This thread is highly against MCPE. If you support it, please stop reading. Anyways, the reason I'm posting this is because Minecraft Pocket Edition is literally going to end up with all of PC's updates. This is one of the worst ideas I've seen. When I got PC edition, I payed 26$. PE only costs 7$ and now even has redstone. They have sprinting, which is even worse. They need to raise the price, stop MCPE updates, or give PC players a free code to download MCPE for free. Post your opinions, please. *I have the game.* Owen has previously stated that Pocket Edition will have everything minecraft PC has, and more. I didn't tell you to stop reading because I couldn't take criticism, I told you to stop reading because it's going to start a flame war, which would be pointless.
So, because you paid for a more expensive version of Minecraft that has so many more features, you want PE to be made worthless or to be "paid" back in some way?
I kind of like it. It is useful if you don't have a gamepad or keyboard.
They exist on PC too, they just suck nd have to be fidled with, a lot to get to work
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Sorry I know that what I initially said, and my rebuttal when you replied are two different things, but I am terrible at explaining things. It usually takes someone else who tells me something like "......? I don't understand..." to get it right after the fact. I hope it didn't confuse you too much!
Sorry I know that what I initially said, and my rebuttal when you replied are two different things, but I am terrible at explaining things. It usually takes someone else who tells me something like "......? I don't understand..." to get it right after the fact. I hope it didn't confuse you too much!
That's a little funny, especially when it's against the rules to start a flame war and you're supposed to be polite. We don't want to break the rules, would we..?
To people saying I'm jealous: I have the game, how am I jealous? It's a little unfair to how people with only PC version have to pay another 7 dollars if they want to play it on their mobile device. Owen Hills tweeted out that Minecraft: Pocket Edition will have everything PC has, and more. Anything you can make up doesn't support paying 20 less dollars for Minecraft, so how could you assume that I don't have the game? Stereotypical..?
~This is a public forum. You have no right to tell us to not post. -It's a warning, not a command, why are you hostile? It's the way you read it in your head. The way you read it in your head was angrily, which means you might be a huge MC:PE fan, which would result in you being mad at me. ~And? How bad would that be? -It would be bad enough that PE will have everything the same as a game 20$ more, but not mobile. ~Then PE won't be as popular. It has to stay in the same price range as other mobile games- from Free to around $10. -Then make it 10$, that's being generous for everything it will get soon enough. ~Nope. - It all depends on perspective, I meant to not give it every single update PC has. ~Windows 10 Edition. - I'll give this one to you, I only took 10 minutes to write this. ~You just said to stop reading earlier -.- -Sorry, support it strongly*.
I never said they had to pay 26$, I said raise the price. Opinions, please.
Sorry I know that what I initially said, and my rebuttal when you replied are two different things, but I am terrible at explaining things. It usually takes someone else who tells me something like "......? I don't understand..." to get it right after the fact. I hope it didn't confuse you too much!
This thread is highly against MCPE. If you support it, please stop reading. Anyways, the reason I'm posting this is because Minecraft Pocket Edition is literally going to end up with all of PC's updates. This is one of the worst ideas I've seen. When I got PC edition, I payed 26$. PE only costs 7$ and now even has redstone. They have sprinting, which is even worse. They need to raise the price, stop MCPE updates, or give PC players a free code to download MCPE for free. Post your opinions, please. *I have the game.* Owen has previously stated that Pocket Edition will have everything minecraft PC has, and more. I didn't tell you to stop reading because I couldn't take criticism, I told you to stop reading because it's going to start a flame war, which would be pointless.
Ok, this doesn't show that he just updated this, but in the spoiler I have a screenshot of vlcedd's edit. This seams to be a change. I wish I had what it said before, but it was barely this. He changed it. This changes how this thread is read. Keep this in mind.
That's a little funny, especially when it's against the rules to start a flame war and you're supposed to be polite. We don't want to break the rules, would we..?
