0.6 seconds (cooldown timer's duration of diamond sword) too slow?! Seriously how many times it has to be told you, that having faster cooldown time than that is useless, as there's 0.5 seconds of damage immunity after your first attack? It has been there always. (the .5 second damage immunity) You can always play the older versions if you can't get over that change!
30 seconds? Don't spam click! Then it will take as much time as it used to in old combat system! I borrowed this link from oCrapaCreeper, and I bet, that you have already seen it before! And here's more! You clearly don't understand how this new combat system really work, since if it takes 30 seconds from you to kill a mob, you clearly are still trying to spam click.
I timed it. 3.97 seconds, or practically 4 between two hits. But if you're PvE-ing and you are fighting thousands of mobs like on a super flat, it isn't fun and I just get bored. Spam clicking was never frustrating to be a victim of, so why did they change it? Don't fix some thing that isn't broken or you'll break it! I agree with Zarlog_Core There is no skill involved and it's just delayed spam clicking, and it times it for you!
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"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
I timed it. 3.97 seconds, or practically 4 between two hits. But if you're PvE-ing and you are fighting thousands of mobs like on a super flat, it isn't fun and I just get bored. Spam clicking was never frustrating to be a victim of, so why did they change it? Don't fix some thing that isn't broken or you'll break it! I agree with Zarlog_Core There is no skill involved and it's just delayed spam clicking, and it times it for you!
How in the world did you get 3.97 seconds? Not even axes have that slow of a cooldown. Ask pretty much anyone. The cooldown is aprox. 0.6 seconds long. Axes are a lil' longer to charge up, but nowhere near that long. Do you have an attack indicator on? Are you just counting really fast and not actually pacing with how long a second is? Because the cooldown certainly is nowhere near that long unless you've modified a weapon via commands to do so.
I timed it. 3.97 seconds, or practically 4 between two hits. But if you're PvE-ing and you are fighting thousands of mobs like on a super flat, it isn't fun and I just get bored. Spam clicking was never frustrating to be a victim of, so why did they change it? Don't fix some thing that isn't broken or you'll break it! I agree with Zarlog_Core There is no skill involved and it's just delayed spam clicking, and it times it for you!
Seriously, how can you get get this to 3.97 seconds?! How?! I mean, I was seriously bad in math in school, and still am, but not even I can get that as high as 3.97 (practically 4 seconds) between two hits?! If this isn't extreme case of fan boyism over the old combat system, then I don't know what this is? Either that, or then you are very successful troll. But I guess, that haters gonna hate.
How in the world did you get 3.97 seconds? Not even axes have that slow of a cooldown. Ask pretty much anyone. The cooldown is aprox. 0.6 seconds long. Axes are a lil' longer to charge up, but nowhere near that long. Do you have an attack indicator on? Are you just counting really fast and not actually pacing with how long a second is? Because the cooldown certainly is nowhere near that long unless you've modified a weapon via commands to do so.
Look m8, If you had read the previous postings, you would have noticed I was talking about 1.8 and below. Minecraft 1.9 Has cool down that takes 0.6 seconds.
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There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
Look m8, If you had read the previous postings, you would have noticed I was talking about 1.8 and below. Minecraft 1.9 Has cool down that takes 0.6 seconds.
You worded yourself quite badly, then. You never once mentioned 1.8 in your post, and ended it with "There is no skill involved and it's just delayed spam clicking, and it times it for you!" making me assume you were talking about 1.9 combat.
Even if you were talking about 1.8, there is not really any reason you should be taking that long to kill things. Especially since you were freely able to click as fast as you'd like, dealing full damage right after their invincibility frames ended.
Seriously, how can you get get this to 3.97 seconds?! How?! I mean, I was seriously bad in math in school, and still am, but not even I can get that as high as 3.97 (practically 4 seconds) between two hits?! If this isn't extreme case of fan boyism over the old combat system, then I don't know what this is? Either that, or then you are very successful troll. But I guess, that haters gonna hate.
