I kind of appreciate that Mojang is making it so that servers can't restrict features. I hate going on a server just to see someone who can do more just becuase they donated money to a server. Not that I couldn't donate, but I'm not sure I'd make a 20$ commitment to a Minecraft Server that could shut down tomorrow.
I understand what Mojang is trying to do here... They are trying to make it so no one player can be the so called "god" of the server by paying a couple hundred dollars for some items. I would be fine with all of these new rules, IF they had cracked down on them in the first place. Enforcing the new rules right away would have prevented any of these issues from arising now.
So how many server have been shut down thus for for making special features payable? I take it none, cause mine is still up and...I have these so called "god" players? What they gonna do...ban me? Hall of Shame?
I kind of appreciate that Mojang is making it so that servers can't restrict features. I hate going on a server just to see someone who can do more just becuase they donated money to a server. Not that I couldn't donate, but I'm not sure I'd make a 20$ commitment to a Minecraft Server that could shut down tomorrow.
Mojang has no control over what I do IN my server, if I call someone a "****" or whatever its my server, what I do in my minecraft world I can blow up your house to screw you over as much as I want. So I surely can prevent you from using certain features too. I think mojang is getting too greedy like microsoft.
I bet no one realized the true intentions behind all this, Mojang started earlier a "Minecraft Realms" system, basically servers provided by Mojang themselves for you to use instead of using your home connection or NFO servers. That being said, they get the money instead of those hosts. By preventing the server owners from charging people for special features ( I bet you this includes bukkit features), you cannot give a donor access to the GIVE command that pays for it, while a normal player does not.
Just a lame attempt to make more money, what is even more funny, this same issue arose when they made a news article about what would happen if Minecraft didn't make enough money to stay alive, they said 10 years from that point minecraft would still develop, but after that it would die. This all links to this EULA thing.
I have not touched MineCraft since 1.6 was released, main reason is im waiting for 1.8 to get officially released. I host a server and my friend runs the donations, I didn't get a cease and desist, this is just a scare tactic, and until it really becomes out of control. I doubt Mojang will do a thing.
Anyone that dislikes the EULA is misinformed or don't know what they're talking about.
Mojang is doing this to stop their game from what it was otherwise inevitably turning into: A $26.95 EA game.
90% of servers these days are horrible and boring, because the donators get amazing kits or crazy overpowered perks that should NOT be available just for forking over your money.
The only people that are (and righfully so) freaking out are 1 of 2 things (maybe both I guess)
1. A player of a server that isn't good enough for the players to wish to ACTUALLY DONATE to it
2. The owner of the server stated above ^
So if you're one of the complainers or petitioners, please stop trying to fight good things.
So how many server have been shut down thus for for making special features payable? I take it none, cause mine is still up and...I have these so called "god" players? What they gonna do...ban me? Hall of Shame?
Mojang has no control over what I do IN my server, if I call someone a "****" or whatever its my server, what I do in my minecraft world I can blow up your house to screw you over as much as I want. So I surely can prevent you from using certain features too. I think mojang is getting too greedy like microsoft.
I bet no one realized the true intentions behind all this, Mojang started earlier a "Minecraft Realms" system, basically servers provided by Mojang themselves for you to use instead of using your home connection or NFO servers. That being said, they get the money instead of those hosts. By preventing the server owners from charging people for special features ( I bet you this includes bukkit features), you cannot give a donor access to the GIVE command that pays for it, while a normal player does not.
Just a lame attempt to make more money, what is even more funny, this same issue arose when they made a news article about what would happen if Minecraft didn't make enough money to stay alive, they said 10 years from that point minecraft would still develop, but after that it would die. This all links to this EULA thing.
I have not touched MineCraft since 1.6 was released, main reason is im waiting for 1.8 to get officially released. I host a server and my friend runs the donations, I didn't get a cease and desist, this is just a scare tactic, and until it really becomes out of control. I doubt Mojang will do a thing.
you do realize, that mojang technically owns "your" server? they are the entire reason why you can even play the game, the least you could do is respect their wishes.
First Loop Hole: Lets say you want to give the people who donate prot 10 diamond armor, but the EULA states that this prot 10 most be able to be earned by people who dont donate also. You would put prot 10 in your shop and make it cost 1 mil, but if you were a donater you could get it for free. The item would still be able to be bought by people who dont donate but it would be free for people who donate. This dose not break the EULA.
