I've made a flying machine that doesn't use a pre made track. My earlier post shows how it works. I have tried it with sticky pistons, thinking that th piston would pull itself into the block after the power is removed, but it doesn't.
I think my design is the first on this thread that is powered by pistons, but DOESN'T NEED A TRACK!
This is very close to a break-through, if only sticky pistons could pull their bodies in to where their heads are...
A bit late, RH made the first version of the track free engine, I have made a design that both can use a track to travel at high speeds and it turns without help, and a version that uses two buttons and a solid block to travel two blocks(The fastest I believe on this thread for piston engines.)You are not the first to make the engine without a track.
When I said it was impossible, I meant that it was impossible to make it fly all on its own.
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Somewhere in this thread you guys wanted a flying machine powered by a redstone torch, so I made a design that uses a redstone torch.
It has this front cross section
This is the view looking down
= normal piston
=sticky piston
How to drive
It takes 5 simple moves to move this ship 1 block
1. place dirt
2. place a redstone torch on the side on the dirt block (you can right click on a normal piston, it will autoattatch to the dirt block)
= normal piston head
3. remove redstone torch
4. place redstone torch on the side on the dirt block (you can right click on a sticky piston, it will autoattatch to the dirt block)
=sticky piston head
5.remove dirt block
And thats it. It should have full resource recoverability. I can get some good speed going with this design. Also, a fleet of 3 of these can be created, and one man standing in the center one can can drive all 3 of them with ease (some resources will be dropped). And the best part of using 3 of them, one man can quickly create a TNT cannon on the airship in any direction!
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Please look again, i posted a screen shot of a tack with a double sticky piston engine that when it hits a wall it uses one movement to reverse its direction, without using a track it would require a one tick pulse to both pistons at the same time, possibly with a lever.
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I suppose you know that you can power a piston by powering a block diagonally adjacent, but it won't extend until you update it, and I never said that sponge solve the problem, but they maybe allow to build bigger system.
I believe I inadvertently used this diagonal power glitch to make my redstone based airship bigger then normal. My ship is a few posts above.
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Somewhere in this thread you guys wanted a flying machine powered by a redstone torch, so I made a design that uses a redstone torch.
It has this front cross section
This is the view looking down
= normal piston
=sticky piston
How to drive
Spoiler
It takes 5 simple moves to move this ship 1 block
1. place dirt
2. place a redstone torch on the side on the dirt block (you can right click on a normal piston, it will autoattatch to the dirt block)
= normal piston head
3. remove redstone torch
4. place redstone torch on the side on the dirt block (you can right click on a sticky piston, it will autoattatch to the dirt block)
=sticky piston head
5.remove dirt block
And thats it. It should have full resource recoverability. I can get some good speed going with this design. Also, a fleet of 3 of these can be created, and one man standing in the center one can can drive all 3 of them with ease (some resources will be dropped). And the best part of using 3 of them, one man can quickly create a TNT cannon on the airship in any direction!
That's a pretty cool design; so far I like it better than the barge.
It should be noted that the machine can be 4 high rather than 3, as a torch will power to pistons below it rather than 1.
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In a while I'm going to update the OP with a compendium of what's known, as some ideas are getting repeated, and certain designs are difficult to locate.
Further, I would like to begin efforts on a design that reduces player input to a single action. A single input flying machine would be very close to automatic, and would be the first truly useful vehicle.
I'm thinking that a detector rail and minecart, combined with the nature of torch placement, would be enough to move forward while simply holding down the right mouse button.
The other issue is falling through it.. since moving a block under you can cause you to fall through it unless your on the edge of two blocks.
You can solve that with two stairs facing each other, You stand in the middle of them, which will have a groove for you to be in. You just replace two glass on the bottom, problem solved. Also, we could make some kind of warning light somewhere (but we'd have to find a way to stop redstone torches from breaking when pushed. Perhaps push them from back?)
I think we have done it and solved the problem. We may have done it. If someone could build the design and submit a save file or a video that would be GREAT!
Impossible much? How are we supposed to make something move with redstone if there is nothing to place the redstone on? Also, that monorail is pretty slow.
its not that there's no blocks to place redstone. the problem is that the redstone will break off when the blocks move.