I'm talking about 1.7.10 which is what I'm playing on. This 1.9 decreased damage wait until it regenerates thing is driving me crazy. Its just wait and hit... wait and hit... wait............. and................... hit... and I'm not a hater. I dislike this aspect of minecraft, and wish it was never implemented. But I don't HATE it.
There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
Oh, so now you were talking about 1.8 and below? So that clears a lot of things out. And believe or not; I do admit, that you have good points in your messages to this thread. I just don't agree with them.
And by the way, there is some skill involved in new combat system, the critical hits, jump and when coming down swing the weapon of your choice. With this attack, you can dispatch any mob with 2 swings. That is if you manage to do the second jump fast enough.
I timed it. 3.97 seconds, or practically 4 between two hits. -1.8 and below
Sorry
But if you're PvE-ing and you are fighting thousands of mobs like on a super flat, it isn't fun and I just get bored. Spam clicking was never frustrating to be a victim of, so why did they change it? Don't fix some thing that isn't broken or you'll break it! I agree with Zarlog_Core There is no skill involved and it's just delayed spam clicking, and it times it for you! - 1.9
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There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
Oh, so now you were talking about 1.8 and below? So that clears a lot of things out. And believe or not; I do admit, that you have good points in your messages to this thread. I just don't agree with them.
I feel the same.
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There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
I agree with this comment. If I was building something pre 1.9 and a skelly spawned at my building site (even though they are well lit, they still spawn sometimes), I could have ran up to it and dispatched it in 3 seconds, no issues or near death experiences. Now, when that happens in 1.9, it takes like 30 seconds to kill it (it runs behind corners, making it hard to track). That is a major inconvenience when you just want to build something. Baby zombies are also pretty much minibosses now, there is nothing you can do if you get caught unprepared with one (they can kill you in 5 seconds, and low internet speed and FPS just happen to kick in at that moment.) Not to mention wooden swords are useless now. Why even bother making one when they do almost no damage?
why not stay inside the house during night and wait for the sun to rise?
There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
30 seconds? Don't spam click! Then it will take as much time as it used to in old combat system! I borrowed this link from oCrapaCreeper, and I bet, that you have already seen it before!
While your points are valid, I want to make sure the context of that gyfcat I made is understood: That gif does not actually demonstrate the comparison between kill times in the current version.
It demonstrates how bad the cooldown changes in the 1.9.2 snapshots were (Allowing you to only at attack at 70% cooldown, making spamclicking effective again). Spamclicking in that gif actually killed faster than timed attacks due to those changes made. After I made a thread on reddit using that gif, Mojang quickly reverted the changes due to complaints it caused.
would you rather get attacked by mobs during night or stay inside the house and be safe from mobs?
My point is, why update if you aren't getting the full experience?
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There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
My point is, why update if you aren't getting the full experience?
Because the Elytra is just that awesome?
Because the new Mending and Frost Walker enchantments are to die for?
Because you can hold stuff in both hands?
Because boats were finally fixed?
Because End Rods and Tipped Arrows are pretty nifty?
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Because the Elytra is just that awesome?
Because the new Mending and Frost Walker enchantments are to die for?
Because you can hold stuff in both hands?
Because boats were finally fixed?
Because End Rods and Tipped Arrows are pretty nifty?
Mending and Frost Walker enchantments are already in mods. Same with duel wielding (which i dislike in vanilla). Just swim, who makes boats anyway? Even if you do, they are so easy to remake. End Rods and Tipped Arrows I wouldn't be able to recall.
There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
I agree with this comment. If I was building something pre 1.9 and a skelly spawned at my building site (even though they are well lit, they still spawn sometimes), I could have ran up to it and dispatched it in 3 seconds, no issues or near death experiences. Now, when that happens in 1.9, it takes like 30 seconds to kill it (it runs behind corners, making it hard to track). That is a major inconvenience when you just want to build something. Baby zombies are also pretty much minibosses now, there is nothing you can do if you get caught unprepared with one (they can kill you in 5 seconds, and low internet speed and FPS just happen to kick in at that moment.) Not to mention wooden swords are useless now. Why even bother making one when they do almost no damage?