Second loop Hole: So someone lets say donates $20, and the server they donate to gives them 20 credit like things on their website. This person did not donate for an ingame item but for a soft money on their website. This soft money on the website can then be turned in for special items. This does not break the EULA because they are not donating for an ingame item that affects gameplay they are donating for a soft currency on a website that has no connection to mojang.
The problem is what exactly are they gonna do? If they don't want to hire a team of people that do nothing but send out c&d notices all day then I see black for enforcing these rules.
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This has more problems than benefits. I don't want to pay money to join my favourite server. Also this ne EULA means that no matter how much money you pay, you are still an equal with every else so ranks are useless now. . . This is going to hurt smaller servers a lot and what will happen to people who just want to host a small server for their friends? This is dumb.
First Loop Hole: Lets say you want to give the people who donate prot 10 diamond armor, but the EULA states that this prot 10 most be able to be earned by people who dont donate also. You would put prot 10 in your shop and make it cost 1 mil, but if you were a donater you could get it for free. The item would still be able to be bought by people who dont donate but it would be free for people who donate. This dose not break the EULA.
Second loop Hole: So someone lets say donates $20, and the server they donate to gives them 20 credit like things on their website. This person did not donate for an ingame item but for a soft money on their website. This soft money on the website can then be turned in for special items. This does not break the EULA because they are not donating for an ingame item that affects gameplay they are donating for a soft currency on a website that has no connection to mojang.
1. "Can I sell “kits” for hard currency if I provide a balanced alternative for non-paying users?
If the “kits” contain gameplay-affecting features they are not allowed. Gameplay balance is not relevant to the EULA. If the items included in the kit are purely cosmetic, you can charge real money/hard currency." "My server features a currency that you can earn through gameplay, but which can also be bought for hard currency. Is that OK?
Soft currencies that are earned in-game are fine, but you cannot sell in-game currency for hard currency. Hybrid/dual currency systems are not allowed." You can't do that. You either have to earn it, or not get it all
2. Only if they use the soft currency to buy website things. They can't use it to buy minecraft stuff, because that's just: Hard->Soft->Softer, which is still just buying stuff in-game.
The EULA is suppose to make everything fair for everybody but well it's not. OK lets say I paid $500 for a rank and 5x more XP than normal players and lets say I was a very skilled player and played on the server for 2 years. I worked hard to buy the rank to support my server because I love playing on it. Then some random newbie came on the server and due to the EULA it has to be fair, so the newbie gets the same advantage as I do without working for it while I worked my butt off to get where I am. The only thing I get to keep is my colored name and some other premium access. Well I don't care for the color name, I just don't like it how the newbie get it so easygoing while the older player worked their butt of to get the rank. I can't say this is fair, just my opinion. Not hate
The EULA is suppose to make everything fair for everybody but well it's not. OK lets say I paid $500 for a rank and 5x more XP than normal players and lets say I was a very skilled player and played on the server for 2 years. I worked hard to buy the rank to support my server because I love playing on it. Then some random newbie came on the server and due to the EULA it has to be fair, so the newbie gets the same advantage as I do without working for it while I worked my butt off to get where I am. The only thing I get to keep is my colored name and some other premium access. Well I don't care for the color name, I just don't like it how the newbie get it so easygoing while the older player worked their butt of to get the rank. I can't say this is fair, just my opinion. Not hate
How about another worst-case scenario : You're an old player in the server , but didn't buy any ranks . and you are very experienced . a newbie comes recently and buys a rank , TADDA ! Instant enchanted diamond armor ! He killed you and you're very angry .
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The problem is what exactly are they gonna do? If they don't want to hire a team of people that do nothing but send out c&d notices all day then I see black for enforcing these rules.
They could just block the server from going through authentication or they could just terminate the owners account as they are violating the EULA.
nobody should blame mojang for this change. blame the greedy server owners who were selling mojang's assets.
They are not selling any Mojang Assets, they are accepting donations so you can get a boost in your game experience. The same thing that MMO's do like Maplestory. You buy stuff to have an advantage over the free players. That is it. No also be reminded, modded servers are not mojang assests because the images, objects, bars, ores, blocks created in the mod are actually created by another author under the free license to mod the game, which the owner of a server can then also use to be limited to donor access...
The problem is what exactly are they gonna do? If they don't want to hire a team of people that do nothing but send out c&d notices all day then I see black for enforcing these rules.
