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I'm looking for a nice gaming rig capable of runing moderate games or stronger, with a price range of $850 or below.
By moderate games i'm meaning games like minecraft, shogun 2, M&B and other semi-powerful games.
I'm not completely sure on computer hardware, so i'd like some help on this matter.
Links would be very useful.
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It'll run the games you want to run with no problem at all.
But if you need an OS and Peripherals (E.g. Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard) then you'll need to cut back on some things.
Also, this build has a good upgrade path.
Thanks, i'll check it out
For now, +1
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"Sarcasm isn't the lowest form of wit... It isn't even wit at all."
“An ordinary archer practices until he gets it right. A ranger practices until he never gets it wrong.”
It'll run the games you want to run with no problem at all.
But if you need an OS and Peripherals (E.g. Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard) then you'll need to cut back on some things.
Also, this build has a good upgrade path.
You don' t need an HD6950 to run the games you want. Instead, consider replacing it with an HD6770 1024 Mb and upgrade the CPU to an Intel Core i5 for more effectiveness. After all, the only game that would challenge an HD6950 for now and 3-4 years would be Battlefield 3, while with an HD6770 you would be able to run games at high grtaphic settings for about 3 years. If you search for suggested hardware for games, most sites say Nvidia 9800, which was released in... 2007 I think?
And one last thing. Replace that 650W Power Supply with a PSU of 450W at 80% or higher efficiency for reduced energy consumption.
Other than that, the build here is good at my opinion.
You don' t need an HD6950 to run the games you want. Instead, consider replacing it with an HD6770 1024 Mb and upgrade the CPU to an Intel Core i5 for more effectiveness. After all, the only game that would challenge an HD6950 for now and 3-4 years would be Battlefield 3, while with an HD6770 you would be able to run games at high grtaphic settings for about 3 years. If you search for suggested hardware for games, most sites say Nvidia 9800, which was released in... 2007 I think?
And one last thing. Replace that 650W Power Supply with a PSU of 450W at 80% or higher efficiency for reduced energy consumption.
Other than that, the build here is good at my opinion.
No.
A 6950 will do him fine, the 6770 is too weak to handle higher-end games. And 9800 is pretty damn dated, so either where you got that information is an old site/suggestion or they just don't know what they're talking about.
The i3 is pretty damn good by itself, being able to even beat some of AMD's bulldozers series of CPUs and if you didn't know, the GPU is needed more over the CPU when it comes to gaming. With the addition of the i3's hyperthreading, it's basically a Quad-Core already. He can upgrade to the i5 later on.
450W is cutting it close, remember, this is the 6xxx series of AMD GPUs, not the 7xxx series where they're power efficient. As I've also said, having the 650W will not only leave him headroom, but also a good upgrade path.
A 6950 will do him fine, the 6770 is too weak to handle higher-end games. And 9800 is pretty damn dated, so either where you got that information is an old site/suggestion or they just don't know what they're talking about.
The i3 is pretty damn good by itself, being able to even beat some of AMD's bulldozers series of CPUs and if you didn't know, the GPU is needed more over the CPU when it comes to gaming. With the addition of the i3's hyperthreading, it's basically a Quad-Core already. He can upgrade to the i5 later on.
450W is cutting it close, remember, this is the 6xxx series of AMD GPUs, not the 7xxx series where they're power efficient. As I've also said, having the 650W will not only leave him headroom, but also a good upgrade path.
The 6950 is quite useless, unless you are a 3D modeler. An HD6770 is enough to run the games he wants, and the i5 is apparently better than i3 because it can provide more proccessing power through turbo boost if needed, a feature i3 doesn' t include.
Also, 650W are just an energy waste. Say that he uses his PC 5 hours a day, and that each kW is priced at 1$ (which apparently isn' t, ti is much more expensive). 650 * 5 * 30 / 1000 = 97.5$, which means that he must pay ~100$ a month to work on a 650W computer.
For the information, I have a notebook of standard 450W charger, and has never been proven to be incapable of running whatever programs I run, whenever it is multitasking or gaming.
The 6950 is quite useless, unless you are a 3D modeler. An HD6770 is enough to run the games he wants, and the i5 is apparently better than i3 because it can provide more proccessing power through turbo boost if needed, a feature i3 doesn' t include.
Uh no the a heavily overclocked 6970 is not capable of maxing Shogun 2 a game he plans on playing.
