Do the work that they were incapable of doing, this improves the forum as mods are able to close the redundant thread, improves community as the OP must now support the referenced topic and... most importantly... lowers my blood pressure.
Do the work that they were incapable of doing, this improves the forum as mods are able to close the redundant thread, improves community as the OP must now support the referenced topic and... most importantly... lowers my blood pressure.
I am not finding anything through a quick search, but if you can provide me with a link I will look into it. The closest I have found is Yoshi saying something somewhat similar in another thread about a month ago, but much shorter, in much less detail, and on one specific problem with some of the users in here.
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I have edited and created a spelling and grammar section; a small inclusion like original seemed a bit rushed and short sighted, so I wanted to improve that. I was also asked to write something about it from a few members and got a hint or two from members here about that.
I mean theres nothing worse than a person picking up on grammar / spelling , whilst the post remains more than legible , and completely missing the entire point of it.
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TOPIC: I have referenced the guide on "how to make a suggestion", I would like to post it here, if acceptable.
If necesssary, I'll edit and tweak the work so it flows informationally accurate and along the same format as this current thread.
This requires input from forum members and staff, I will not post so unless I get positive feedback on this topic. Thanks.
Post is in a spoiler below.
MAKING A SUGGESTION
1) Premise and Searching
When creating a suggestion, it is important to remember that the suggestion is your brainchild, your idea, your thought! You more than likely want to ensure that you appear rational, educated, and interested in the opinion of others. You will need to be able to take hostile feedback and genuine criticism while avoiding the trappings of a petulant child. Yes, this means that you'll go in knowing that your article will be trolled and being mature enough to handle the criticism.
Minecraft, as you may already know; is a globally popular video game. Its forums are quite populated as well, this includes the suggestions forum. The unfortunate news is, that with the sheer volume of new one-time faces, it is approaching impossible for a unique suggestion to appear. The rafters are filling with repeated suggestions; and the thousands of pages lay buried as a hallowed cemetary, holding the unfortunate victims of circumstance. Because of this, current forum members, myself included, recommend that all posters use search before posting their suggestion.
2) Championing
It is unavoidable, on occasion, to find nothing through consecutive searches and feel it safe to post a "unique" suggestion only to find that it has INDEED been suggested before. Often, the referred suggestion is poorly stated, unreasonable, or broken. When you encounter a setting such as that, do not lose faith, bolster yourself.
If you spent 15~20 minutes to write your suggestion only to find some moron spent 3 seconds about a month ago on his. Yours clearly has more weight. CHAMPION your thread. Post on that loser's thread, referring everyone to your thread. If possible, get a mod to close that inferior thread and make your thread the "OFFICIAL" thread for that suggestion. As a champion, refer all others to your thread; if a new thread is started which is the same as yours, refer them to your article and report their thread as redundant (provide a link to your thread in your report AND reply). Do your best to ensure that your idea is well recieved and garners support.
AHEM!!!
Also take into consideration to think of other well-versed members as well. If you spent 15~20 minutes writing an article, and you notice another poster with a well-written and well-described article with considerable input of time as well; it would be disasterous to wage a war with this other person claiming that your thread is more official than theirs.
Private message the person and come up to a mutually acceptable result. This usually means to get the threads merged or one helps out the other. If their thread's existed for a while and has significant feedback, champion their thread! Make their thread your own. Help the other poster, back him up. It is still YOUR idea, nevermind that someone else shares it and has come up with it first. If you LIKE an idea, it doesn't matter WHO comes up with it, right? Right!
3) Solidarity and the power of Voice
What it comes down to is SOLIDARITY. If your suggestion is worth posting, it is worth solidifying. What better way than for strong intelligent individuals to build the suggestion from a dirt hovel to a magnificient castle? You can't get solidarity from making 300 suggestions that all say the same thing. Sure, there's popularity, but there is no voice; there is no power. No one will listen to you if you don't have likeminded individuals backing you up.
I've seen far too many people say that "more suggestions show Notch that an idea is popular" which sounds reasonable until the logic hits like a ton of bricks. Even if there's 300 threads for guns, they're not all going to be on a single page. They'll be spread throughout the 300 threads related to redstone, obsidian tools, backpacks, wolves, maps, armor tiers, pistons, etc. A single thread with 30+ pages shows solidarity and support far better than 30 threads about the same thing.
4) How should I write my suggestions?
Here's a good template:
The thread's subject head should always be a small sentence to help Notch or the reader quickly identify what the subject is about. Notch used the example: "Wolves should howl at the moon."
The body is involving and invasive, I'll break it down as best I can. I would say to have AT LEAST these parts. It would be preferable to have far more than what is prescribed though.
A) Introduction
The introduction is a short greeting of self or a quick rhetorical question; "Do you find it odd that wolves don't howl at the moon to signify night?"