To people saying I'm jealous: I have the game, how am I jealous? It's a little unfair to how people with only PC version have to pay another 7 dollars if they want to play it on their mobile device. Owen Hills tweeted out that Minecraft: Pocket Edition will have everything PC has, and more. Anything you can make up doesn't support paying 20 less dollars for Minecraft, so how could you assume that I don't have the game? Stereotypical..?
~This is a public forum. You have no right to tell us to not post. -It's a warning, not a command, why are you hostile? It's the way you read it in your head. The way you read it in your head was angrily, which means you might be a huge MC:PE fan, which would result in you being mad at me. ~And? How bad would that be? -It would be bad enough that PE will have everything the same as a game 20$ more, but not mobile. ~Then PE won't be as popular. It has to stay in the same price range as other mobile games- from Free to around $10. -Then make it 10$, that's being generous for everything it will get soon enough. ~Nope. - It all depends on perspective, I meant to not give it every single update PC has. ~Windows 10 Edition. - I'll give this one to you, I only took 10 minutes to write this. ~You just said to stop reading earlier -.- -Sorry, support it strongly*.
I never said they had to pay 26$, I said raise the price. Opinions, please.
As I read the thread, there has been no flames. Perhaps my view is wrong, and I'm willing to look at again, but upon doing so twice, I still cannot interpret flames, based on what I recall of your original OP. What I interpreted was you - within your rights - hating on MC:PC, and other people - within the rules and their own rights - discouraging that, and testing your argument. Without hostility. Of course it was criticism, but it was constructive. Then, and this is where I have up to now only participated, a tangent between @AThingWithAThing, @Mettan, and myself on touch controls.
If that's not what happened please explain.
Now to your points.
1. You can be jealous even if you own both products in question. You can be jealous for buying both, thus wasting the 26$ that Minecraft PC costed you. This is constructive. But you also told people to leave if they didn't agree. It was not a suggestion, though you are right, it was also not a command. You also ended any form of conversation with your statement that anything that we add can't sway a fact, yet it's moreover an opinion. Thus your opinion based thread can no longer function.
What stereotypes apply? I don't know how they have stereotyped you.
2. No one told you not to post. They told you not to post about a certain subject if you don't want to listen to the counter argument. There was no hostility then, though it may now be interpreted as so due to your changes in the OP right before this post.
Now you point to PE fanishness, something that has historically removed people from logical point because they like things. There is no correlation. In fact, most of the people are mildly against MC:PE, not liking this or that.
3.Then you play devils advocate, but never actually touching the arguments that don't have an easy counter-argument. This only shifts things in your favor, against a discussion, more a rant and rave. If the OP had said that that was your intent, I would not be arguing you.
Please, I like that you intend to discuss, or even rant, but don't twist a conversation. It does you no good.
I will now remove myself from the thread. I feel a real flame war coming, but that has no need.
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Sorry I know that what I initially said, and my rebuttal when you replied are two different things, but I am terrible at explaining things. It usually takes someone else who tells me something like "......? I don't understand..." to get it right after the fact. I hope it didn't confuse you too much!
That's a little funny, especially when it's against the rules to start a flame war and you're supposed to be polite. We don't want to break the rules, would we..?
I'm just point out that making an opening sentence like that in a thread does not give you a shield from those who oppose your view. That alone starts flamewars about the very merit behind your thread.
This thread is highly against MCPE. If you support it, please stop reading. This is a public forum[/i]. You have no right to tell us to not post.[/b]
Anyways, the reason I'm posting this is because Minecraft Pocket
Edition is literally going to end up with all of PC's updates. And? How bad would that be?[/b]
This is one of the worst ideas I've seen. When I got PC edition, I
payed 26$. PE only costs 7$ and now even has redstone. They have
sprinting, which is even worse. They need to raise the price, Then PE won't be as popular. It has to stay in the same price range as other mobile games- from Free to around $10.[/b] stop MCPE updates, Nope[/b] or give PC players a free code to download MCPE for free. Windows 10 Edition. [/b]Post your opinions, please. [i]You just said to stop reading earlier -.- [/i]
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He said if you support it, stop reading. If you don't support it, read on.