Also you do know just because your psu can power up to 650 watts is not pulling that 24/7.
OP I think it might be worth grabbing the 7850 same price as the 6950 and in the majority of games it is faster then it. It will get better with better drivers so the gap will get larger between it and the 6950.
You people want the best. You might be professionals and stuff, but the HD6950 is USELESS. It is TOO EXPENSIVE to afford nowadays, and currently no game other than Battlefield 3 makes full use of it. And since you don' t believe me, why don' t you check this site?
You might have the money to build computers, but putting pressure on him to buy that HD6950 is just not good. The GPU is nothing compared to the CPU and RAM a computer should have to run smoothly at my opinion. My notebook has an HD6490M and guess what? It runs MW3 and League of Legends on Ultra High and 2x Antialliasing, with shadows.
You people want the best. You might be professionals and stuff, but the HD6950 is USELESS. It is TOO EXPENSIVE to afford nowadays, and currently no game other than Battlefield 3 makes full use of it. And since you don' t believe me, why don' t you check this site?
You might have the money to build computers, but putting pressure on him to buy that HD6950 is just something to be avoided. The GPU is nothing compared to the CPU and RAM a computer should have to run smoothly.
A 6950 or a 7850 is in no way the best they are far from the top of the heap in gaming right now the gtx 680. Shogun 2 got a lot more demanding with the Directx11 patch. Cysis 2 is also demanding on a 6950. Also notice how it only maxes metro on medium.
When I get home I can load up a video of my 6970 having massive FPS drop when running shogun 2 at max during a battle scene.
Not like we are pressuring him to go over budget Infired recommended a build well under his budget after rebates granted they are hit and miss sometimes.
A 6950 or a 7870 is in no way the best they are far from the top of the heap in gaming right now the gtx 680. Shogun 2 got a lot more demanding with the Directx11 patch. Cysis 2 is also demanding on a 6950. Also notice how it only maxes metro on medium.
When I get home I can load up a video of my 6970 having massive FPS drop when running shogun 2 at max during a battle scene.
Not like we are pressuring him to go over budget Infired recommended a build well under his budget after rebates granted they are hit and miss sometimes.
If you drive to a computer malnufacturing company and ask them about what hardware to get to run games, they won' t tell you "get the most expensive, it is the only thing to do the job". One of the most famous and award-winning computer malnufacturer in Europe here in Greece, Turbo-X, has HD6770 GPUs installed on their Gaming-designed computers. Here I post the exact hardware these pre-built computers come with:
CPU: Intel Core i5 2400 3.10Ghz
RAM: 4Gb DDR3 1333Mhz
Hard Disk: SATA II 500Gb 7200 rpm
Secondary Hard Disk: SSD 60Gb
GPU: ATI Radeon HD6770 1Gb
Motherboard: H61 Sandybridge DDR3
Case: Full Tower
Optical Drive: DVD RW Double Layer
PSU: 550W
Sound: 5:1
One of my friends own this computer, and trust me, we have tried playing many games and all of them ran smoothly on Ultra-High settings.
If you drive to a computer malnufacturing company and ask them about what hardware to get to run games, they won' t tell you "get the most expensive, it is the only thing to do the job". One of the most famous and award-winning computer malnufacturer in Europe here in Greece, Turbo-X, has HD6770 GPUs installed on their Gaming-designed computers. Here I post the exact hardware these pre-built computers come with:
CPU: Intel Core i5 2400 3.10Ghz
RAM: 4Gb DDR3 1333Mhz
Hard Disk: SATA II 500Gb 7200 rpm
Secondary Hard Disk: SSD 60Gb
GPU: ATI Radeon HD6770 1Gb
Motherboard: H61 Sandybridge DDR3
Case: Full Tower
Optical Drive: DVD RW Double Layer
PSU: 550W
Sound: 5:1
Cost: 820€, which is 685.5 pounds. You can easily build or buy a computer with these specs, or you can even remove the SSD disk, and the price falls under 850$.
One of my friends own this computer, and trust me, we have tried playing many games and all of them ran smoothly on Ultra-High settings.
First of all we are not telling him to get the best we are telling him to get solid midrange parts that are in his budget nothing we have recommended is out of hid budget. I doubt you ran Metro 2033, Crysis 2, Civ 5 or Shogun 2.
Second of all that build is terrible convert it to USD and its 1087$ while either build that's been recommended would trash it. Not to mention both have more harddrive space.