30 seconds to kill a skeleton? Have you forgotten to equip a weapon? They take longer than before, sure, but only maybe 5-10 seconds; two to kill it, and the rest to get close enough to hit it. Less, if you have a high-quality sword. Your gross exaggerations are only proof that you are utterly unwilling to judge 1.9 fairly.
As for baby zombies: spam doesn't work for damage any more but it works just fine for knockback. Whiff a hit against that baby zombie? Just click a second time so it's forced back, and you can wait for your sword to recharge again. (If you're not using a sword, then use a sword. Axes are trash and outside of the first few minutes of the game they are only useful for disabling shields.)
Wooden swords were crap even pre-1.9, but the attack speed of a sword is useful for keeping enemies away and will therefore protect you from damage. A wooden axe, if you can space effectively, can be used to kill mobs comparatively quickly in the earlygame since two axe crits will kill most mobs; however, messing up will result in taking a hit which is actually relevant in the early-game.
That said if you have such a big issue with the cooldown... just use a bow. It takes just over a second to loose an arrow that, with proper enchantments, will kill the vast majority of mobs in one shot. An improvement over chasing down mobs with a sword pre-1.9. A second will kill survivors if they happen to have armor. Damage is a non-issue with Protection enchantments; if you want to build, just beeline for (or cheat in) endgame gear; you can leave a simple auto-fisher on overnight to get the bows and EXP you need to craft an infinitely-sustainable oneshot bow, and from there getting god-armor is a cinch.
You could beat someone with a wooden axe when they have a diamond sword. Why?
The axe takes a smidgeon less than twice as long to fully recharge; it's still about half the DPS of the sword, just as a wooden sword has about half the DPS of the diamond sword.
Mending and Frost Walker enchantments are already in mods. Same with duel wielding (which i dislike in vanilla). Just swim, who makes boats anyway? Even if you do, they are so easy to remake. End Rods and Tipped Arrows I wouldn't be able to recall.
I think what you misunderstand is that Mojang is trying to give everyone a full experience without needing to use mods. Horses were already in mods, and I don't see you complaining about them. You should seriously just drop the 'not unique' argument because its baseless and nobody here agrees with it.
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I timed it. 3.97 seconds, or practically 4 between two hits. But if you're PvE-ing and you are fighting thousands of mobs like on a super flat, it isn't fun and I just get bored. Spam clicking was never frustrating to be a victim of, so why did they change it? Don't fix some thing that isn't broken or you'll break it! I agree with Zarlog_Core There is no skill involved and it's just delayed spam clicking, and it times it for you!
There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
Baby Zombies are really bad. Their hitboxes are so tiny that I nearly died to one in full iron armor because I couldn't hit it.
How in the world did you get 3.97 seconds? Not even axes have that slow of a cooldown. Ask pretty much anyone. The cooldown is aprox. 0.6 seconds long. Axes are a lil' longer to charge up, but nowhere near that long. Do you have an attack indicator on? Are you just counting really fast and not actually pacing with how long a second is? Because the cooldown certainly is nowhere near that long unless you've modified a weapon via commands to do so.
Seriously, how can you get get this to 3.97 seconds?! How?! I mean, I was seriously bad in math in school, and still am, but not even I can get that as high as 3.97 (practically 4 seconds) between two hits?! If this isn't extreme case of fan boyism over the old combat system, then I don't know what this is? Either that, or then you are very successful troll. But I guess, that haters gonna hate.
Look m8, If you had read the previous postings, you would have noticed I was talking about 1.8 and below. Minecraft 1.9 Has cool down that takes 0.6 seconds.
There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
You worded yourself quite badly, then. You never once mentioned 1.8 in your post, and ended it with "There is no skill involved and it's just delayed spam clicking, and it times it for you!" making me assume you were talking about 1.9 combat.
Even if you were talking about 1.8, there is not really any reason you should be taking that long to kill things. Especially since you were freely able to click as fast as you'd like, dealing full damage right after their invincibility frames ended.
I'm talking about 1.7.10 which is what I'm playing on. This 1.9 decreased damage wait until it regenerates thing is driving me crazy. Its just wait and hit... wait and hit... wait............. and................... hit... and I'm not a hater. I dislike this aspect of minecraft, and wish it was never implemented. But I don't HATE it.