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If Minecraft PE is going to get all the PC updates, it would be totally unfair. People will pay more money on the PC than on the PE version when they are the same thing! If Microsoft or mojang will update PE for all the tools and stuff that is exactly like Minecraft PC, they will be robbing money and taking advantage. Thank god that they didn't put all the redstone objects like pistons and redstone repeaters during the redstone update.
Anyways, the reason I'm posting this is because Minecraft Pocket Edition is literally going to end up with all of PC's updates. This is one of the worst ideas I've seen.
That's a little funny, especially when it's against the rules to start a flame war and you're supposed to be polite. We don't want to break the rules, would we..? (1)
To people saying I'm jealous: I have the game, how am I jealous? It's a little unfair to how people with only PC version have to pay another 7 dollars if they want to play it on their mobile device. Owen Hills tweeted out that Minecraft: Pocket Edition will have everything PC has, and more. Anything you can make up doesn't support paying 20 less dollars for Minecraft, so how could you assume that I don't have the game? Stereotypical..? (2)
~This is a public forum. You have no right to tell us to not post. (3) -It's a warning, not a command, why are you hostile? It's the way you read it in your head. The way you read it in your head was angrily, which means you might be a huge MC:PE fan, which would result in you being mad at me. ~And? How bad would that be? -It would be bad enough that PE will have everything the same as a game 20$ more, but not mobile. (2) ~Then PE won't be as popular. It has to stay in the same price range as other mobile games- from Free to around $10. -Then make it 10$, that's being generous for everything it will get soon enough. ~Nope. - It all depends on perspective, I meant to not give it every single update PC has. ~Windows 10 Edition. - I'll give this one to you, I only took 10 minutes to write this. ~You just said to stop reading earlier -.- -Sorry, support it strongly*.
I never said they had to pay 26$, I said raise the price. Opinions, please.
(1) There's a distinct difference between flaming / hate and criticism. Flaming / hate would be something along the lines of "YOU'RE JUST MAD BECAUSE MC:PE IS INFERIOR AND IT STILL COSTS MONEY!!!!!!!!", then add some explicit language, homophobic slurs, generic insults and then make that the majority of comments. That's hate / criticism, it's hating on something without giving a detailed explanation on why something is bad (or not explanation at all). Criticism is what this thread has turned into, you've posted a thread which seems to be someone who thinks they're entitled to free Pocket Edition because it's an inferior product and costs less, and people have responded saying how that's a blatantly incorrect way of thinking. Everything in this thread has fair and justified arguments backing it, therefore it's criticism, not hate. Criticism is not banned on the forums.
(2) How is this any different from other games, or any media in general? Just because you have Call of Duty or GTA 5 on PC doesn't mean you should get it on consoles for free, you have to pay the money just like anyone else does. Same goes for movies, just because you have Avengers: Age of Ultron on BluRay doesn't mean you are immediately entitled to the ordinary DVD copy. Thinking this way will bring criticism to your argument in any situation because thinking you're immediately entitled to something is pretty stupid in the grand scheme of things and causes problems for ot only you but everyone else.
Just because you have the game on PC doesn't mean you're entitled to get it on mobile devices with the argument that it's an inferior game. This game and it's players play by the same rules as pretty much the entire digital product market; each device / format basically acts as it's own market segment, therefore the pricing and inter-device / inter-market dynamics are determined by the given market's performance. If some game does better on PC than Xbox One, the company running it could by all means drop the pricing on the Xbox One to give people incentive to purchase it on the Xbox One. Though, this is just theoretical, there are other things that muddy up this entire pricing for it. Reducing the price on the Xbox One defeats the purpose of giving Xbox One players incentive to buy it. Business and capitalism runs off of money, the entire purpose of releasing games once you get down to it is not to give entertainment, it's to make money. Reducing the price on the Xbox One does bring more customers in, but it also results in less money being made so it just defeats the purpose. Reducing the price isn't the only way to make players jump over to the Xbox One, the company could release DLC which releases earlier on the Xbox One, or the company could make exclusive features for that platform. Why is this important? Giving PC players free access to PE just because it's inferior harms PE in the long-run, it results in less money being made. PC and PE are two different platforms, you shouldn't expect extra PE things just because you play on the PC.