First of all we are not telling him to get the best we are telling him to get solid midrange parts that are in his budget nothing we have recommended is out of hid budget. I doubt you ran Metro 2033, Crysis 2, Civ 5 or Shogun 2.
Second of all that build is terrible convert it to USD and its 1087$ while either build that's been recommended would trash it. Not to mention both have more harddrive space.
Prices differ from place to place, as many different factors (taxes, etc) apply. This was just an example, and that' s why I edited the post and removed the price. The build is good, and yes, the games I ran was Civillization 5, Modern Warfare 3, League of Legends, cracked Crysis 2 (singleplayer only) and some others not that important for the specs that computer has.
EDIT: The VAT here in Greece is 23%, excluding the local community tax of 1-2% and the percent of profit that goes to the malnufacturer.
You don' t need an HD6950 to run the games you want. Instead, consider replacing it with an HD6770 1024 Mb and upgrade the CPU to an Intel Core i5 for more effectiveness. After all, the only game that would challenge an HD6950 for now and 3-4 years would be Battlefield 3, while with an HD6770 you would be able to run games at high grtaphic settings for about 3 years. If you search for suggested hardware for games, most sites say Nvidia 9800, which was released in... 2007 I think?
And one last thing. Replace that 650W Power Supply with a PSU of 450W at 80% or higher efficiency for reduced energy consumption.
Other than that, the build here is good at my opinion.
You are just full of wrong
The 6770 is weak the 9800 is crap now.
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Desktop (not yet built): i7 2600k/3770k, Gtx 680 DCII/Twin Frozr III, 16gb ram, 2TB Seagate hard drive, 500R/650D. psu that I haven't decided on yet
The Windows 8 beta can be used for people who don't have Win7. Plus win7 has been our for a while now most peoples older computers have it.
Really because out of the like 100 builds i've made within the last month atleast 95 of them needed an OS.
Using a beta as your OS is beyond stupid, I can't believe anyone seriously suggests that, not to mention the fact you'll have to pay for it at some point.
Really because out of the like 100 builds i've made within the last month atleast 95 of them needed an OS.
Using a beta as your OS is beyond stupid, I can't believe anyone seriously suggests that, not to mention the fact you'll have to pay for it at some point.
I use it as my 24/7 OS no problem and its worth spending 100$ more for performance and later buying an OS.
By moderate games i'm meaning games like minecraft, shogun 2, M&B and other semi-powerful games.
I'm not completely sure on computer hardware, so i'd like some help on this matter.
Links would be very useful.
“An ordinary archer practices until he gets it right. A ranger practices until he never gets it wrong.”
$843.29 or $783.29 after mail-in rebates.
It'll run the games you want to run with no problem at all.
But if you need an OS and Peripherals (E.g. Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard) then you'll need to cut back on some things.
Also, this build has a good upgrade path.
Thanks, i'll check it out
For now, +1
“An ordinary archer practices until he gets it right. A ranger practices until he never gets it wrong.”
You don' t need an HD6950 to run the games you want. Instead, consider replacing it with an HD6770 1024 Mb and upgrade the CPU to an Intel Core i5 for more effectiveness. After all, the only game that would challenge an HD6950 for now and 3-4 years would be Battlefield 3, while with an HD6770 you would be able to run games at high grtaphic settings for about 3 years. If you search for suggested hardware for games, most sites say Nvidia 9800, which was released in... 2007 I think?
And one last thing. Replace that 650W Power Supply with a PSU of 450W at 80% or higher efficiency for reduced energy consumption.
Other than that, the build here is good at my opinion.
My version.
No.
A 6950 will do him fine, the 6770 is too weak to handle higher-end games. And 9800 is pretty damn dated, so either where you got that information is an old site/suggestion or they just don't know what they're talking about.
The i3 is pretty damn good by itself, being able to even beat some of AMD's bulldozers series of CPUs and if you didn't know, the GPU is needed more over the CPU when it comes to gaming. With the addition of the i3's hyperthreading, it's basically a Quad-Core already. He can upgrade to the i5 later on.
450W is cutting it close, remember, this is the 6xxx series of AMD GPUs, not the 7xxx series where they're power efficient. As I've also said, having the 650W will not only leave him headroom, but also a good upgrade path.
