Oooooh boy. That was very painful to read. So this well-formatted guide of 3 years is just gonna vanish?
We could just keep the worst suggestions off the inferior suggestions which cant be fixed on any way(herobrine)
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Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world — "No, you move
If the guide is redone, what style do you propose? If it's too formal, it might be lengthy and off-putting or feel too much like a set of official rules. If it is too informal, then we are right back where we started. Of course, we could find a middle ground here but how different should it be? Should it be satrical but less angry? Slightly humorous but straight-to-the-point? What style do you think would be the most beneficial to the users on this forum?
Perhaps bluntly honest? I find that removing the insults and simply telling it how it is makes for a better impact in people's minds. "If you do this, it's going to be bad, and you will feel bad. Don't do it unless you want to feel bad about doing it." It's more of a warning than it is condescension that way.
Agreed, I have a large amount of respect for Theriasis and they definitely know what should be aimed for when writing a suggestion, but a lot of the manner in which it is said is "If you do this you are stupid" rather than giving people a method to follow for refining and improving their own ideas. That is the primary issue with the thread, focusing too much on the dozens of possible things people shouldn't do rather than explain what they should do.
The methods for refining and improving are there in some forms. The problem is that there's no categorization, just a list of every possible bad idea, presentation, and excuse possible, so it seems like there's a lot more negativity than positivity.
There still needs to be a "things to avoid" section in the end product. It's impossible to have any authority when dealing with bad (yet not rule-breaking) suggestions otherwise. However, it can be more of a polite minder of ways you shouldn't think about your suggestion than a downright NO to all fifty of these incredibly specific ideas and excuses.
I talked it over with some of the other MD staff and my admin and this guide is set to be updated with a version that aims more to explain what should be done, rather than what should not be done. I regret to say that it will likely be an entirely new guide. I know that is going to make many people upset and rightfully so
Uh yeah, I'm going to be pretty upset that something I worked on and refined and edited constantly is just gonna vanish. Can't I at least redo the guide so it's more user friendly, or at the very least, be the author of the new guide, since I'm pretty clever and writing stuff and keeping things interesting.
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The Unofficial Suggestion Guide - Everything you need to know to not make goofy mistakes in a suggestion! Honestly though, you should really go there.
I have seen lots of posts saying that we dont need more utility mobs on game or animals on general.(mainly because there is a small portion of hostile mobs compared to the utility ones). Unless it's explaiend why we shouldn't have X and Y, then that isn't a really good excuse to good for.
also i have heard people that said that MC does not need more mobs(hostile/passive) at the time.
most pet suggestions here on the forum get smashed by most of the community. Suggestions like those mostly go like: We should have a new mob, it does the exact same thing the Wolf does and it can kill Creepers!" or it's another multipurpose mob combining 2 utility mobs or it's just an upgraded version of an existing mob. Don't even get me started on Diamond/Emerald Golems.
the only suggestion i have seen of a new pet that survived enough tie was the dove and pigeon one. There are other pet suggestions. I believe I remember numerous about pet Eagles or birds, but those were fairly good since it wasn't based of an existing one. And as I said, I've made 2 utility mob suggestions, and those recieved good responses, I'm sure there are others.
We could just keep the worst suggestions off the inferior suggestions which cant be fixed on any way(herobrine)
But like then like some users are inferring, it might need to be changed to have a more 'respectable' approach or style to fit in. I'm not sure what this new guide may look like or who will make it, but I find it very sad to let this guide go, especially all the work put into it from the start till now.
I know this is exaggeration, but there isn't any part of the guide comes close to "all your ideas are dumb, remember that!!" Otherwise, what would be the point of the guide? People seem to take the entirety of the guide and smack the "hater" label on it, but this is mostly the excuses, presentations and inferior suggestions part (and even some of those entries aren't all that mean, some are neutral and some are actually very forgiving).
The image guide, balance guide and criticism guide seem to not get ragey at all.
Which risks making the guide very 'meh'.
