I know it's pretty much been discussed to death, but I still don't see anything other than a big smile. No matter how hard I look, or which way I look, I just don't see him as having a beard. The smile makes more sense and looks more natural.
Well that pink thing above the "smile" is meant to be his mouth. The "smile" and the thing above the mouth are meant to be a moustache + a beard. Notice how recently enough, he doesn't have the "smile" anymore. How exactly could he remove a "smile"? He could shave a beard...
In a world where you can break down multiple trees with 1 hand in a matter of seconds, does real-world logic really matter?
I think perhaps the smile was added to make Steve's face make more sense.
Yeah, I've always seen a smile. If the pink thing above his "smile" is meant to be his mouth, and the thing above that is meant to be a moustache, where on earth is his nose? I could see it if the thing above the pink thing was his nose and there was no moustache, possibly.
What reason does he have for smiling? And why are the mob's mouths not covering their chins? Having a mouth of a chin just looks stupid and if it is a smile, what's the pink thing?
That "pink thing," as you call it, is essentially the same color of the rest of his face, it just looks pink compared to the smile. Yes, it may be ever so slightly pinker than the rest of his face, but that's not saying much since his face isn't just one single tone.
Also, if it's a beard, I'd like to know why there's so much space on either side of it. Proportionally, a mouth would make much more sense than a beard.
Also, if it's a beard, I'd like to know why there's so much space on either side of it. Proportionally, a mouth would make much more sense than a beard.
I agree. I don't get why a skin-colored thing slightly below and in-between his eyes isn't a nose...
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Steve has a goatee (dark U shaped thing). The pink thing is his mouth and the darker thing immediately above it is his nose.
The design of Steve's face is intentionally low rez to fit in with the rest of the world. We shouldn't be expecting a master portrait.
Back in the late 1970s, if a sprite was more than a simple plain square we thought it was in high resolution!
You kids! :-)
I do still see a smile when I glance at it sometimes.
If it is a smile though, it's a rather disturbing one. Steve would have to be some kind of mentalist.
The U shape is a goatee. The pink block in the "U" is his mouth. The darker brown above that is his nose.
If I see a "smile" he looks absolutely ridiculous.
I'd like to know what makes you the ultimate arbiter of this.
I am 100% aware that with the ancient "human" mob, the pink thing is meant to be a mouth.
However, that does not automatically mean that someone at Mojang never thought "hey, if we add this as a smile, the part above it still looks like a nose."
Direct yourselves to his "goatee/beard". Explain why this COVERS both sides of his mouth? Proportionally, if it IS a beard/goatee, then it would be extremely odd that it would cover both sides of his mouth, while not even going across his entire chin.
A beard simply does not add up proportionally, a smile does.
And it doesn't make him look ridiculous when you look at it as a smile, either. It just looks natural.
Well that pink thing above the "smile" is meant to be his mouth. The "smile" and the thing above the mouth are meant to be a moustache + a beard. Notice how recently enough, he doesn't have the "smile" anymore. How exactly could he remove a "smile"? He could shave a beard...
What pink thing? You mean that bit of light brown above the smile? That's a brown thing.
What mustache? I see a nose, some skin underneath, and a blocky smile under that. Where's this mustache? Is the nose supposed to be a mustache? He'd look like Chaplin and Hitler then.
And how could he remove a smile? Easy: Edit the texture. He's not a real person, he's a pile of code and textures. You can't use real-world logic like that here. But if he were real, he could still remove a smile by frowning or simply blanking his expression.
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Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: "Fire - Walk with me."
I gotta go with a beard too. Goatee, with part of the mouth exposed (pinkish two pixels), with a nose above it. All of the other mobs have a 'chin,' why would Steve be different. Besides, imagining it as a smile makes it seem like an otherwise intelligently designed and shaded skin has a single, glaring flaw. As a smile, it just doesn't fit the style of the rest of the game's skins.