I still think my device is better, it uses two buttons and a solid block to move two spaces. you place a block on the sticky piston Then put a button facing the plain piston,(the pistons should be one air block apart for best movement) press the button twice, you move a block. place a button facing the sticky piston and press it, then the one on the back, two blocks moved.
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I still think my device is better, it uses two buttons and a solid block to move two spaces. you place a block on the sticky piston Then put a button facing the plain piston,(the pistons should be one air block apart for best movement) press the button twice, you move a block. place a button facing the sticky piston and press it, then the one on the back, two blocks moved.
I'm sorry, but levers can be flicked faster and you only need one. Plus we were looking for a ghast proof one, we had already come up with an efficient regular one. But thanks for the effort, and like with cars, some people prefer different kinds of cars than the most preferred car. I'm sure some people think yours is better.
I'm sorry, but levers can be flicked faster and you only need one. Plus we were looking for a ghast proof one, we had already come up with an efficient regular one. But thanks for the effort, and like with cars, some people prefer different kinds of cars than the most preferred car. I'm sure some people think yours is better.
My design moves twice as fast as the lever design and we aren't looking for a ghast proof version, we're looking for a way to make it automated, or as close as possible. my design moves one block in the first two steps, another the second.
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My design moves twice as fast as the lever design and we aren't looking for a ghast proof version, we're looking for a way to make it automated, or as close as possible. my design moves one block in the first two steps, another the second.
I've tried searching through the thread (and even just by searching your posts) but can't find the post where you explain your design. Can you link to it or post it again?
I've tried searching through the thread (and even just by searching your posts) but can't find the post where you explain your design. Can you link to it or post it again?
I still think my device is better, it uses two buttons and a solid block to move two spaces. you place a block on the sticky piston Then put a button facing the plain piston,(the pistons should be one air block apart for best movement) press the button twice, you move a block. place a button facing the sticky piston and press it, then the one on the back, two blocks moved.
Interesting. Levers work too, but you put them in a novel new spot. I counted the moves it takes to move 2 blocks, starting from when the normal piston and sticky piston are one square away.
1. place block on sticky piston
2. place lever #1 on block (on the face facing the normal pistons)
3. flip lever #1 on
4. flip lever #1 off
5. flip lever #1 on
6. flip lever #1 off
7. place lever #2 on block (on the face facing the sticky pistons)
8. flip lever #2 on
9. flip lever #2 off
10. flip lever #1 on
11. destroy block
So a total of 11 moves are required to move 2 spaces.
That is one more move than my design. Also, I am unsure how to collect the lever/button at the end of the ship that is hanging off once you break the block. This may improve with practice, but I fell off the ship a lot and placing the levers/buttons was a little more of a hassle then placing redstone torches.
However, my design has to break 2 blocks every 2 spaces while your design only has to break 1 block every 2 spaces so your design saves on a lot of time. If you don't mind loosing levers or buttons, your design may be the fastest one yet!
I learned that if there’s a loophole, someone’s going to drive a truck through it, and the people in the truck will get paid better than the people under it. –Scott Adams
I suppose you know that you can power a piston by powering a block diagonally adjacent, but it won't extend until you update it, and I never said that sponge solve the problem, but they maybe allow to build bigger system.
Yes, but a pressure plate isn't self-triggering (or pushable) now is it? :wink.gif:
Defeats the purpose of making an automatic flying machine.
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A bit late, RH made the first version of the track free engine, I have made a design that both can use a track to travel at high speeds and it turns without help, and a version that uses two buttons and a solid block to travel two blocks(The fastest I believe on this thread for piston engines.)You are not the first to make the engine without a track.
When I said it was impossible, I meant that it was impossible to make it fly all on its own.
A team of highly trained monkeys has been sent to dispatch of your dead body.
It has this front cross section
This is the view looking down
= normal piston
=sticky piston
How to drive
1. place dirt
2. place a redstone torch on the side on the dirt block (you can right click on a normal piston, it will autoattatch to the dirt block)
= normal piston head
3. remove redstone torch
4. place redstone torch on the side on the dirt block (you can right click on a sticky piston, it will autoattatch to the dirt block)
=sticky piston head
5.remove dirt block
And thats it. It should have full resource recoverability. I can get some good speed going with this design. Also, a fleet of 3 of these can be created, and one man standing in the center one can can drive all 3 of them with ease (some resources will be dropped). And the best part of using 3 of them, one man can quickly create a TNT cannon on the airship in any direction!
