Uh.. yeah, no. Notch would have to significantly upgrade the amount of redstone options we have, as of now even making a simple computer takes up miles of ingame space, and as far as i know hasn't even began to be attempted in a legit game.
Uh.. yeah, no. Notch would have to significantly upgrade the amount of redstone options we have, as of now even making a simple computer takes up miles of ingame space, and as far as i know hasn't even began to be attempted in a legit game.
Fair enough, I will be honest that I don't play legit, because I like the building aspect of the game far more than the survival aspect, although i still do have some legit saves.
Anyway, the first computers could be the size of a football field, and that was just the beginning, you need to open your mind, evolution is possible in minecraft, whats practically useless now, could be just the beginning of something big.
Question of the day: What do you think about the minestone "Compression" idea in which one block can take on the task of several redstone inverters/trails/ETC.
sounds cool, I like most everything suggested here. but a game within a game? yeah i can see that minesweeper might be a good way to wait the night out, but why not just open your inventory to release the mouse without pausing the game and open it on your real computer instead of your minecraft computer?
sounds cool, I like most everything suggested here. but a game within a game? yeah i can see that minesweeper might be a good way to wait the night out, but why not just open your inventory to release the mouse without pausing the game and open it on your real computer instead of your minecraft computer?
becasue that is not fun.
is there an actual pong game out there? i can imagine at night you climb your tower to play redstone pong, using two buttons or pressure plates, with the guy at the far end of the visible map, since you would need that much redstone... sounds AWESOME.
sounds cool, I like most everything suggested here. but a game within a game? yeah i can see that minesweeper might be a good way to wait the night out, but why not just open your inventory to release the mouse without pausing the game and open it on your real computer instead of your minecraft computer?
becasue that is not fun.
is there an actual pong game out there? i can imagine at night you climb your tower to play redstone pong, using two buttons or pressure plates, with the guy at the far end of the visible map, since you would need that much redstone... sounds AWESOME.
I actually imagine it using a display, but thats a great idea using real in-game motion, that would be especially cool using the Xbox kinect mod.
I dont think we need a real light display, just a button that changes the perspective to a screen, but thats as I said before, thats something Mojang has to add in, I doubt small-time programmers could do that.
"I disagree, Sure, advanced games, no, but I have detonated much more that 1000 blocks of tnt, thats for sure.”
I said a 1000-wide cube, not 1000 blocks. That cube would actually be a billion TNT.
That sounds like a fun thing to try, anyway, I understand you being skeptical about in-game computing, but I think that under the tnt compression plan, this could work perfectly.
Even if you are skeptical, don't you think it would be cool if you had a giant supercomputer in the core of your base? Be honest.
I will be honest that I don't play legit, because I like the building aspect of the game far more than the survival aspect, although i still do have some legit saves.
If you want more complex scriptability, and you play MineCraft for the creative aspect rather than the survival aspect, go check out Second Life; it's like a MineCraft sandbox, but you have more primitive shapes than just cubes (you can have spheres, pyramids, tori, cylinders, etc.), they don't need to be snapped to a grid, can be created as landscape or as wearable attachments, and all of them can be scripted (using the Linden Scripting Language (LSL)) to do very complex things (take a look at some of the SLingo multi-user games that exist in Second Life; they can be standalone "arcade games", or multi-user "bingo parlor" games, operating within the Second Life game, and the economy there)
I'd rather see MineCraft stay more primitive; that's part of its appeal. I like creating in SecondLife, but it's a much more complex process and there is a learning curve. I'd like to see more creations from redstone that emulate simple logic gates. We have the NOT as a torch, and wires themselves are ORs; adding specific items that act as AND, XOR, and RSNOR circuits on their own would allow people to make complex things out of them, without going all the way to having a "computer" block that can be fully scripted. Having a block that is a RSNOR circuit in one block would cut down on size, as well as speed of computation (since the underlying Java "knows" you're trying to build a memory cell and can use an appropriate Java construct to store the state, and doesn't have to calculate two torches and a handful of wire's states to emulate it).
