I like it and I think it is a very good idea. Why? Because it makes Minecraft more realistic. How? In real life you can't just put something on plants and fully grow them in just a second.
You are right, but Minecraft shouldn't be too realistic. You can't smelt ores within a few seconds in real life, nor can you mine ores that fast, and torches don't last forever, and Creepers don't even exist. If Minecraft were to be that realistic, would you think that it would be better?
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I like it. It makes Minecraft more challenging and realistic.
But the bad thing is that it make skeleton almost useless.
I strongly disagree. Realism is not a defining factor in what makes a game fun. The bonemeal "nerf" made the game more realistic, yes, but it makes the job more difficult for mapmakers, leaves the community divided, and made it more difficult to get food in-game. Not to mention, it was already difficult to get food, because every enemy takes three or four hits with the strongest sword in the game, and killing around 15 skeletons to get you 21 bonemeal to get A SINGLE BREAD is hardly worth it. Do you see the steps Mojang is taking to make getting food harder? Increased enemy health, animal persistence, fishing rod durability, and now this! This update will make or break the game for some people. For most people, it just ruins the whole experience. Sure, some people like the later updates- the hunger meter, animal persistence, and the bonemeal "nerf", and I'm not here to pick on anyone. But, for most people, they'd rather download an "old bonemeal mod" than put up with this.
Sorry to necro, I've been playing modded 1.4.6 for a good while, every time I mod I usually remove bonemeal because killing one skeleton or finding a bone on the ground just makes food flow out of the ground and it was getting a little meh.
Imo they should nerf it a tad more, 2-use to grow everything is still a little quick considering bones are everywhere and they give you multiple meal. I mean really, wheat is usually the first consistent food source and the old bonemeal was just a snap of the fingers.
I don't like it very much. While bonemeal was OP, I don't think it should have been nerfed this much. I usually use bonemeal on my wheat farm if I'm next to starving and need bread fast. That is ruined and now it's useless to me.
I think it was a change for the good. I think the original was way to op. Personally i only use bonemeal to get started. I think it challenges the player to really try, not just kill one skeleton go back in the house then have 2 loaf's of bread. For tree's it was so OP a forest in about 3 minuets sets you for the WHOLE game.
Dude, I like you and all, but did you really need to necro this awful thread to suggest a stronger nerf?
The nerf was stupid. Wheat is so ridiculously easy to farm, and all you need to do is AFK and wait for it to grow. After the first 5 minutes of gameplay, the only thing I ever used bonemeal for was growing trees for aesthetic purposes. Bonemeal NEVER gave you anything you couldn't get just by being AFK for several minutes.
Personally, I'd rather be able to play the game and not have to just "afk to wait for my food to grow" so I can keep playing. That's not "challenge," that's just stupid. Bonemeal gives us an option to avoid that. It didn't need to be nerfed, but it was, so whatever. There's certainly no need to nerf it MORE.
Dude, I like you and all, but did you really need to necro this awful thread to suggest a stronger nerf?
The nerf was stupid. Wheat is so ridiculously easy to farm, and all you need to do is AFK and wait for it to grow. After the first 5 minutes of gameplay, the only thing I ever used bonemeal for was growing trees for aesthetic purposes. Bonemeal NEVER gave you anything you couldn't get just by being AFK for several minutes.
Personally, I'd rather be able to play the game and not have to just "afk to wait for my food to grow" so I can keep playing. That's not "challenge," that's just stupid. Bonemeal gives us an option to avoid that. It didn't need to be nerfed, but it was, so whatever. There's certainly no need to nerf it MORE.
Just stop, please.
Well, everything should cost something, farming typically costs time. For the most part you don't really need to wait for them to grow at all because you could just collect a couple bones and.. well I guess what made bonemeal not useful was that you had to manually use it then hit the plant to collect it.
I know food for the most part is easy to get but I just found it lame that I could make a tiny farm, go grab the fat stack of bones and use them instead of going ahead and making a bigger farm. It's kind of a stupid thing for me to complain about but it did bother me a lot. lol
I like the way it turned out. You still have to wait for farms to grow, just not as long. This also gives you, or at least me, a reason to build more. More farms, more storage, maybe redstone devices. It also makes mob hunting a little more necessary, which makes armor and weapons more so, and maybe enchantments.