I learned that if there’s a loophole, someone’s going to drive a truck through it, and the people in the truck will get paid better than the people under it. –Scott Adams
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You have not discovered anything. That's how piston physics works.
Also, doesn't help solve the primary issue of making a fully automated flying machine.
And what, pray tell, is actually supplying the redstone current?
Because the issue is not with updating the piston from in front, but POWERING it from the front.
It is possible to power it from the front, it just requires a block and a pressure plate., it creates a half tick that pushes the block forward.
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I believe I inadvertently used this diagonal power glitch to make my redstone based airship bigger then normal. My ship is a few posts above.
I learned that if there’s a loophole, someone’s going to drive a truck through it, and the people in the truck will get paid better than the people under it. –Scott Adams
That's a pretty cool design; so far I like it better than the barge.
It should be noted that the machine can be 4 high rather than 3, as a torch will power to pistons below it rather than 1.
===========================
In a while I'm going to update the OP with a compendium of what's known, as some ideas are getting repeated, and certain designs are difficult to locate.
Further, I would like to begin efforts on a design that reduces player input to a single action. A single input flying machine would be very close to automatic, and would be the first truly useful vehicle.
I'm thinking that a detector rail and minecart, combined with the nature of torch placement, would be enough to move forward while simply holding down the right mouse button.
You can solve that with two stairs facing each other, You stand in the middle of them, which will have a groove for you to be in. You just replace two glass on the bottom, problem solved. Also, we could make some kind of warning light somewhere (but we'd have to find a way to stop redstone torches from breaking when pushed. Perhaps push them from back?)
Further, most servers don't have any sort of plugins that do this anyways. Vanilla minecraft only please :happy.gif:
its not that there's no blocks to place redstone. the problem is that the redstone will break off when the blocks move.
A team of highly trained monkeys has been sent to dispatch of your dead body.
I'm sorry, but levers can be flicked faster and you only need one. Plus we were looking for a ghast proof one, we had already come up with an efficient regular one. But thanks for the effort, and like with cars, some people prefer different kinds of cars than the most preferred car. I'm sure some people think yours is better.
My design moves twice as fast as the lever design and we aren't looking for a ghast proof version, we're looking for a way to make it automated, or as close as possible. my design moves one block in the first two steps, another the second.
A team of highly trained monkeys has been sent to dispatch of your dead body.
I've tried searching through the thread (and even just by searching your posts) but can't find the post where you explain your design. Can you link to it or post it again?
On this page, under the big creepers first post
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Interesting. Levers work too, but you put them in a novel new spot. I counted the moves it takes to move 2 blocks, starting from when the normal piston and sticky piston are one square away.
1. place block on sticky piston
2. place lever #1 on block (on the face facing the normal pistons)
3. flip lever #1 on
4. flip lever #1 off
5. flip lever #1 on
6. flip lever #1 off
7. place lever #2 on block (on the face facing the sticky pistons)
8. flip lever #2 on
9. flip lever #2 off
10. flip lever #1 on
11. destroy block
So a total of 11 moves are required to move 2 spaces.
That is one more move than my design. Also, I am unsure how to collect the lever/button at the end of the ship that is hanging off once you break the block. This may improve with practice, but I fell off the ship a lot and placing the levers/buttons was a little more of a hassle then placing redstone torches.
However, my design has to break 2 blocks every 2 spaces while your design only has to break 1 block every 2 spaces so your design saves on a lot of time. If you don't mind loosing levers or buttons, your design may be the fastest one yet!
I learned that if there’s a loophole, someone’s going to drive a truck through it, and the people in the truck will get paid better than the people under it. –Scott Adams
Yes, but a pressure plate isn't self-triggering (or pushable) now is it? :wink.gif:
Defeats the purpose of making an automatic flying machine.
A team of highly trained monkeys has been sent to dispatch of your dead body.