Exactly, this is all Bark and no Bite. I knew a few servers who are VERY POPULAR, minecraft has endless possibilties. From prison servers to simple survival, and you can make ANYTHING YOU WANT, Donor Accessable only. If I want to make a donation of 19.99 for a Fortune X, Efficiency X Diamond Pickaxe, then So be it. It is not mojang's asset I am selling. I am not selling anything, therefore I am not violating anything. The key word here is "Donations" to keep the server ALIVE, you know it costs money to play on the internet and run a pc, so much as running your own server on your own network.
you do realize, that mojang technically owns "your" server? they are the entire reason why you can even play the game, the least you could do is respect their wishes.
You do realize that Mojang does not OWN my "PC" as it located between 0-1000 miles away from their grasp, which in turn, means that they do not OWN my server either. My hardware, my internet, my power, and my setup. I am using their software under FAIR USE, and I paid a "License" to use it. Also, the SERVER is free, unlike the Client which you pay for. SO I can host a server and NOT OWN minecraft at all to manage a server. Hell I don't even need to buy minecraft to play and run my server
FACT IS, Donations to run a server has been around since multiplayer servers existed, this includes Call of Duty, Terraria, Left 4 Dead, Minecraft, god forbid, even illegal copies of mmo's like Maplestory (besides the point), but those games that provide you with a Dedicated Server client ALLOW you to host a server under your own terms and rules. The only thing I can't do:
- Sell my server (as the entire entity) to another person/company.
- Cannot sell my copy of the game to another person/company.
- Cannot use content in the game to sell person/company or use the content in another software for copyright reasons.
- Donations are optional, which means NO ONE is forced to do it. You do this on your own terms. By not donating, no one really wins.
I am running 3 different servers, Terraria, Minecraft, and Left 4 Dead, i have not gotten a C&D or any kind of punishment yet. and I won't be getting any until the day I die or stop running those servers. So I really don't see why everyone things this EULA thing is gonna take into affect. Cause its not. Hell, I am not even banned from the forums yet, if this was such a big deal then my posts must be one heck of an offending thing to mojang.
I am not going to say if I am for or against the EULA, there is enough raging at each other over it as is.(Trust me I am sure you will figure out what side I am on once you read all I wrote) I am going to ask something that's been on my mind. People are very upset their server is going to die and say the donations are needed....Then why not just donate? Why must you have something in turn? I understand people like to brag and have one up on someone or pay to win, whatever. Still the main point does not change, if you love a sever then give to it and don't worry about what you get in turn. (Even though you are getting something which is a running server that you enjoy)
Yes, I know there are some of you who do give to your server and do not wish/want anything in turn. My points are to those who can't seem to live on a server unless each and every cent they put in gives them something back though in reality they already gaining something which is 1: you help the server run, 2: The joy of knowing thanks to your gift/donation others can join and have fun too.
So with this said I'll end it on one last note which probably will get people screaming at me but honestly I am too old to really care if someone on the net flips out over text. Those who are upset over the EULA because you can't "Get something" are sad people because you don't care about your server, if you did then you give money without crying over what you can get instead what your doing is your crying cause you no longer can lord over others. Those who said its not paid to win because it just made things go quickly, stop trying to defend a broken and corrupt system. Also don't give the excuse that other MMO's do this. This is Minecraft, this is not a free to play game and being that its Minecraft Mojang has set down rules of how they want their products used. If you think they are the only ones, go look at mod pages and see the copyright on some of those who clearly explain how you can use their mods, such as in modpacks, servers and right down to if you can make money using it on your server or not.
So this is the end of my 2 cents and last I'll talk on it, rant away if you wish on my remarks(I expect some might) Point out why this or that of what I said is wrong but at the end of the day its still true... you want your server around then throw out that money you had no issue throwing out before and accept this time instead of getting in game crap you are helping a server that you love live on and that should be enough.
Ok guys nobody can have optifine capes anymore or any cape its part of the new EULA its not just optifine capes its also MCCapes shutting down.
I tried reporgramming the MCCapes but it did not work dont try it. Baiscally u cant sell something that is in the game. Capes are in the game no more capes
Ok guys nobody can have optifine capes anymore or any cape its part of the new EULA its not just optifine capes its also MCCapes shutting down.
I tried reporgramming the MCCapes but it did not work dont try it. Baiscally u cant sell something that is in the game. Capes are in the game no more capes
actually, modded capes are fine as long as you don't have to pay for them.
