there's tons of enthusiasts out there that would be more than happy to help you with your build. I myself asked tons of questions on my build and everyone on this forum was more than happy to help. They even saved me a couple hundred bucks on my build.
3. It's actually not as hard as it seems. It's literally just screwing in some screws, plugging in plugs and wiring all the wires.
4. Actually only the newest stuff costs more because they're the next gen stuff. The older generation stuff is relatively inexpensive and you can build a pretty good computer for under $1000
5. Maybe in the working world it costs more to pay for employees time. But in your personal time, you can do whatever you want. The only time is money thing that is actually applicable is shipping stuff.
1. Here's a video playlist with detailed info on building a computer: http://www.youtube.c...A386BA4FC86B1B5
2. You not only have to buy the components in the PC itself. You have to pay for the profit of the retailer.
3. For the same price as a prebuilt average computer, I'm building a computer that can do things a $3000 prebuilt would.
With the old AT power supplies, it was possible to put plugs in the wrong order and fry your motherboard. These days...if it doesn't fit, it probably doesn't go there.
Just order the correct parts and use common sense.
According to those companies who preassemble computers, a computer can't be high-end if it doesn't have a blu-ray reader+writer, a 2TB HDD and any CPU as long as it says i7 because people with no knowledge at all think i7 processors always outperform i5's and i3's.
Not to mention the so-called Gaming PC's. A typical gaming pc needs a 1366 CPU, a case full of LEDs, 16GB of 1600MHz RAM (even though Sandy/Ivy bridge doesn't support it without overclocking the FSB), 2 1TB HDDs in raid0, a dedicated sound card, a dedicated networking card, a super expensive 9000DPI mouse, a super expensive 'low latency' keyboard, and not to mention an even more expensive oversized low-response-time monitor.
According to those companies, again.
And the worst part is that these PC's are usually very expensive while a lot of them come with a GPU like the 550Ti or the 560Ti. Those are certainly not bad, but you could have saved on all that useless crap to get a much more powerful GPU.
Quoted for emphasis.