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C. Clarke
I imagined if you had wider torches, like lanterns almost, then maybe, by programming it into your Minecraft computer, you could get them to flicker on and off in sequence with the computer to create a black and white picture.
THIS could be awesome. Imagine making a private drive-in on a multiplayer server. You get everyone together in the courtyard at sunset, start that monster of a machine up, and load your favorite movie from your Minecraft folder, and you all can sit there and watch the movie together in relative safety.
I think black and white picture tubes would be much easier of a stretch. If you use regular redstone torches in a similar way, you could get a red and black picture, but it would look grainy and distorted though.
There are very basic examples but they're massive constructs. Eventually you would get outside the loaded chunk area and it wouldn't work any more. If Notch ever implements the ability to build redstone circuits in a block, it could be quite possible to build far more complex systems. How well they would perform is another question.
yeah..... I think this is one of the greatest problems right now. it can't be too complicated. you would either have to dig it in and build it sky high, or notch would have to program a new thingy in the options menu that lets you disable the limit. or build your computer SUPER-COMPACT! any ideas?
Yes, but that has been addressed if Mojang added new redstone blocks that could have entire circuits compressed into it.
For example, hard drives were once the size of dinner tables and could hold maybe 60 mb's of data, not, we have 1.5 TB hard drives the size of your hand.
Notch isn't going to upgrade the current redstone system. I tried many times, and he wouldn't even consider making mere redstone BLOCKS, because he said he "doesn't want too much of an emphasis on redstone."
Sorry guys. Unless we have mods, we won't get this far in redstone computing.
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Notch isn't going to upgrade the current redstone system. I tried many times, and he wouldn't even consider making mere redstone BLOCKS, because he said he "doesn't want too much of an emphasis on redstone."
Sorry guys. Unless we have mods, we won't get this far in redstone computing.
I take this as a challenge, if people are making binary computers, i believe we can do this, we just need some programmers capable of it, and as cheesy as it sounds, we should for an alliance.
URC: Unity For Redstone Computing, We would need one or more coders, a visual designer, and a mechanics advisor (i could do that)
If we modded to turn off the burn-out for torches (and people have) then I thought of a way that would really be helpful for computing, while it couldn't do any of that stuff (it isn't possible at all right now), you could have things done fairly easily.
Everything is sent in a string of 25 bits (or you could make it a lot simpler and have less bits). These move as fast as they can be set off (use a 1-clock or something, this sets up the original bits).
Each string of bits is set up into 1 initial bit (to tell the machine when to start receiving, could be cropped for certain processes). and groups of 8 bits (or less for shorter strings).
So its like this
Red is the first bit, this is always 1. blue is the address of where it is to go. green is the carried data, and gray is the return address, so it will come to that after this. This is what is output by any process.
It comes into the CPU, which assuming it isn't processing anything else, would take the 8 bits, and send it to the proper location with a 17-bit string of data. The process will send other strings wherever needed, which could be anything, a variable (which would be need to have 8 Latches for data), another program, whatever. When it's done, it adds the first bit, puts the return byte in front, and sends it. A program could have multiple locations where it receives data for different parts of its processes, getting returned data from something it ran, then running something else. A complete program would simply have a string of functions it sends with the data, and small functions run inside it.
Keep in mind, this will run pretty fast because functions can process data as they get it (depends partially on the function) so they may only delay a few frames.
BTW also, delayless excluded (I mean the inputs don't affect each other) ors. Actually if you disabled limits it would be faster that way, but yeah
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If we modded to turn off the burn-out for torches (and people have) then I thought of a way that would really be helpful for computing, while it couldn't do any of that stuff (it isn't possible at all right now), you could have things done fairly easily.
Everything is sent in a string of 25 bits (or you could make it a lot simpler and have less bits). These move as fast as they can be set off (use a 1-clock or something, this sets up the original bits).
Each string of bits is set up into 1 initial bit (to tell the machine when to start receiving, could be cropped for certain processes). and groups of 8 bits (or less for shorter strings).