(3) Hypocrisy at it's finest. This is a public forum, so criticism is allowed.
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(1) There's a distinct difference between flaming / hate and criticism. Flaming / hate would be something along the lines of "YOU'RE JUST MAD BECAUSE MC:PE IS INFERIOR AND IT STILL COSTS MONEY!!!!!!!!", then add some explicit language, homophobic slurs, generic insults and then make that the majority of comments. That's hate / criticism, it's hating on something without giving a detailed explanation on why something is bad (or not explanation at all). Criticism is what this thread has turned into, you've posted a thread which seems to be someone who thinks they're entitled to free Pocket Edition because it's an inferior product and costs less, and people have responded saying how that's a blatantly incorrect way of thinking. Everything in this thread has fair and justified arguments backing it, therefore it's criticism, not hate. Criticism is not banned on the forums.
(2) How is this any different from other games, or any media in general? Just because you have Call of Duty or GTA 5 on PC doesn't mean you should get it on consoles for free, you have to pay the money just like anyone else does. Same goes for movies, just because you have Avengers: Age of Ultron on BluRay doesn't mean you are immediately entitled to the ordinary DVD copy. Thinking this way will bring criticism to your argument in any situation because thinking you're immediately entitled to something is pretty stupid in the grand scheme of things and causes problems for ot only you but everyone else.
Just because you have the game on PC doesn't mean you're entitled to get it on mobile devices with the argument that it's an inferior game. This game and it's players play by the same rules as pretty much the entire digital product market; each device / format basically acts as it's own market segment, therefore the pricing and inter-device / inter-market dynamics are determined by the given market's performance. If some game does better on PC than Xbox One, the company running it could by all means drop the pricing on the Xbox One to give people incentive to purchase it on the Xbox One. Though, this is just theoretical, there are other things that muddy up this entire pricing for it. Reducing the price on the Xbox One defeats the purpose of giving Xbox One players incentive to buy it. Business and capitalism runs off of money, the entire purpose of releasing games once you get down to it is not to give entertainment, it's to make money. Reducing the price on the Xbox One does bring more customers in, but it also results in less money being made so it just defeats the purpose. Reducing the price isn't the only way to make players jump over to the Xbox One, the company could release DLC which releases earlier on the Xbox One, or the company could make exclusive features for that platform. Why is this important? Giving PC players free access to PE just because it's inferior harms PE in the long-run, it results in less money being made. PC and PE are two different platforms, you shouldn't expect extra PE things just because you play on the PC.
(3) Hypocrisy at it's finest. This is a public forum, so criticism is allowed.
Thank you! This is what needed to be said, I just couldn`t
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Sorry I know that what I initially said, and my rebuttal when you replied are two different things, but I am terrible at explaining things. It usually takes someone else who tells me something like "......? I don't understand..." to get it right after the fact. I hope it didn't confuse you too much!
It's kind of obvious when all of you are intentioning hate, indirectly. 2) Has any of those games made it to mobile and copied literally all of its features from its debut platform? 3) Yes, it's a public forum. I just don't want constructive criticism to go off topic and lead to hate. Otherwise, I'd be criticizing all of you for playing Minecraft.