The introduction should also include WHY you propose the suggestion, what purposes it can serve, and how you believe it will improve the game, "I think they should howl; it gives the player a clear warning of night. This can be very useful when in a cave so you know to get ready for a fight."
:cool.gif: Body
The body should always announce major points in detail. A good rule of thumb is it answer the 5 questions. Who, what, when, where, why? Ask these repeatedly toward different aspects of your suggestion. Why are the wolves howling? When do they howl? Why is this necessary? How far will the player hear the howl? What is the crafting recipe?
Come up with the answers. Invariably these answers will open more questions. Answer these, and keep repeating until your suggestion is fully fleshed out (to the best of your ability)
Ask more open ended "Do wolves have a howling animation?", "Can wolves attack while howling?", "Will wolves howl at a new moon?", "Will a wolf howl if alone?", again answer the questions, question the answers, then answer those questions. When done, you'll have a solid 3 or so paragraphs, possibly more.
C) Pros and Cons
What are the positive and negative effects. Make sure you get feedback from other posters and edit your op with the information you gather. Use this to strengthen or adapt your suggestion to a much more conducive system. This allows you to remove the cons and strengthen the pros (which will improve the success of the suggestion).
D) Recap and Conclusion
Restate the topic and body of the suggestion in 1 sentence, "I think that having wolves howl at the moon will be a great benefit to the players because it improves immersion, helps the player determine when it becomes night, and makes wolves look even cooler!"
Restate the pros and cons in a single sentence, "While I can see a few problems with this suggestion, I definitely feel there are more pros than cons and am interested in seeing this as a vanilla inclusion toward minecraft."
Make a few closing remarks, anything will work, "I am open to criticism to help improve the idea, I thank you for your time and hope to see some feedback!"
AND YOUR DONE... well... almost.
4a) You see, you cannot forget this. Even the brightest and well-educated can make a mistake. Some of us can't spell. It is important to use spell check and proofread to ensure that the material is truly worth reading.
5) RECEPTION
Not going to lie here, some ideas a better recieved than others. The suggested method listed above is intended to polarize your audience. Your audience is either going to be completely on-board with the idea or will reject it outright. This is actually desirable. You want true opinions and true commitments, "Meh" and "It's alright" are the bane of suggestors as it does nothing to improve the suggestion.
While shopping for an engagement ring, I had narrowed down the ring to one of two designs. When I asked a friend for help deciding , he told me that either ring looked good. Do you think this brought me closer to finding the engagement ring? I don't think I could have hit him hard enough when I got the response. While a suggestion is far more trivial than a marraige proposal, I hope you can see how it would be a boiling annoyance to get inept responses when you want solid feedback.
As a general rule, the more well-written an article is, the less likely the article is to be flamed. I've actually seen well-made gun suggestions which did not get outright flamed.
There are many tricks to writing a good suggestion, this is a lenghty comprehensive guide on how to write a suggestion; however, I would not strand you on your own.
If you ever have any questions about writing a suggestion, please feel free to private message me and I'll be happy to assist you in any way I can.
Made a new section to Making a suggestion, it's long and I'll shorten it eventually; but here it is without the shortening.
2) Formatting
As important as the idea, formatting is how the idea is presented. This is what determines whether a suggestion really is good or not.
Instrumentally, formatting is separating text into paragraphs or morsels so that it is easy to digest. Formatting is using sound grammar and spelling. Formatting is organizing thoughts into solid ideas.
Here's how you do so step by step.
A: Creating paragraphs
A standard human has the attention span of 7 minutes when watching TV. A standard human has the attention span of 4 minutes when reading. Keep each paragraph short and sweet. 4 or 5 sentences per paragraph is ideal.
A paragraph is defined by having a single focus for its contained sentences, so make sure all sentences in the paragraph have a specific focus.
B: Grammar
While you don't have to be an English teacher or paragon of the English language; it is important that each of your sentence contains: a subject, a predicate, a delimiter. Or, in human terms: a noun, a verb, and punctuation. Ideally, you'll also have direct objects (or indirect objects), subordinating clauses, conjunctions, prepositions, adjectives, and adverbs following decent grammatical stricture.
Most members do not care about comma splice errors, commonly misspelled words, dangling participle or other difficult grammar problems. However you may want to pay particular attention to run-on sentences and fragments. These are treacherous and stick out like a sore thumb. You'll never see them in my
C: Organizing
A bane for many writers is actually organizing their thoughts. They have written all sorts of detail, but the detail is scattered like the seeds of a dandelion. How do you organize that?
It is simple. Do not make paragraphs... Yet...
You'll want to take each sentence.
You'll then want to double space between each sentence.
You'll then want to select each sentence.
You'll then want to cut them and paste them in the order you think best fits.