So its like this
Red is the first bit, this is always 1. blue is the address of where it is to go. green is the carried data, and gray is the return address, so it will come to that after this. This is what is output by any process.
It comes into the CPU, which assuming it isn't processing anything else, would take the 8 bits, and send it to the proper location with a 17-bit string of data. The process will send other strings wherever needed, which could be anything, a variable (which would be need to have 8 Latches for data), another program, whatever. When it's done, it adds the first bit, puts the return byte in front, and sends it. A program could have multiple locations where it receives data for different parts of its processes, getting returned data from something it ran, then running something else. A complete program would simply have a string of functions it sends with the data, and small functions run inside it.
Keep in mind, this will run pretty fast because functions can process data as they get it (depends partially on the function) so they may only delay a few frames.
BTW also, delayless excluded (I mean the inputs don't affect each other) ors. Actually if you disabled limits it would be faster that way, but yeah
Output goes at the halfblock
Wow, that taught me a lot about primitive computing, I think if we can keep this thread alive long enough, it MIGHT? catch the attention of friend of Mojang Programmers, and who knows, maybe Notch will change his mind about redstone blocks.
I definitely do not think advanced computing is possible without redstone compression.
However, besides the fact of how cool it is, why not just have a craftable computer block? Just a pop up screen like any other tool in the game? It wouldn't be as cool, but If it could perform some of the tasks mentioned on this thread, It would be fine.
I don't like the idea as much since it is nowhere near as cool to me as crafting your own computer, but I imagine it being INCREDIBLY simple to make. I mean as simple as coding a game is.
That's not a real computer, that's my plan for the minecraft, that's why it needed that first bit and such. I doubt the actual computer you're using is anything like that, I based this off of the computing now. Things like the cpu I said, it would simply be the director, it's just central in this design. It's just what sends them where it needs to go.
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Well, I plan to make tetris in minecraft, and after that, minecraft in minecraft. Along with a lot of friends who play minecraft and are good at programming/electronics, I'm going to ask a cs teacher at my school for help, since he also plays minecraft.
I considered making a computer, but it really doesn't have much of an impact, especially since someone already built a functional CPU with programming and all.
How much do you know about digital electronics, programming, and computer science?
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My Youtube channel.
Contains Pachebel's Canon made with noteblocks, a working Rubik's cube made with pistons, and the ultimate TNT cannon.
Fair enough, I will be honest that I don't play legit, because I like the building aspect of the game far more than the survival aspect, although i still do have some legit saves.
Anyway, the first computers could be the size of a football field, and that was just the beginning, you need to open your mind, evolution is possible in minecraft, whats practically useless now, could be just the beginning of something big.
becasue that is not fun.
is there an actual pong game out there? i can imagine at night you climb your tower to play redstone pong, using two buttons or pressure plates, with the guy at the far end of the visible map, since you would need that much redstone... sounds AWESOME.
I actually imagine it using a display, but thats a great idea using real in-game motion, that would be especially cool using the Xbox kinect mod.
I dont think we need a real light display, just a button that changes the perspective to a screen, but thats as I said before, thats something Mojang has to add in, I doubt small-time programmers could do that.
I said a 1000-wide cube, not 1000 blocks. That cube would actually be a billion TNT.
That sounds like a fun thing to try, anyway, I understand you being skeptical about in-game computing, but I think that under the tnt compression plan, this could work perfectly.
Even if you are skeptical, don't you think it would be cool if you had a giant supercomputer in the core of your base? Be honest.