Of course those exact words were never written, it was a reading-between-the-lines general impression. However even general impressions do not appear out of thin air. I would absolutely never for example have gotten the overall impression of "hey noob your questions suck!" from the survival forum or "omg, this loser actually thinks he can build!" from the creative forum. or "who does this idiot think he is, Notch?" from the Mods forum. Those forums seem balanced, despite the fact that they often dish out constructive criticism.
I have zero personal motivation for defending excuses for unpopular suggestions since never once have I created a suggestion thread on the Suggestions forum, unpopular or otherwise. I have read a lot of threads on here though, so I can report back what I see.
You seem to think that a guide must be either abrasive or full of back-patting/hand holding and "meh" and there are no other options.
In my opinion this guide too often refers to "dumb/bad/stupid" ideas. I mean take a good critical look at it and count how many times it uses the word dumb or a synonym like 'crap' etc. Which is a completely subjective, emotive description. It needs more logical reasoning about why some suggestions are unbalanced or unrealistic ones. Yes, it gives some logic, and makes a decent start, but it needs more of it.
I guess the general point here is to take a more distant and objective approach.
"Do this because I said so" or "Do this otherwise it's dumb" isn't exactly the best angle.
Try for more of a look at "Here's why X is a bad idea" or "Here's where Y has a logical breakdown" etc.
I use objectivism in FTC, but that also has its own problems. It's cold, formal, impersonal. While the points are there and they do strive for reasoned and articulate explanations for "why to" or "why not to", it's difficult for the average reader to identify with. The answer is, of course, to add in spikes of humor to keep the reading entertaining; but then you run the risk of losing the thread's objective quality.
Overall, I like the points that Theriasis and crew outlined. I did find that they were a bit extreme for a guide though. This adds a danger of the post becoming highly subjective and the unintentional view of demanded conformity to a single ideology. I highly doubt Theriasis or any of her co-contributors want to create a hive mind from the readers here; at the same token, some of the presentations lend false credence toward that. At least, that's what I got through some of the sections. Taking a step back and revising a few sections to be less personal and more logical is a nice middle ground. This is a hell of a lot of work to just throw away because a few minority sections are causing alarm. Perhaps instead of reinventing the wheel; soften a few of the rougher corners.
I guess the general point here is to take a more distant and objective approach.
"Do this because I said so" or "Do this otherwise it's dumb" isn't exactly the best angle.
Try for more of a look at "Here's why X is a bad idea" or "Here's where Y has a logical breakdown" etc.
I use objectivism in FTC, but that also has its own problems. It's cold, formal, impersonal. While the points are there and they do strive for reasoned and articulate explanations for "why to" or "why not to", it's difficult for the average reader to identify with. The answer is, of course, to add in spikes of humor to keep the reading entertaining; but then you run the risk of losing the thread's objective quality.
Overall, I like the points that Theriasis and crew outlined. I did find that they were a bit extreme for a guide though. This adds a danger of the post becoming highly subjective and the unintentional view of demanded conformity to a single ideology. I highly doubt Theriasis or any of her co-contributors want to create a hive mind from the readers here; at the same token, some of the presentations lend false credence toward that. At least, that's what I got through some of the sections. Taking a step back and revising a few sections to be less personal and more logical is a nice middle ground. This is a hell of a lot of work to just throw away because a few minority sections are causing alarm. Perhaps instead of reinventing the wheel; soften a few of the rougher corners.
I have to agree.
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There was a computer dating back to Adam and Eve. An apple, and a very bad one at that, it only took 1 byte to crash everything.
"If they say IT IS Opposite day .. doesn't that mean IT ISN'T?
The Opposite of Opposite day is Normal day. so in turn, there will never be an opposite day. "
But like then like some users are inferring, it might need to be changed to have a more 'respectable' approach or style to fit in. I'm not sure what this new guide may look like or who will make it, but I find it very sad to let this guide go, especially all the work put into it from the start till now.
yeah suggestions for new mobs that dont have effort on them make them useless,but the argument that we dont need more passive mobs or utility ones is used frequently on new mob suggestions.
thats why i am afraid of making a atmospheric mobs suggestion.