It's kind of obvious when all of you are intentioning hate, indirectly. That moment when an argument is so weak new words have to be invented to support it. We aren't intentionally hating on your statement, we're criticising and discussing what you've stated by providing a counter-argument that defeats your's through fact. That's not hate, that's just general criticism, dude. You'd get the same literally anywhere else in the world, it's human nature. Don't act so surprised. 2) Has any of those games made it to mobile and copied literally all of its features from its debut platform? Many-a games have what you're describing; Gran Turismo, GTA, COD (namely zombies), etc all have mobile versions that are full-price and take features from the "proper" games. Pocket Edition is literally no different to these. 3) Yes, it's a public forum. I just don't want constructive criticism to go off topic and lead to hate. Otherwise, I'd be criticizing all of you for playing Minecraft. So, you come to a forum, about Minecraft, and openly admit you would criticise us all for playing Minecraft? Doesn't that seem to be immature to you? And you're the one talking about hate... let me put it into perspective. You come to a forum for Minecraft players and openly say you would criticise us for playing Minecraft. Doesn't that seem off to you? Or completely pointless? What reaction do you expect? Come on, act mature.
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Well, while all the content will be in PE, it's not there yet. So you could always just think of it as paying extra because you're getting the content "early", or something. Honestly, this appears, to me, like someone complaining that they purchased MYST for..($20? $30? However much games were back then) when it first released, but now someone can pick up a copy of MYST: Masterpiece Edition (with better graphics, no less!) for $6.
Personally, I'm happy with my purchase of Minecraft PC and see no reason to penalize PE players simply because they play on a different device. From what I can see, it sounds like you're happy with your purchase of PC edition, as well, so why do you feel the need to penalize the PE players? How does the amount they pay for their game or how much content it has affect those of us who play PC edition? The simple answer is, it doesn't.
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This thread is highly against MCPE. If you support it, please stop reading. Anyways, the reason I'm posting this is because Minecraft Pocket Edition is literally going to end up with all of PC's updates. This is one of the worst ideas I've seen. When I got PC edition, I payed 26$. PE only costs 7$ and now even has redstone. They have sprinting, which is even worse. They need to raise the price, stop MCPE updates, or give PC players a free code to download MCPE for free. Post your opinions, please. *I have the game.* Owen has previously stated that Pocket Edition will have everything minecraft PC has, and more. I didn't tell you to stop reading because I couldn't take criticism, I told you to stop reading because it's going to start a flame war, which would be pointless.
So what. What "they" get doesn't affect what you you've already gotten. Either Minecraft PC was worth the $26 bucks you paid for it or it wasn't. If you thought it was worth it before PE came out then you've already got good value for your money.
Just because you bought something for a PC doesn't mean you should get it for free on another platform. Most games have you re-buy them if you want to play them on a different platform.
The price for a game on one platform doesn't necessarily mean that the same should be charged on another platform either. Mobile games generally cost less than PC games, so from the developer's point of view, it's a good idea to price it competitively with other PE games.
Also, extending the game to other platforms puts more money in the developer's pockets even after the PC marketplace becomes saturated and new sales of the game start to inevitably fall off. That allows them to continue to update ALL versions, including the PC for a number of more years. Because the updates are free, people who have already bought the PC version are not really putting any more money into the developer's pocket... so it's the new sales on the other platforms that picks up the slack.
Finally, having the game available on other platforms brings new people onto the PC version. If they try the game on PE and like it, many will be inclined to buy it again for their PC (even if the games are very much the same). Many people do own multiple versions of games for different platforms.
BTW, the same negative things were said when Minecraft first came out on console priced at $20 versus $26... and today Minecraft, on all platforms, is more popular than ever. There are quite a number of PC players here on the forums who first found out about or tried out Minecraft on the console and then bought the game again to play on the PC.
ETA: How are you gonna feel when it hits a point that they start reducing the price on Minecraft PC. After games have been out for more than a couple a years, the prices on them usually start to fall. On the Xbox, I've been picking up lots of good games from 2010 to 2013 for 70% off the original price and sometimes am even able to download them from Xbox Live for free (e.g. I (or rather my son and I) recently got Dirt 3 for free, which was like a $60 game when it was first released).