There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
Oh, so now you were talking about 1.8 and below? So that clears a lot of things out. And believe or not; I do admit, that you have good points in your messages to this thread. I just don't agree with them.
And by the way, there is some skill involved in new combat system, the critical hits, jump and when coming down swing the weapon of your choice. With this attack, you can dispatch any mob with 2 swings. That is if you manage to do the second jump fast enough.
Sorry
There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
I feel the same.
There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
why not stay inside the house during night and wait for the sun to rise?
Because there is no fun in that.
There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
would you rather get attacked by mobs during night or stay inside the house and be safe from mobs?
While your points are valid, I want to make sure the context of that gyfcat I made is understood: That gif does not actually demonstrate the comparison between kill times in the current version.
It demonstrates how bad the cooldown changes in the 1.9.2 snapshots were (Allowing you to only at attack at 70% cooldown, making spamclicking effective again). Spamclicking in that gif actually killed faster than timed attacks due to those changes made. After I made a thread on reddit using that gif, Mojang quickly reverted the changes due to complaints it caused.
My point is, why update if you aren't getting the full experience?
There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
what experience?
Because the Elytra is just that awesome?
Because the new Mending and Frost Walker enchantments are to die for?
Because you can hold stuff in both hands?
Because boats were finally fixed?
Because End Rods and Tipped Arrows are pretty nifty?
Also the author of Tales from the Creature Keeper, a book series where humanity is long gone, but its successors, both domesticated and feral, could learn a lot from its legacy.
Mending and Frost Walker enchantments are already in mods. Same with duel wielding (which i dislike in vanilla). Just swim, who makes boats anyway? Even if you do, they are so easy to remake. End Rods and Tipped Arrows I wouldn't be able to recall.
There is one God. The creator of the heavens and the earth, who sent his son down to earth to save us... he loves you and he's pursuing you. Return to him.
...yeah, I'm one of THOSE guys.
"Some may say that you are a Christian because you were raised in a christian family, but even if my mother was a calculus teacher, no mater what she told me, two plus two would still equal four." - Dr. S. Jenkins
"I'm not a hater, I just know you're wrong. You need to realize that." - Unknown
30 seconds to kill a skeleton? Have you forgotten to equip a weapon? They take longer than before, sure, but only maybe 5-10 seconds; two to kill it, and the rest to get close enough to hit it. Less, if you have a high-quality sword. Your gross exaggerations are only proof that you are utterly unwilling to judge 1.9 fairly.
As for baby zombies: spam doesn't work for damage any more but it works just fine for knockback. Whiff a hit against that baby zombie? Just click a second time so it's forced back, and you can wait for your sword to recharge again. (If you're not using a sword, then use a sword. Axes are trash and outside of the first few minutes of the game they are only useful for disabling shields.)
Wooden swords were crap even pre-1.9, but the attack speed of a sword is useful for keeping enemies away and will therefore protect you from damage. A wooden axe, if you can space effectively, can be used to kill mobs comparatively quickly in the earlygame since two axe crits will kill most mobs; however, messing up will result in taking a hit which is actually relevant in the early-game.
That said if you have such a big issue with the cooldown... just use a bow. It takes just over a second to loose an arrow that, with proper enchantments, will kill the vast majority of mobs in one shot. An improvement over chasing down mobs with a sword pre-1.9. A second will kill survivors if they happen to have armor. Damage is a non-issue with Protection enchantments; if you want to build, just beeline for (or cheat in) endgame gear; you can leave a simple auto-fisher on overnight to get the bows and EXP you need to craft an infinitely-sustainable oneshot bow, and from there getting god-armor is a cinch.
The axe takes a smidgeon less than twice as long to fully recharge; it's still about half the DPS of the sword, just as a wooden sword has about half the DPS of the diamond sword.
I think what you misunderstand is that Mojang is trying to give everyone a full experience without needing to use mods. Horses were already in mods, and I don't see you complaining about them. You should seriously just drop the 'not unique' argument because its baseless and nobody here agrees with it.
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