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Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world — "No, you move
I know this is exaggeration, but there isn't any part of the guide comes close to "all your ideas are dumb, remember that!!" Otherwise, what would be the point of the guide? People seem to take the entirety of the guide and smack the "hater" label on it, but this is mostly the excuses, presentations and inferior suggestions part (and even some of those entries aren't all that mean, some are neutral and some are actually very forgiving).
Well it actually does say straight out "this is stupid" many times. Of course it doesn't ever say "all of your ideas are dumb" that just doesn't make sense contextually, Theriasis doesn't aim to judge people themselves in the guide, just their ideas. And it wouldn't make sense to add in something about their other ideas when it's specifically targeted towards one little thing that shouldn't be done. I agree that to many, the guide may appear worse than it is. But that's just as big of a problem. Because regardless of what it actually is, if a new user comes on, sees this, and thinks, "Wow this place is really hostile I'd better leave" it doesn't matter whether it's actually hostile or not. That user left either way.
The image guide, balance guide and criticism guide seem to not get ragey at all.
Of course there are good parts. Heck, even amazing parts. Like your overachiever's guide for example. I love that. Because it encourages good things, rather than discouraging bad things.
Which risks making the guide very 'meh'.
think he was trying to say not to write it super nice, but also not super abrasive. Your response would only really make sense if he suggested making it super nice. Which he didn't. He suggested making a balanced version. Besides, a meh guide is better than one that offends players
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Even though my Join date is in 2014, I tried the demo on 8/30/2012, and bought the game two days later on 9/1/2012. So hipster
Besides, a meh guide is better than one that offends players
People have too many triggers. It's incredibly easy to offend someone from sheer accident. Let alone from trying to explain. The only way you can go through life without offending anyone is by avoiding all human contact; and even that would offend some. It's better to make a complete guide that says things impersonally instead of setting off to offend or hit a nice impossible neutral ground.
Except it gets the message across. While it is possible to make some of those ideas good, it just takes time to do so and most people would probably just post "Plz make ____" and make it extremely overpowered.
Then you risk having the message not spreading to newcomers.
I think that everyone has the right to make a bad suggestion. If they make a "plz make x" suggestion, they can grow from that. In my opinion, that's far better than never making a suggestion at all. There are no bad ideas. That should be the motto of the suggestions section. Not, here is a list of bad ideas, use them and be shamed. Back to the you have the right to make a bad suggestion, I feel like (excluding things like spam threads) once you enter a thread it is your decision to be there, and unless the thread breaks any specific rules (as in forums rules, not sticky thread 'rules') you can't be upset at the author, as you are there of your own free will. You can't get mad that you have to read his or her terrible suggestion, because if you don't want to you can leave at any time. There's nothing wrong with bad suggestions. We should just try and help people to slowly get better and better at making suggestions. Rather than prevent bad suggestions, we should try to generate more good ones. We're never going to stop low-quality suggestions. But we might be able to make the good ones better. That should be our goal. Wow, that was rambling. Good thing this isn't my thread Also, sorry for not multi-quoting, and I'm not sure if this is still relevant or not after Badprenup's reply
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Even though my Join date is in 2014, I tried the demo on 8/30/2012, and bought the game two days later on 9/1/2012. So hipster
Well saying "this idea is stupid" many times over might technically be impersonal since the idea in question is a hypothetical one but it's still obviously intended to get a certain reaction rather than stay neutral.
There is such a thing as stirring or trolling, and in that case one did not just happen to hit some random reader's deep seated subconscious triggers, like whoops, sorry I got you mad. It was intentional.
A guide that is formal and impersonal, could turn out to be better than one that might be turning a significant percent of people with worthy ideas away. I'm a fairly outspoken person but I think a large number of people would just go "ok, I can't see my so called dumb idea ever getting a look in here. Whatever guys, buhbuy, NEXT." With this current guide.