So how many server have been shut down thus for for making special features payable? I take it none, cause mine is still up and...I have these so called "god" players? What they gonna do...ban me? Hall of Shame?
Mojang has no control over what I do IN my server, if I call someone a "****" or whatever its my server, what I do in my minecraft world I can blow up your house to screw you over as much as I want. So I surely can prevent you from using certain features too. I think mojang is getting too greedy like microsoft.
I bet no one realized the true intentions behind all this, Mojang started earlier a "Minecraft Realms" system, basically servers provided by Mojang themselves for you to use instead of using your home connection or NFO servers. That being said, they get the money instead of those hosts. By preventing the server owners from charging people for special features ( I bet you this includes bukkit features), you cannot give a donor access to the GIVE command that pays for it, while a normal player does not.
Just a lame attempt to make more money, what is even more funny, this same issue arose when they made a news article about what would happen if Minecraft didn't make enough money to stay alive, they said 10 years from that point minecraft would still develop, but after that it would die. This all links to this EULA thing.
I have not touched MineCraft since 1.6 was released, main reason is im waiting for 1.8 to get officially released. I host a server and my friend runs the donations, I didn't get a cease and desist, this is just a scare tactic, and until it really becomes out of control. I doubt Mojang will do a thing.
Mojang is doing this to stop their game from what it was otherwise inevitably turning into: A $26.95 EA game.
90% of servers these days are horrible and boring, because the donators get amazing kits or crazy overpowered perks that should NOT be available just for forking over your money.
The only people that are (and righfully so) freaking out are 1 of 2 things (maybe both I guess)
1. A player of a server that isn't good enough for the players to wish to ACTUALLY DONATE to it
2. The owner of the server stated above ^
So if you're one of the complainers or petitioners, please stop trying to fight good things.
you do realize, that mojang technically owns "your" server? they are the entire reason why you can even play the game, the least you could do is respect their wishes.
First Loop Hole: Lets say you want to give the people who donate prot 10 diamond armor, but the EULA states that this prot 10 most be able to be earned by people who dont donate also. You would put prot 10 in your shop and make it cost 1 mil, but if you were a donater you could get it for free. The item would still be able to be bought by people who dont donate but it would be free for people who donate. This dose not break the EULA.
Second loop Hole: So someone lets say donates $20, and the server they donate to gives them 20 credit like things on their website. This person did not donate for an ingame item but for a soft money on their website. This soft money on the website can then be turned in for special items. This does not break the EULA because they are not donating for an ingame item that affects gameplay they are donating for a soft currency on a website that has no connection to mojang.
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And my final point. . .what happens to people who had already paid a lot of money or had ranks? do they just get deprived of them?
1. "Can I sell “kits” for hard currency if I provide a balanced alternative for non-paying users?
If the “kits” contain gameplay-affecting features they are not allowed. Gameplay balance is not relevant to the EULA. If the items included in the kit are purely cosmetic, you can charge real money/hard currency." "My server features a currency that you can earn through gameplay, but which can also be bought for hard currency. Is that OK?
Soft currencies that are earned in-game are fine, but you cannot sell in-game currency for hard currency. Hybrid/dual currency systems are not allowed." You can't do that. You either have to earn it, or not get it all
2. Only if they use the soft currency to buy website things. They can't use it to buy minecraft stuff, because that's just: Hard->Soft->Softer, which is still just buying stuff in-game.
Don't like Cows? Think Minecraft needs to be more Interesting? Why not try bears: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1549234-bears/page__hl__ bears#entry18964936
How about another worst-case scenario : You're an old player in the server , but didn't buy any ranks . and you are very experienced . a newbie comes recently and buys a rank , TADDA ! Instant enchanted diamond armor ! He killed you and you're very angry .
They could just block the server from going through authentication or they could just terminate the owners account as they are violating the EULA.
They are not selling any Mojang Assets, they are accepting donations so you can get a boost in your game experience. The same thing that MMO's do like Maplestory. You buy stuff to have an advantage over the free players. That is it. No also be reminded, modded servers are not mojang assests because the images, objects, bars, ores, blocks created in the mod are actually created by another author under the free license to mod the game, which the owner of a server can then also use to be limited to donor access...