You'll then want to delete all of the double spaces and compact the sentences into paragraphs. This is the simplest way I can explain it while remaining completely effective.
I don't think we need "How to make a suggestion" in this thread, as that would shift it's topic off, and make it even more to indulge. You could make a new thread, though.
Is it wrong to say that I love you for making this wonderful thread...
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I will admit I did not read the WHOLE thread but what I did read was amazingly well written and I agree with all of it... Time to go back and read the rest!
Yes, but because you are providing another thread it is ok.
Do the work that they were incapable of doing, this improves the forum as mods are able to close the redundant thread, improves community as the OP must now support the referenced topic and... most importantly... lowers my blood pressure.
OFFICIAL POSTING/REPLYING GUIDELINES
UNOFFICIAL POSTING GUIDE (PRT)
UNOFFICIAL REPLYING GUIDE (FTC)
Maybe you should just try eating less bacon...
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OT: Good work on the guide so far Yoshi.
It's hard to follow your dreams when you run from your nightmares. --
I am not finding anything through a quick search, but if you can provide me with a link I will look into it. The closest I have found is Yoshi saying something somewhat similar in another thread about a month ago, but much shorter, in much less detail, and on one specific problem with some of the users in here.
It's hard to follow your dreams when you run from your nightmares. --
OFFICIAL POSTING/REPLYING GUIDELINES
UNOFFICIAL POSTING GUIDE (PRT)
UNOFFICIAL REPLYING GUIDE (FTC)
YouTube should be capitalized--TWICE, lrn2spell.
Also TL;DR.
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I didn't even see his text till you mentioned it.
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DOwn With Only 2 Lined of Text and Only 1 Image per Sig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean theres nothing worse than a person picking up on grammar / spelling , whilst the post remains more than legible , and completely missing the entire point of it.
You stated most, let me know where I missed the mark so I can get your personal rating to "all".
Not really required, but I'd like to know that I cover all the bases.
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ANCHORS AWEIGH!!!
TOPIC: I have referenced the guide on "how to make a suggestion", I would like to post it here, if acceptable.
If necesssary, I'll edit and tweak the work so it flows informationally accurate and along the same format as this current thread.
This requires input from forum members and staff, I will not post so unless I get positive feedback on this topic. Thanks.
Post is in a spoiler below.
MAKING A SUGGESTION
Minecraft, as you may already know; is a globally popular video game. Its forums are quite populated as well, this includes the suggestions forum. The unfortunate news is, that with the sheer volume of new one-time faces, it is approaching impossible for a unique suggestion to appear. The rafters are filling with repeated suggestions; and the thousands of pages lay buried as a hallowed cemetary, holding the unfortunate victims of circumstance. Because of this, current forum members, myself included, recommend that all posters use search before posting their suggestion.
If you spent 15~20 minutes to write your suggestion only to find some moron spent 3 seconds about a month ago on his. Yours clearly has more weight. CHAMPION your thread. Post on that loser's thread, referring everyone to your thread. If possible, get a mod to close that inferior thread and make your thread the "OFFICIAL" thread for that suggestion. As a champion, refer all others to your thread; if a new thread is started which is the same as yours, refer them to your article and report their thread as redundant (provide a link to your thread in your report AND reply). Do your best to ensure that your idea is well recieved and garners support.
AHEM!!!
Also take into consideration to think of other well-versed members as well. If you spent 15~20 minutes writing an article, and you notice another poster with a well-written and well-described article with considerable input of time as well; it would be disasterous to wage a war with this other person claiming that your thread is more official than theirs.
Private message the person and come up to a mutually acceptable result. This usually means to get the threads merged or one helps out the other. If their thread's existed for a while and has significant feedback, champion their thread! Make their thread your own. Help the other poster, back him up. It is still YOUR idea, nevermind that someone else shares it and has come up with it first. If you LIKE an idea, it doesn't matter WHO comes up with it, right? Right!
I've seen far too many people say that "more suggestions show Notch that an idea is popular" which sounds reasonable until the logic hits like a ton of bricks. Even if there's 300 threads for guns, they're not all going to be on a single page. They'll be spread throughout the 300 threads related to redstone, obsidian tools, backpacks, wolves, maps, armor tiers, pistons, etc. A single thread with 30+ pages shows solidarity and support far better than 30 threads about the same thing.
Here's a good template:
The thread's subject head should always be a small sentence to help Notch or the reader quickly identify what the subject is about. Notch used the example: "Wolves should howl at the moon."
The body is involving and invasive, I'll break it down as best I can. I would say to have AT LEAST these parts. It would be preferable to have far more than what is prescribed though.
A) Introduction
The introduction is a short greeting of self or a quick rhetorical question; "Do you find it odd that wolves don't howl at the moon to signify night?"