Ideally a potential new guide would still incorporate some inoffensive, (and perhaps even some slightly non-pc) humour without devolving into flamebait.
People have too many triggers. It's incredibly easy to offend someone from sheer accident. Let alone from trying to explain. The only way you can go through life without offending anyone is by avoiding all human contact; and even that would offend some. It's better to make a complete guide that says things impersonally instead of setting off to offend or hit a nice impossible neutral ground.
Sure, you can't avoid offending people. But this guide is blatantly calling things bad, and dumb, and stupid. This is basically one of the excuses from the guide that you should never use. Time to publicly shame you for using it. (sarcasm).
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Even though my Join date is in 2014, I tried the demo on 8/30/2012, and bought the game two days later on 9/1/2012. So hipster
Uh yeah, I'm going to be pretty upset that something I worked on and refined and edited constantly is just gonna vanish. Can't I at least redo the guide so it's more user friendly, or at the very least, be the author of the new guide, since I'm pretty clever and writing stuff and keeping things interesting.
I think he made it quite clear that the new guide would be a collaboration. Making yourself the author would basically make no difference other than putting your name at the front (and making you pretty responsible for future revisions I guess). He also stated that you would be included in the collaboration, so there's not much to worry about. I agree you're good at writing, I'm glad you'll be part of the new version. As for you getting offended, I don't really think that has grounds. The thread isn't getting deleted (I assume, at least if you protest that it probably won't be), just un-stickied. It's not a right to be a stickied thread, it's very much a privilege. You could get mad if they un-stickied it with you having made no revisions, but as Badprenup stated you borderline break forums rules. I don't really think there's much sense in being offended, if it's for the good of the forums. (Although I agree, get a chance to revise and everything). (also sorry if I made incorrect assumptions, I don't speak for the staff of course)
Sorry that I sorta spammed with the 4 posts in a row. Won't happen again, promise. And if I was rude in any of them I hope you can forgive me, it wasn't intentional (since some of the things I said could easily come across that way)
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Even though my Join date is in 2014, I tried the demo on 8/30/2012, and bought the game two days later on 9/1/2012. So hipster
Uh yeah, I'm going to be pretty upset that something I worked on and refined and edited constantly is just gonna vanish. Can't I at least redo the guide so it's more user friendly, or at the very least, be the author of the new guide, since I'm pretty clever and writing stuff and keeping things interesting.
I would prefer that this guide be changed, but the powers that be seem to want a full replacement. I have no problems with you writing it either, although it sounds like it is going to be just the OP and it will be locked, so all suggested changes would need to either be posted in Forum Discussion and Info, or (preferably) sent in a PM to whoever is the author of the thread or a moderator, and then having the changes discussed as a group. The only problems I can see with it being posted by you is that if it is locked a moderator would need to be the one to edit it because to my knowledge users cannot edit posts after a thread has been locked. But that is a minor issue, we could keep a private copy for making changes and then I can just grab the entire thing and push it to the stickied thread to update it.
PM is going out to anyone I could think of now.
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Sometimes I think people pay more immediate attention to joke, troll, vague, and wrong section threads here instead of the actual proper suggestions.
OP: Multicoloured wood stuff!!!! More wood kinds! Community: Would love this! Support! Me: STOP IT. STOP NO. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Me: Posts*
Community: Hey look! A thread with no comments! Lets leave it empty and let it die without even giving any thoughts! 2 days later: Me: What the... where's the thread.... oh page 10
Other notes:
> If you make a banner that doesn't link back to your thread, I'll hate you a little.
> Stop suggesting: lighted torch holding, retarded bosses, new dimensions, thirst, natural disasters.
> If you don't support a gun thread because it is "OP" and "unfitting" when it clearly isn't, (eg that musket thread), I will hunt you, and I will absorb your life essence.
Sometimes I think people pay more immediate attention to joke, troll, vague, and wrong section threads here instead of the actual proper suggestions.