Exactly, this is all Bark and no Bite. I knew a few servers who are VERY POPULAR, minecraft has endless possibilties. From prison servers to simple survival, and you can make ANYTHING YOU WANT, Donor Accessable only. If I want to make a donation of 19.99 for a Fortune X, Efficiency X Diamond Pickaxe, then So be it. It is not mojang's asset I am selling. I am not selling anything, therefore I am not violating anything. The key word here is "Donations" to keep the server ALIVE, you know it costs money to play on the internet and run a pc, so much as running your own server on your own network.
Which brings me to this...
You do realize that Mojang does not OWN my "PC" as it located between 0-1000 miles away from their grasp, which in turn, means that they do not OWN my server either. My hardware, my internet, my power, and my setup. I am using their software under FAIR USE, and I paid a "License" to use it. Also, the SERVER is free, unlike the Client which you pay for. SO I can host a server and NOT OWN minecraft at all to manage a server. Hell I don't even need to buy minecraft to play and run my server
FACT IS, Donations to run a server has been around since multiplayer servers existed, this includes Call of Duty, Terraria, Left 4 Dead, Minecraft, god forbid, even illegal copies of mmo's like Maplestory (besides the point), but those games that provide you with a Dedicated Server client ALLOW you to host a server under your own terms and rules. The only thing I can't do:
- Sell my server (as the entire entity) to another person/company.
- Cannot sell my copy of the game to another person/company.
- Cannot use content in the game to sell person/company or use the content in another software for copyright reasons.
- Donations are optional, which means NO ONE is forced to do it. You do this on your own terms. By not donating, no one really wins.
I am running 3 different servers, Terraria, Minecraft, and Left 4 Dead, i have not gotten a C&D or any kind of punishment yet. and I won't be getting any until the day I die or stop running those servers. So I really don't see why everyone things this EULA thing is gonna take into affect. Cause its not. Hell, I am not even banned from the forums yet, if this was such a big deal then my posts must be one heck of an offending thing to mojang.
Yes, I know there are some of you who do give to your server and do not wish/want anything in turn. My points are to those who can't seem to live on a server unless each and every cent they put in gives them something back though in reality they already gaining something which is 1: you help the server run, 2: The joy of knowing thanks to your gift/donation others can join and have fun too.
So with this said I'll end it on one last note which probably will get people screaming at me but honestly I am too old to really care if someone on the net flips out over text. Those who are upset over the EULA because you can't "Get something" are sad people because you don't care about your server, if you did then you give money without crying over what you can get instead what your doing is your crying cause you no longer can lord over others. Those who said its not paid to win because it just made things go quickly, stop trying to defend a broken and corrupt system. Also don't give the excuse that other MMO's do this. This is Minecraft, this is not a free to play game and being that its Minecraft Mojang has set down rules of how they want their products used. If you think they are the only ones, go look at mod pages and see the copyright on some of those who clearly explain how you can use their mods, such as in modpacks, servers and right down to if you can make money using it on your server or not.
So this is the end of my 2 cents and last I'll talk on it, rant away if you wish on my remarks(I expect some might) Point out why this or that of what I said is wrong but at the end of the day its still true... you want your server around then throw out that money you had no issue throwing out before and accept this time instead of getting in game crap you are helping a server that you love live on and that should be enough.
An IDEA for banning bad players/noobs/griefers(I don't know if it's gonna work):
1. If someone messes up real bad, like a griefer or a n00b, ban them.
2. Charge them about 100-150 dollars if they want to join your server again.
3. If it doesn't work that way, don't blame me, I'm just trying.
PS = I like these server ideas.
I tried reporgramming the MCCapes but it did not work dont try it. Baiscally u cant sell something that is in the game. Capes are in the game no more capes
actually, modded capes are fine as long as you don't have to pay for them.
So every server is now pay to enter?
So I need to go to the hospital is what you are saying? Because if what you are saying is true, I must have psychosis since I am hallucinating these links:
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/servers/pc-servers/survival-servers/2173754-runescape-in-minecraft-mmorpg
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/servers/pc-servers/survival-servers/2173314-silverhawks-vanilla-whitelist-24-7-free-build
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/servers/pc-servers/survival-servers/2173907-drags-pvp
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/servers/pc-servers/survival-servers/742858-puffcraft-pvp-anti-grief-24-7-uptime-no-whitelist
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/servers/pc-servers/survival-servers/2173642-minecraft-1-7-10-vanilla-whitelisted-server-10
Would you like me to continue listing the servers or are you going to quit before you dig yourself into a deeper hole?