This thread is highly against MCPE. If you support it, please stop reading. Anyways, the reason I'm posting this is because Minecraft Pocket Edition is literally going to end up with all of PC's updates. This is one of the worst ideas I've seen. When I got PC edition, I payed 26$. PE only costs 7$ and now even has redstone. They have sprinting, which is even worse. They need to raise the price, stop MCPE updates, or give PC players a free code to download MCPE for free. Post your opinions, please. *I have the game.* Owen has previously stated that Pocket Edition will have everything minecraft PC has, and more. I didn't tell you to stop reading because I couldn't take criticism, I told you to stop reading because it's going to start a flame war, which would be pointless.
If you can't take criticism from people with opposing views you shouldn't have made this thread in the first place.
I wouldn't call touch controls an improvement at all.
So, because you paid for a more expensive version of Minecraft that has so many more features, you want PE to be made worthless or to be "paid" back in some way?
They exist on PC too, they just suck nd have to be fidled with, a lot to get to work
Sorry I know that what I initially said, and my rebuttal when you replied are two different things, but I am terrible at explaining things. It usually takes someone else who tells me something like "......? I don't understand..." to get it right after the fact. I hope it didn't confuse you too much!
That would explain a lot.
Sorry I know that what I initially said, and my rebuttal when you replied are two different things, but I am terrible at explaining things. It usually takes someone else who tells me something like "......? I don't understand..." to get it right after the fact. I hope it didn't confuse you too much!
That's a little funny, especially when it's against the rules to start a flame war and you're supposed to be polite. We don't want to break the rules, would we..?
To people saying I'm jealous: I have the game, how am I jealous? It's a little unfair to how people with only PC version have to pay another 7 dollars if they want to play it on their mobile device. Owen Hills tweeted out that Minecraft: Pocket Edition will have everything PC has, and more. Anything you can make up doesn't support paying 20 less dollars for Minecraft, so how could you assume that I don't have the game? Stereotypical..?
~This is a public forum. You have no right to tell us to not post. -It's a warning, not a command, why are you hostile? It's the way you read it in your head. The way you read it in your head was angrily, which means you might be a huge MC:PE fan, which would result in you being mad at me. ~And? How bad would that be? -It would be bad enough that PE will have everything the same as a game 20$ more, but not mobile. ~Then PE won't be as popular. It has to stay in the same price range as other mobile games- from Free to around $10. -Then make it 10$, that's being generous for everything it will get soon enough. ~Nope. - It all depends on perspective, I meant to not give it every single update PC has. ~Windows 10 Edition. - I'll give this one to you, I only took 10 minutes to write this. ~You just said to stop reading earlier -.- -Sorry, support it strongly*.
I never said they had to pay 26$, I said raise the price. Opinions, please.
Silly question... Can MCPE be played multiplayer?
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Sorry I know that what I initially said, and my rebuttal when you replied are two different things, but I am terrible at explaining things. It usually takes someone else who tells me something like "......? I don't understand..." to get it right after the fact. I hope it didn't confuse you too much!
Ok, this doesn't show that he just updated this, but in the spoiler I have a screenshot of vlcedd's edit. This seams to be a change. I wish I had what it said before, but it was barely this. He changed it. This changes how this thread is read. Keep this in mind.
Apologies for all the wight space.
As I read the thread, there has been no flames. Perhaps my view is wrong, and I'm willing to look at again, but upon doing so twice, I still cannot interpret flames, based on what I recall of your original OP. What I interpreted was you - within your rights - hating on MC:PC, and other people - within the rules and their own rights - discouraging that, and testing your argument. Without hostility. Of course it was criticism, but it was constructive. Then, and this is where I have up to now only participated, a tangent between @AThingWithAThing, @Mettan, and myself on touch controls.
If that's not what happened please explain.