The introduction should also include WHY you propose the suggestion, what purposes it can serve, and how you believe it will improve the game, "I think they should howl; it gives the player a clear warning of night. This can be very useful when in a cave so you know to get ready for a fight."
:cool.gif: Body
The body should always announce major points in detail. A good rule of thumb is it answer the 5 questions. Who, what, when, where, why? Ask these repeatedly toward different aspects of your suggestion. Why are the wolves howling? When do they howl? Why is this necessary? How far will the player hear the howl? What is the crafting recipe?
Come up with the answers. Invariably these answers will open more questions. Answer these, and keep repeating until your suggestion is fully fleshed out (to the best of your ability)
Ask more open ended "Do wolves have a howling animation?", "Can wolves attack while howling?", "Will wolves howl at a new moon?", "Will a wolf howl if alone?", again answer the questions, question the answers, then answer those questions. When done, you'll have a solid 3 or so paragraphs, possibly more.
C) Pros and Cons
What are the positive and negative effects. Make sure you get feedback from other posters and edit your op with the information you gather. Use this to strengthen or adapt your suggestion to a much more conducive system. This allows you to remove the cons and strengthen the pros (which will improve the success of the suggestion).
D) Recap and Conclusion
Restate the topic and body of the suggestion in 1 sentence, "I think that having wolves howl at the moon will be a great benefit to the players because it improves immersion, helps the player determine when it becomes night, and makes wolves look even cooler!"
Restate the pros and cons in a single sentence, "While I can see a few problems with this suggestion, I definitely feel there are more pros than cons and am interested in seeing this as a vanilla inclusion toward minecraft."
Make a few closing remarks, anything will work, "I am open to criticism to help improve the idea, I thank you for your time and hope to see some feedback!"
AND YOUR DONE... well... almost.
4a) You see, you cannot forget this. Even the brightest and well-educated can make a mistake. Some of us can't spell. It is important to use spell check and proofread to ensure that the material is truly worth reading.
While shopping for an engagement ring, I had narrowed down the ring to one of two designs. When I asked a friend for help deciding , he told me that either ring looked good. Do you think this brought me closer to finding the engagement ring? I don't think I could have hit him hard enough when I got the response. While a suggestion is far more trivial than a marraige proposal, I hope you can see how it would be a boiling annoyance to get inept responses when you want solid feedback.
As a general rule, the more well-written an article is, the less likely the article is to be flamed. I've actually seen well-made gun suggestions which did not get outright flamed.
There are many tricks to writing a good suggestion, this is a lenghty comprehensive guide on how to write a suggestion; however, I would not strand you on your own.
If you ever have any questions about writing a suggestion, please feel free to private message me and I'll be happy to assist you in any way I can.
OFFICIAL POSTING/REPLYING GUIDELINES
UNOFFICIAL POSTING GUIDE (PRT)
UNOFFICIAL REPLYING GUIDE (FTC)
Instrumentally, formatting is separating text into paragraphs or morsels so that it is easy to digest. Formatting is using sound grammar and spelling. Formatting is organizing thoughts into solid ideas.
Here's how you do so step by step.
A: Creating paragraphs
A standard human has the attention span of 7 minutes when watching TV. A standard human has the attention span of 4 minutes when reading. Keep each paragraph short and sweet. 4 or 5 sentences per paragraph is ideal.
A paragraph is defined by having a single focus for its contained sentences, so make sure all sentences in the paragraph have a specific focus.
B: Grammar
While you don't have to be an English teacher or paragon of the English language; it is important that each of your sentence contains: a subject, a predicate, a delimiter. Or, in human terms: a noun, a verb, and punctuation. Ideally, you'll also have direct objects (or indirect objects), subordinating clauses, conjunctions, prepositions, adjectives, and adverbs following decent grammatical stricture.
Most members do not care about comma splice errors, commonly misspelled words, dangling participle or other difficult grammar problems. However you may want to pay particular attention to run-on sentences and fragments. These are treacherous and stick out like a sore thumb. You'll never see them in my
C: Organizing
A bane for many writers is actually organizing their thoughts. They have written all sorts of detail, but the detail is scattered like the seeds of a dandelion. How do you organize that?
It is simple. Do not make paragraphs... Yet...
You'll want to take each sentence.
You'll then want to double space between each sentence.
You'll then want to select each sentence.
You'll then want to cut them and paste them in the order you think best fits.
You'll then want to delete all of the double spaces and compact the sentences into paragraphs. This is the simplest way I can explain it while remaining completely effective.
OFFICIAL POSTING/REPLYING GUIDELINES
UNOFFICIAL POSTING GUIDE (PRT)
UNOFFICIAL REPLYING GUIDE (FTC)
I don't want to force my opinion too strongly and I feel that it already has a good home.
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