If you want more complex scriptability, and you play MineCraft for the creative aspect rather than the survival aspect, go check out Second Life; it's like a MineCraft sandbox, but you have more primitive shapes than just cubes (you can have spheres, pyramids, tori, cylinders, etc.), they don't need to be snapped to a grid, can be created as landscape or as wearable attachments, and all of them can be scripted (using the Linden Scripting Language (LSL)) to do very complex things (take a look at some of the SLingo multi-user games that exist in Second Life; they can be standalone "arcade games", or multi-user "bingo parlor" games, operating within the Second Life game, and the economy there)
I'd rather see MineCraft stay more primitive; that's part of its appeal. I like creating in SecondLife, but it's a much more complex process and there is a learning curve. I'd like to see more creations from redstone that emulate simple logic gates. We have the NOT as a torch, and wires themselves are ORs; adding specific items that act as AND, XOR, and RSNOR circuits on their own would allow people to make complex things out of them, without going all the way to having a "computer" block that can be fully scripted. Having a block that is a RSNOR circuit in one block would cut down on size, as well as speed of computation (since the underlying Java "knows" you're trying to build a memory cell and can use an appropriate Java construct to store the state, and doesn't have to calculate two torches and a handful of wire's states to emulate it).
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C. Clarke
THIS could be awesome. Imagine making a private drive-in on a multiplayer server. You get everyone together in the courtyard at sunset, start that monster of a machine up, and load your favorite movie from your Minecraft folder, and you all can sit there and watch the movie together in relative safety.
I think black and white picture tubes would be much easier of a stretch. If you use regular redstone torches in a similar way, you could get a red and black picture, but it would look grainy and distorted though.
Yes, but that has been addressed if Mojang added new redstone blocks that could have entire circuits compressed into it.
For example, hard drives were once the size of dinner tables and could hold maybe 60 mb's of data, not, we have 1.5 TB hard drives the size of your hand.
Thats where the idea is derived from.
Sorry guys. Unless we have mods, we won't get this far in redstone computing.
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I take this as a challenge, if people are making binary computers, i believe we can do this, we just need some programmers capable of it, and as cheesy as it sounds, we should for an alliance.
URC: Unity For Redstone Computing, We would need one or more coders, a visual designer, and a mechanics advisor (i could do that)
Anyone in?
Everything is sent in a string of 25 bits (or you could make it a lot simpler and have less bits). These move as fast as they can be set off (use a 1-clock or something, this sets up the original bits).
Each string of bits is set up into 1 initial bit (to tell the machine when to start receiving, could be cropped for certain processes). and groups of 8 bits (or less for shorter strings).
So its like this
Red is the first bit, this is always 1. blue is the address of where it is to go. green is the carried data, and gray is the return address, so it will come to that after this. This is what is output by any process.
It comes into the CPU, which assuming it isn't processing anything else, would take the 8 bits, and send it to the proper location with a 17-bit string of data. The process will send other strings wherever needed, which could be anything, a variable (which would be need to have 8 Latches for data), another program, whatever. When it's done, it adds the first bit, puts the return byte in front, and sends it. A program could have multiple locations where it receives data for different parts of its processes, getting returned data from something it ran, then running something else. A complete program would simply have a string of functions it sends with the data, and small functions run inside it.
Keep in mind, this will run pretty fast because functions can process data as they get it (depends partially on the function) so they may only delay a few frames.
BTW also, delayless excluded (I mean the inputs don't affect each other) ors. Actually if you disabled limits it would be faster that way, but yeah
Output goes at the halfblock
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Wow, that taught me a lot about primitive computing, I think if we can keep this thread alive long enough, it MIGHT? catch the attention of friend of Mojang Programmers, and who knows, maybe Notch will change his mind about redstone blocks.
I definitely do not think advanced computing is possible without redstone compression.
However, besides the fact of how cool it is, why not just have a craftable computer block? Just a pop up screen like any other tool in the game? It wouldn't be as cool, but If it could perform some of the tasks mentioned on this thread, It would be fine.
I don't like the idea as much since it is nowhere near as cool to me as crafting your own computer, but I imagine it being INCREDIBLY simple to make. I mean as simple as coding a game is.
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I considered making a computer, but it really doesn't have much of an impact, especially since someone already built a functional CPU with programming and all.
How much do you know about digital electronics, programming, and computer science?
Contains Pachebel's Canon made with noteblocks, a working Rubik's cube made with pistons, and the ultimate TNT cannon.