Now to your points.
1. You can be jealous even if you own both products in question. You can be jealous for buying both, thus wasting the 26$ that Minecraft PC costed you. This is constructive. But you also told people to leave if they didn't agree. It was not a suggestion, though you are right, it was also not a command. You also ended any form of conversation with your statement that anything that we add can't sway a fact, yet it's moreover an opinion. Thus your opinion based thread can no longer function.
What stereotypes apply? I don't know how they have stereotyped you.
2. No one told you not to post. They told you not to post about a certain subject if you don't want to listen to the counter argument. There was no hostility then, though it may now be interpreted as so due to your changes in the OP right before this post.
Now you point to PE fanishness, something that has historically removed people from logical point because they like things. There is no correlation. In fact, most of the people are mildly against MC:PE, not liking this or that.
3.Then you play devils advocate, but never actually touching the arguments that don't have an easy counter-argument. This only shifts things in your favor, against a discussion, more a rant and rave. If the OP had said that that was your intent, I would not be arguing you.
Please, I like that you intend to discuss, or even rant, but don't twist a conversation. It does you no good.
I will now remove myself from the thread. I feel a real flame war coming, but that has no need.
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Sorry I know that what I initially said, and my rebuttal when you replied are two different things, but I am terrible at explaining things. It usually takes someone else who tells me something like "......? I don't understand..." to get it right after the fact. I hope it didn't confuse you too much!
I'm just point out that making an opening sentence like that in a thread does not give you a shield from those who oppose your view. That alone starts flamewars about the very merit behind your thread.
He said if you support it, stop reading. If you don't support it, read on.
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Someone get me out of this god-forbidden place. I hate it.If Minecraft PE is going to get all the PC updates, it would be totally unfair. People will pay more money on the PC than on the PE version when they are the same thing! If Microsoft or mojang will update PE for all the tools and stuff that is exactly like Minecraft PC, they will be robbing money and taking advantage. Thank god that they didn't put all the redstone objects like pistons and redstone repeaters during the redstone update.
Please do not update the PE version.
I facepalmed and stopped reading when I saw this.
Figured it was time for a change.
(1) There's a distinct difference between flaming / hate and criticism. Flaming / hate would be something along the lines of "YOU'RE JUST MAD BECAUSE MC:PE IS INFERIOR AND IT STILL COSTS MONEY!!!!!!!!", then add some explicit language, homophobic slurs, generic insults and then make that the majority of comments. That's hate / criticism, it's hating on something without giving a detailed explanation on why something is bad (or not explanation at all). Criticism is what this thread has turned into, you've posted a thread which seems to be someone who thinks they're entitled to free Pocket Edition because it's an inferior product and costs less, and people have responded saying how that's a blatantly incorrect way of thinking. Everything in this thread has fair and justified arguments backing it, therefore it's criticism, not hate. Criticism is not banned on the forums.
(2) How is this any different from other games, or any media in general? Just because you have Call of Duty or GTA 5 on PC doesn't mean you should get it on consoles for free, you have to pay the money just like anyone else does. Same goes for movies, just because you have Avengers: Age of Ultron on BluRay doesn't mean you are immediately entitled to the ordinary DVD copy. Thinking this way will bring criticism to your argument in any situation because thinking you're immediately entitled to something is pretty stupid in the grand scheme of things and causes problems for ot only you but everyone else.