OP: Multicoloured wood stuff!!!! More wood kinds! Community: Would love this! Support! Me: STOP IT. STOP NO. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Me: Posts*
Community: Hey look! A thread with no comments! Lets leave it empty and let it die without even giving any thoughts! 2 days later: Me: What the... where's the thread.... oh page 10
Other notes:
> If you make a banner that doesn't link back to your thread, I'll hate you a little.
> Stop suggesting: lighted torch holding, retarded bosses, new dimensions, thirst, natural disasters.
> If you don't support a gun thread because it is "OP" and "unfitting" when it clearly isn't, (eg that musket thread), I will hunt you, and I will absorb your life essence.
Agreed. I've never contributed to this guide, but it will still be very sad to see it go.
We could just keep the worst suggestions off the inferior suggestions which cant be fixed on any way(herobrine)
Perhaps bluntly honest? I find that removing the insults and simply telling it how it is makes for a better impact in people's minds. "If you do this, it's going to be bad, and you will feel bad. Don't do it unless you want to feel bad about doing it." It's more of a warning than it is condescension that way.
The methods for refining and improving are there in some forms. The problem is that there's no categorization, just a list of every possible bad idea, presentation, and excuse possible, so it seems like there's a lot more negativity than positivity.
There still needs to be a "things to avoid" section in the end product. It's impossible to have any authority when dealing with bad (yet not rule-breaking) suggestions otherwise. However, it can be more of a polite minder of ways you shouldn't think about your suggestion than a downright NO to all fifty of these incredibly specific ideas and excuses.
If you are planning to make a suggestion, please read this.
If you want to know more, you can read this.
For those who complain about post-Beta generation, you might want to see this.
Uh yeah, I'm going to be pretty upset that something I worked on and refined and edited constantly is just gonna vanish. Can't I at least redo the guide so it's more user friendly, or at the very least, be the author of the new guide, since I'm pretty clever and writing stuff and keeping things interesting.
The Unofficial Suggestion Guide - Everything you need to know to not make goofy mistakes in a suggestion! Honestly though, you should really go there.
But like then like some users are inferring, it might need to be changed to have a more 'respectable' approach or style to fit in. I'm not sure what this new guide may look like or who will make it, but I find it very sad to let this guide go, especially all the work put into it from the start till now.
Of course those exact words were never written, it was a reading-between-the-lines general impression. However even general impressions do not appear out of thin air. I would absolutely never for example have gotten the overall impression of "hey noob your questions suck!" from the survival forum or "omg, this loser actually thinks he can build!" from the creative forum. or "who does this idiot think he is, Notch?" from the Mods forum. Those forums seem balanced, despite the fact that they often dish out constructive criticism.
I have zero personal motivation for defending excuses for unpopular suggestions since never once have I created a suggestion thread on the Suggestions forum, unpopular or otherwise. I have read a lot of threads on here though, so I can report back what I see.
You seem to think that a guide must be either abrasive or full of back-patting/hand holding and "meh" and there are no other options.
In my opinion this guide too often refers to "dumb/bad/stupid" ideas. I mean take a good critical look at it and count how many times it uses the word dumb or a synonym like 'crap' etc. Which is a completely subjective, emotive description. It needs more logical reasoning about why some suggestions are unbalanced or unrealistic ones. Yes, it gives some logic, and makes a decent start, but it needs more of it.
I guess the general point here is to take a more distant and objective approach.
"Do this because I said so" or "Do this otherwise it's dumb" isn't exactly the best angle.
Try for more of a look at "Here's why X is a bad idea" or "Here's where Y has a logical breakdown" etc.
I use objectivism in FTC, but that also has its own problems. It's cold, formal, impersonal. While the points are there and they do strive for reasoned and articulate explanations for "why to" or "why not to", it's difficult for the average reader to identify with. The answer is, of course, to add in spikes of humor to keep the reading entertaining; but then you run the risk of losing the thread's objective quality.