Pretty much it makes Mining and Crafting more important. Which is, you know, kind of the point of this whole thing.
Ryo, shame on you. Normally i like you but necroing a thread so old and full of drama to boot.
But honestly foods value is subjective. A guy with too much resources will either not harvest / build chests for food they cant eat. Tons of it and worth less n less the more he gets. But a starving guy with nowhere to go for food would easily trade diamonds for food, if he had diamonds and no food source.
This issue turns into this: which is worse? A guy noticing wheat is fertilized in an unrealistic way? Or people starving over a nerf?...
Of course people advocating the nerf essentially called anyone complaining of it a noob, so it was pretty much a backnforth argument going nowhere. They refused to compromise.
Not saying you are like that ryo but yeah... bad thread to dig up.
I think it needed the nerf. It was to OP, and people who played before it happened might hate it, though newer players will not care.
Also add a poll, and change it to the discussion section, they nerfed it last year.
Either turn down particles or I think if you use optifine you can turn just them off
You are right, but Minecraft shouldn't be too realistic. You can't smelt ores within a few seconds in real life, nor can you mine ores that fast, and torches don't last forever, and Creepers don't even exist. If Minecraft were to be that realistic, would you think that it would be better?
I strongly disagree. Realism is not a defining factor in what makes a game fun. The bonemeal "nerf" made the game more realistic, yes, but it makes the job more difficult for mapmakers, leaves the community divided, and made it more difficult to get food in-game. Not to mention, it was already difficult to get food, because every enemy takes three or four hits with the strongest sword in the game, and killing around 15 skeletons to get you 21 bonemeal to get A SINGLE BREAD is hardly worth it. Do you see the steps Mojang is taking to make getting food harder? Increased enemy health, animal persistence, fishing rod durability, and now this! This update will make or break the game for some people. For most people, it just ruins the whole experience. Sure, some people like the later updates- the hunger meter, animal persistence, and the bonemeal "nerf", and I'm not here to pick on anyone. But, for most people, they'd rather download an "old bonemeal mod" than put up with this.
Imo they should nerf it a tad more, 2-use to grow everything is still a little quick considering bones are everywhere and they give you multiple meal. I mean really, wheat is usually the first consistent food source and the old bonemeal was just a snap of the fingers.
Lots of positive things from nerfing bonemeal.
So I Approve!
Dude, I like you and all, but did you really need to necro this awful thread to suggest a stronger nerf?
The nerf was stupid. Wheat is so ridiculously easy to farm, and all you need to do is AFK and wait for it to grow. After the first 5 minutes of gameplay, the only thing I ever used bonemeal for was growing trees for aesthetic purposes. Bonemeal NEVER gave you anything you couldn't get just by being AFK for several minutes.
Personally, I'd rather be able to play the game and not have to just "afk to wait for my food to grow" so I can keep playing. That's not "challenge," that's just stupid. Bonemeal gives us an option to avoid that. It didn't need to be nerfed, but it was, so whatever. There's certainly no need to nerf it MORE.
Just stop, please.
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I know food for the most part is easy to get but I just found it lame that I could make a tiny farm, go grab the fat stack of bones and use them instead of going ahead and making a bigger farm. It's kind of a stupid thing for me to complain about but it did bother me a lot. lol
Pretty much it makes Mining and Crafting more important. Which is, you know, kind of the point of this whole thing.
Well, yeah, but I was remembering the Beta days before carrots and potatoes and watermelons.
Mostly moved on. May check back a few times a year.
But honestly foods value is subjective. A guy with too much resources will either not harvest / build chests for food they cant eat. Tons of it and worth less n less the more he gets. But a starving guy with nowhere to go for food would easily trade diamonds for food, if he had diamonds and no food source.
This issue turns into this: which is worse? A guy noticing wheat is fertilized in an unrealistic way? Or people starving over a nerf?...
Of course people advocating the nerf essentially called anyone complaining of it a noob, so it was pretty much a backnforth argument going nowhere. They refused to compromise.
Not saying you are like that ryo but yeah... bad thread to dig up.
Also add a poll, and change it to the discussion section, they nerfed it last year.