Just because you have the game on PC doesn't mean you're entitled to get it on mobile devices with the argument that it's an inferior game. This game and it's players play by the same rules as pretty much the entire digital product market; each device / format basically acts as it's own market segment, therefore the pricing and inter-device / inter-market dynamics are determined by the given market's performance. If some game does better on PC than Xbox One, the company running it could by all means drop the pricing on the Xbox One to give people incentive to purchase it on the Xbox One. Though, this is just theoretical, there are other things that muddy up this entire pricing for it. Reducing the price on the Xbox One defeats the purpose of giving Xbox One players incentive to buy it. Business and capitalism runs off of money, the entire purpose of releasing games once you get down to it is not to give entertainment, it's to make money. Reducing the price on the Xbox One does bring more customers in, but it also results in less money being made so it just defeats the purpose. Reducing the price isn't the only way to make players jump over to the Xbox One, the company could release DLC which releases earlier on the Xbox One, or the company could make exclusive features for that platform. Why is this important? Giving PC players free access to PE just because it's inferior harms PE in the long-run, it results in less money being made. PC and PE are two different platforms, you shouldn't expect extra PE things just because you play on the PC.
(3) Hypocrisy at it's finest. This is a public forum, so criticism is allowed.
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Thank you! This is what needed to be said, I just couldn`t
Sorry I know that what I initially said, and my rebuttal when you replied are two different things, but I am terrible at explaining things. It usually takes someone else who tells me something like "......? I don't understand..." to get it right after the fact. I hope it didn't confuse you too much!
It's kind of obvious when all of you are intentioning hate, indirectly. 2) Has any of those games made it to mobile and copied literally all of its features from its debut platform? 3) Yes, it's a public forum. I just don't want constructive criticism to go off topic and lead to hate. Otherwise, I'd be criticizing all of you for playing Minecraft.
Author of the Clarity, Serenity, Sapphire & Halcyon shader packs for Minecraft: Java Edition.
My Github page.
The entire Minecraft shader development community now has its own Discord server! Feel free to join and chat with all the developers!
Well, while all the content will be in PE, it's not there yet. So you could always just think of it as paying extra because you're getting the content "early", or something. Honestly, this appears, to me, like someone complaining that they purchased MYST for..($20? $30? However much games were back then) when it first released, but now someone can pick up a copy of MYST: Masterpiece Edition (with better graphics, no less!) for $6.
Personally, I'm happy with my purchase of Minecraft PC and see no reason to penalize PE players simply because they play on a different device. From what I can see, it sounds like you're happy with your purchase of PC edition, as well, so why do you feel the need to penalize the PE players? How does the amount they pay for their game or how much content it has affect those of us who play PC edition? The simple answer is, it doesn't.
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So what. What "they" get doesn't affect what you you've already gotten. Either Minecraft PC was worth the $26 bucks you paid for it or it wasn't. If you thought it was worth it before PE came out then you've already got good value for your money.
Just because you bought something for a PC doesn't mean you should get it for free on another platform. Most games have you re-buy them if you want to play them on a different platform.
The price for a game on one platform doesn't necessarily mean that the same should be charged on another platform either. Mobile games generally cost less than PC games, so from the developer's point of view, it's a good idea to price it competitively with other PE games.
Also, extending the game to other platforms puts more money in the developer's pockets even after the PC marketplace becomes saturated and new sales of the game start to inevitably fall off. That allows them to continue to update ALL versions, including the PC for a number of more years. Because the updates are free, people who have already bought the PC version are not really putting any more money into the developer's pocket... so it's the new sales on the other platforms that picks up the slack.
Finally, having the game available on other platforms brings new people onto the PC version. If they try the game on PE and like it, many will be inclined to buy it again for their PC (even if the games are very much the same). Many people do own multiple versions of games for different platforms.
BTW, the same negative things were said when Minecraft first came out on console priced at $20 versus $26... and today Minecraft, on all platforms, is more popular than ever. There are quite a number of PC players here on the forums who first found out about or tried out Minecraft on the console and then bought the game again to play on the PC.
ETA: How are you gonna feel when it hits a point that they start reducing the price on Minecraft PC. After games have been out for more than a couple a years, the prices on them usually start to fall. On the Xbox, I've been picking up lots of good games from 2010 to 2013 for 70% off the original price and sometimes am even able to download them from Xbox Live for free (e.g. I (or rather my son and I) recently got Dirt 3 for free, which was like a $60 game when it was first released).