Overall, I like the points that Theriasis and crew outlined. I did find that they were a bit extreme for a guide though. This adds a danger of the post becoming highly subjective and the unintentional view of demanded conformity to a single ideology. I highly doubt Theriasis or any of her co-contributors want to create a hive mind from the readers here; at the same token, some of the presentations lend false credence toward that. At least, that's what I got through some of the sections. Taking a step back and revising a few sections to be less personal and more logical is a nice middle ground. This is a hell of a lot of work to just throw away because a few minority sections are causing alarm. Perhaps instead of reinventing the wheel; soften a few of the rougher corners.
OFFICIAL POSTING/REPLYING GUIDELINES
UNOFFICIAL POSTING GUIDE (PRT)
UNOFFICIAL REPLYING GUIDE (FTC)
I have to agree.
There was a computer dating back to Adam and Eve. An apple, and a very bad one at that, it only took 1 byte to crash everything.
"If they say IT IS Opposite day .. doesn't that mean IT ISN'T?
The Opposite of Opposite day is Normal day. so in turn, there will never be an opposite day. "
yeah suggestions for new mobs that dont have effort on them make them useless,but the argument that we dont need more passive mobs or utility ones is used frequently on new mob suggestions.
thats why i am afraid of making a atmospheric mobs suggestion.
Well it actually does say straight out "this is stupid" many times. Of course it doesn't ever say "all of your ideas are dumb" that just doesn't make sense contextually, Theriasis doesn't aim to judge people themselves in the guide, just their ideas. And it wouldn't make sense to add in something about their other ideas when it's specifically targeted towards one little thing that shouldn't be done. I agree that to many, the guide may appear worse than it is. But that's just as big of a problem. Because regardless of what it actually is, if a new user comes on, sees this, and thinks, "Wow this place is really hostile I'd better leave" it doesn't matter whether it's actually hostile or not. That user left either way.
Of course there are good parts. Heck, even amazing parts. Like your overachiever's guide for example. I love that. Because it encourages good things, rather than discouraging bad things.
think he was trying to say not to write it super nice, but also not super abrasive. Your response would only really make sense if he suggested making it super nice. Which he didn't. He suggested making a balanced version. Besides, a meh guide is better than one that offends players
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People have too many triggers. It's incredibly easy to offend someone from sheer accident. Let alone from trying to explain. The only way you can go through life without offending anyone is by avoiding all human contact; and even that would offend some. It's better to make a complete guide that says things impersonally instead of setting off to offend or hit a nice impossible neutral ground.
OFFICIAL POSTING/REPLYING GUIDELINES
UNOFFICIAL POSTING GUIDE (PRT)
UNOFFICIAL REPLYING GUIDE (FTC)
I think that everyone has the right to make a bad suggestion. If they make a "plz make x" suggestion, they can grow from that. In my opinion, that's far better than never making a suggestion at all. There are no bad ideas. That should be the motto of the suggestions section. Not, here is a list of bad ideas, use them and be shamed. Back to the you have the right to make a bad suggestion, I feel like (excluding things like spam threads) once you enter a thread it is your decision to be there, and unless the thread breaks any specific rules (as in forums rules, not sticky thread 'rules') you can't be upset at the author, as you are there of your own free will. You can't get mad that you have to read his or her terrible suggestion, because if you don't want to you can leave at any time. There's nothing wrong with bad suggestions. We should just try and help people to slowly get better and better at making suggestions. Rather than prevent bad suggestions, we should try to generate more good ones. We're never going to stop low-quality suggestions. But we might be able to make the good ones better. That should be our goal. Wow, that was rambling. Good thing this isn't my thread
Even though my Join date is in 2014, I tried the demo on 8/30/2012, and bought the game two days later on 9/1/2012. So hipster
Stuff I support:
Click here to get Rick-Rolled. No seriously
Well saying "this idea is stupid" many times over might technically be impersonal since the idea in question is a hypothetical one but it's still obviously intended to get a certain reaction rather than stay neutral.
There is such a thing as stirring or trolling, and in that case one did not just happen to hit some random reader's deep seated subconscious triggers, like whoops, sorry I got you mad. It was intentional.