I gotta go with a beard too. Goatee, with part of the mouth exposed (pinkish two pixels), with a nose above it. All of the other mobs have a 'chin,' why would Steve be different. Besides, imagining it as a smile makes it seem like an otherwise intelligently designed and shaded skin has a single, glaring flaw. As a smile, it just doesn't fit the style of the rest of the game's skins.
The rest of the game's skins are farm animals, jungle cats, and demons...
If it's a beard, it's a really stupid-looking beard...That, or Notch doesn't do well with proportions...
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Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: "Fire - Walk with me."
It's very obviously a beard. I don't know what this 'proportion' junk is about (for a square face like that, you can't place it much better) .. it's the exact same color as his hair - who has lips that brown unless they're black? And seeing it as a smile makes his face look absolutely ridculous. I have a hard time seeing how this is a debate at all.
The rest of the game's skins are farm animals, jungle cats, and demons...
... and skeletons, and zombies, and NPC villagers, and the earlier posted 'human', and every single one of them has a chin. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. By the way, I think the 'proportion' argument leans more in favor of a goatee with exposed cheeks and a normal sized, rather than cartoonishly exaggerated, mouth that is in the same place as the mouth of every single other skin in the entire game.
The U-shape is a smile, and the darker area around it is a beard. The pink thing above the smile is just strange, and the thing above that is his nose.
I know it's pretty much been discussed to death, but I still don't see anything other than a big smile. No matter how hard I look, or which way I look, I just don't see him as having a beard. The smile makes more sense and looks more natural.
I think perhaps the smile was added to make Steve's face make more sense.
Also, if it's a beard, I'd like to know why there's so much space on either side of it. Proportionally, a mouth would make much more sense than a beard.
I agree. I don't get why a skin-colored thing slightly below and in-between his eyes isn't a nose...
The design of Steve's face is intentionally low rez to fit in with the rest of the world. We shouldn't be expecting a master portrait.
Back in the late 1970s, if a sprite was more than a simple plain square we thought it was in high resolution!
You kids! :-)
P.S.
Who else do we know with a goatee?
That's exactly how my mind sees it too. I cannot see the big brown thing as a "smile" without it looking completely ridiculous.
I think it's just a mental imagery thing. You aren't going to be able to change how a person's mind views it, either way.
If I see a "smile" he looks absolutely ridiculous.
If it is a smile though, it's a rather disturbing one. Steve would have to be some kind of mentalist.
I am 100% aware that with the ancient "human" mob, the pink thing is meant to be a mouth.
However, that does not automatically mean that someone at Mojang never thought "hey, if we add this as a smile, the part above it still looks like a nose."
Direct yourselves to his "goatee/beard". Explain why this COVERS both sides of his mouth? Proportionally, if it IS a beard/goatee, then it would be extremely odd that it would cover both sides of his mouth, while not even going across his entire chin.
A beard simply does not add up proportionally, a smile does.
And it doesn't make him look ridiculous when you look at it as a smile, either. It just looks natural.
What pink thing? You mean that bit of light brown above the smile? That's a brown thing.
What mustache? I see a nose, some skin underneath, and a blocky smile under that. Where's this mustache? Is the nose supposed to be a mustache? He'd look like Chaplin and Hitler then.
And how could he remove a smile? Easy: Edit the texture. He's not a real person, he's a pile of code and textures. You can't use real-world logic like that here. But if he were real, he could still remove a smile by frowning or simply blanking his expression.
One chants out between two worlds: "Fire - Walk with me."
The rest of the game's skins are farm animals, jungle cats, and demons...
If it's a beard, it's a really stupid-looking beard...That, or Notch doesn't do well with proportions...
One chants out between two worlds: "Fire - Walk with me."
It's a smile.
... and skeletons, and zombies, and NPC villagers, and the earlier posted 'human', and every single one of them has a chin. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. By the way, I think the 'proportion' argument leans more in favor of a goatee with exposed cheeks and a normal sized, rather than cartoonishly exaggerated, mouth that is in the same place as the mouth of every single other skin in the entire game.