The 6950 is quite useless, unless you are a 3D modeler. An HD6770 is enough to run the games he wants, and the i5 is apparently better than i3 because it can provide more proccessing power through turbo boost if needed, a feature i3 doesn' t include.
Also, 650W are just an energy waste. Say that he uses his PC 5 hours a day, and that each kW is priced at 1$ (which apparently isn' t, ti is much more expensive). 650 * 5 * 30 / 1000 = 97.5$, which means that he must pay ~100$ a month to work on a 650W computer.
For the information, I have a notebook of standard 450W charger, and has never been proven to be incapable of running whatever programs I run, whenever it is multitasking or gaming.
Uh no the a heavily overclocked 6970 is not capable of maxing Shogun 2 a game he plans on playing.
Also you do know just because your psu can power up to 650 watts is not pulling that 24/7.
OP I think it might be worth grabbing the 7850 same price as the 6950 and in the majority of games it is faster then it. It will get better with better drivers so the gap will get larger between it and the 6950.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102984
If might be worth it if you have the budget for it to grab a I5 shogun 2 can be pretty demanding on the CPU.
You might have the money to build computers, but putting pressure on him to buy that HD6950 is just not good. The GPU is nothing compared to the CPU and RAM a computer should have to run smoothly at my opinion. My notebook has an HD6490M and guess what? It runs MW3 and League of Legends on Ultra High and 2x Antialliasing, with shadows.
A 6950 or a 7850 is in no way the best they are far from the top of the heap in gaming right now the gtx 680. Shogun 2 got a lot more demanding with the Directx11 patch. Cysis 2 is also demanding on a 6950. Also notice how it only maxes metro on medium.
When I get home I can load up a video of my 6970 having massive FPS drop when running shogun 2 at max during a battle scene.
Not like we are pressuring him to go over budget Infired recommended a build well under his budget after rebates granted they are hit and miss sometimes.
CPU: 220$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
Motherboard: 104$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157279
Memory: 38$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422
Case: 40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147023
PSU: 70$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182131
HardDrive: 85$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769
GPU: 260$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102984
Total: 817$
If you drive to a computer malnufacturing company and ask them about what hardware to get to run games, they won' t tell you "get the most expensive, it is the only thing to do the job". One of the most famous and award-winning computer malnufacturer in Europe here in Greece, Turbo-X, has HD6770 GPUs installed on their Gaming-designed computers. Here I post the exact hardware these pre-built computers come with:
CPU: Intel Core i5 2400 3.10Ghz
RAM: 4Gb DDR3 1333Mhz
Hard Disk: SATA II 500Gb 7200 rpm
Secondary Hard Disk: SSD 60Gb
GPU: ATI Radeon HD6770 1Gb
Motherboard: H61 Sandybridge DDR3
Case: Full Tower
Optical Drive: DVD RW Double Layer
PSU: 550W
Sound: 5:1
One of my friends own this computer, and trust me, we have tried playing many games and all of them ran smoothly on Ultra-High settings.
Nice one.
First of all we are not telling him to get the best we are telling him to get solid midrange parts that are in his budget nothing we have recommended is out of hid budget. I doubt you ran Metro 2033, Crysis 2, Civ 5 or Shogun 2.
Second of all that build is terrible convert it to USD and its 1087$ while either build that's been recommended would trash it. Not to mention both have more harddrive space.
Prices differ from place to place, as many different factors (taxes, etc) apply. This was just an example, and that' s why I edited the post and removed the price. The build is good, and yes, the games I ran was Civillization 5, Modern Warfare 3, League of Legends, cracked Crysis 2 (singleplayer only) and some others not that important for the specs that computer has.
EDIT: The VAT here in Greece is 23%, excluding the local community tax of 1-2% and the percent of profit that goes to the malnufacturer.
The Windows 8 beta can be used for people who don't have Win7. Plus win7 has been our for a while now most peoples older computers have it.
You are just full of wrong
The 6770 is weak the 9800 is crap now.
Desktop (not yet built): i7 2600k/3770k, Gtx 680 DCII/Twin Frozr III, 16gb ram, 2TB Seagate hard drive, 500R/650D. psu that I haven't decided on yet
Really because out of the like 100 builds i've made within the last month atleast 95 of them needed an OS.
Using a beta as your OS is beyond stupid, I can't believe anyone seriously suggests that, not to mention the fact you'll have to pay for it at some point.
I use it as my 24/7 OS no problem and its worth spending 100$ more for performance and later buying an OS.