A guide that is formal and impersonal, could turn out to be better than one that might be turning a significant percent of people with worthy ideas away. I'm a fairly outspoken person but I think a large number of people would just go "ok, I can't see my so called dumb idea ever getting a look in here. Whatever guys, buhbuy, NEXT." With this current guide.
Ideally a potential new guide would still incorporate some inoffensive, (and perhaps even some slightly non-pc) humour without devolving into flamebait.
Sure, you can't avoid offending people. But this guide is blatantly calling things bad, and dumb, and stupid. This is basically one of the excuses from the guide that you should never use. Time to publicly shame you for using it. (sarcasm).
Even though my Join date is in 2014, I tried the demo on 8/30/2012, and bought the game two days later on 9/1/2012. So hipster
Stuff I support:
Click here to get Rick-Rolled. No seriously
I think he made it quite clear that the new guide would be a collaboration. Making yourself the author would basically make no difference other than putting your name at the front (and making you pretty responsible for future revisions I guess). He also stated that you would be included in the collaboration, so there's not much to worry about. I agree you're good at writing, I'm glad you'll be part of the new version. As for you getting offended, I don't really think that has grounds. The thread isn't getting deleted (I assume, at least if you protest that it probably won't be), just un-stickied. It's not a right to be a stickied thread, it's very much a privilege. You could get mad if they un-stickied it with you having made no revisions, but as Badprenup stated you borderline break forums rules. I don't really think there's much sense in being offended, if it's for the good of the forums. (Although I agree, get a chance to revise and everything). (also sorry if I made incorrect assumptions, I don't speak for the staff of course)
Sorry that I sorta spammed with the 4 posts in a row. Won't happen again, promise. And if I was rude in any of them I hope you can forgive me, it wasn't intentional (since some of the things I said could easily come across that way)
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ModeratorI would prefer that this guide be changed, but the powers that be seem to want a full replacement. I have no problems with you writing it either, although it sounds like it is going to be just the OP and it will be locked, so all suggested changes would need to either be posted in Forum Discussion and Info, or (preferably) sent in a PM to whoever is the author of the thread or a moderator, and then having the changes discussed as a group. The only problems I can see with it being posted by you is that if it is locked a moderator would need to be the one to edit it because to my knowledge users cannot edit posts after a thread has been locked. But that is a minor issue, we could keep a private copy for making changes and then I can just grab the entire thing and push it to the stickied thread to update it.
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Curse PremiumSo will this thread be removed?
Sometimes I think people pay more immediate attention to joke, troll, vague, and wrong section threads here instead of the actual proper suggestions.
Community: Would love this! Support!
Me: STOP IT. STOP NO. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Me: Posts*
Community: Hey look! A thread with no comments! Lets leave it empty and let it die without even giving any thoughts!
2 days later:
Me: What the... where's the thread.... oh page 10
Other notes:
> If you make a banner that doesn't link back to your thread, I'll hate you a little.
> Stop suggesting: lighted torch holding, retarded bosses, new dimensions, thirst, natural disasters.
> If you don't support a gun thread because it is "OP" and "unfitting" when it clearly isn't, (eg that musket thread), I will hunt you, and I will absorb your life essence.
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Curse PremiumI hope it will remain stickied... And hdopefully... not locked?
Sometimes I think people pay more immediate attention to joke, troll, vague, and wrong section threads here instead of the actual proper suggestions.
Community: Would love this! Support!
Me: STOP IT. STOP NO. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Me: Posts*
Community: Hey look! A thread with no comments! Lets leave it empty and let it die without even giving any thoughts!
2 days later:
Me: What the... where's the thread.... oh page 10
Other notes:
> If you make a banner that doesn't link back to your thread, I'll hate you a little.
> Stop suggesting: lighted torch holding, retarded bosses, new dimensions, thirst, natural disasters.
> If you don't support a gun thread because it is "OP" and "unfitting" when it clearly isn't, (eg that musket thread), I will hunt you, and I will absorb your life essence.
Theres no point in having two threads that have the same exact purpose. So most likely, this thread will be locked as much to our disapproval.