Geneo, i totaly agree wwith everything you say, i got ps3 minecraft, and it's AWESOME!!! the only thingthat bad is thre are not enoguh skins, and updates, other than that it's awesome, btw: sry for bad spellin
Yeah, why did you do that and now you're whining about it here and to 4J? You didn't have to buy Minecraft on ps3 before you checked how good it is? Don't think so. IF Xbox owners got it for free for having it on PC already, that's because Xbox is Microsoft's, I'd guess. And even if Mojang didn't want the game to be that "expensive", Sony has to make some money out of it too.
Geno isn't complaining, he's defending the game and the price since both the PlayStation and Xbox versions of the game are not PC Minecraft ported, but their own version.
No one gets the game for free if they bought it on the PC. I own PE/PC/Xbox360 version, and I probably would own the PS3 version if I owned the PS3, and I can tell you that I would have to pay each time. I've bought several copies of Minecraft for my friends, and my total now is probably well over $100.
Just found out that the xbox guys didnt have to pay for Minecraft on xbox.. Cant believe i just payed 20 bucks again for minecraft since i already have it on PC just to find out that its a old version. It dosent have even half the stuff the PC version has. Why did i pay again and the same price for a old version of the game? I dont get it? Why not give it to us for 5 bucks or something if we already bought it on PC. You let the xbox players download it for free if they bought it on pc but not ps3 players? What a ripoff. Cant believe you guys would do that. Im seriously hoping for a good update to add some stuff to this because this is sad man. I hope you guys dont turn into a mainstream piece of crap like GTA with micro transactions for diamonds and stuff.. All about the money these days i guess.. Bet you guys are going to charge the crap out of us for this dlc tex packs and skins coming out too huh. Im a paying customer and im entitled to my opinion
well... I had to pay $20 on both consoles so I know how you feel.
I thought it was... a bit odd.. and I agree with you 100% about the PC.
Since the PC gets an update a week it seems... I don't see why there isn't at least the ambition to have at least the same content as the PC (because face it.. we'll never have the same abilities, such as copy and pasting blocks etc) such as building blocks, fishing abilities, among many other cool content. I don't see why the focus cant be on the consoles until its caught up.
Unless PC Players are that spoiled they can't have empathy for their fellow Minecraft players....
well... I had to pay $20 on both consoles so I know how you feel.
The XBox version is not free to owners of the PC version. I don't know how that myth got started, but that's what it is: a myth. Imaginary. Not true. I have bought Minecraft on the 360, PC, and iOS. I paid the full price for each of them.
Since the PC gets an update a week it seems... I don't see why there isn't at least the ambition to have at least the same content as the PC (because face it.. we'll never have the same abilities, such as copy and pasting blocks etc) such as building blocks, fishing abilities, among many other cool content. I don't see why the focus cant be on the consoles until its caught up.
The PC version and console version(s) use different programming languages and are sold by different companies. It's not a matter of "ambition" -- 4J has plenty of ambition, and they're working their tails off on the port. Mojang is working equally hard on creating new content for the PC version. But they're not the same company, they're not working on the same software, and they're not selling to the same market.
What you are proposing is that Mojang cease doing any work at all until 4J completes conversion of the existing Minecraft code from Java to C++ and figures out how to jam it all onto a console. Let's say that it would take 4J a year to do this. So for a full year, Mojang should, what, sit on their hands and watch Smurfs videos?
Also, the update process is vastly different. Mojang can put out updates any time they feel like. Nobody outside their own doors has any input into what they release, or when. They build a snapshot, put it on their website, and say "come and get it" to the launcher. For the console versions, 4J is at the mercy of Microsoft and Sony. They have to wait until the platform owners (that's MS/Sony, not you) decide to allow them to release it. Aside from the time for certification testing that's required, I strongly suspect that there is some limit on the number of title updates they're allowed to release per year. Just the fact that they are releasing what its basically DLC for free (i.e., with no money that the platform owners can take a chunk of) is rather unusual. The fact that the platform owners are allowing them to do that at all (though, presumably, charging them beaucoup cash for the cert testing) is remarkable enough; demanding that they do so even more often than they're already willing to smacks of ingratitude, not to mention a lack of business acumen.
Unless PC Players are that spoiled they can't have empathy for their fellow Minecraft players....
I am a PC player. And a console player. And sometimes a mobile device player. I did not purchase any of my versions of Minecraft for anything other than what it was. I didn't buy them for what they might become some day. I didn't buy them because I expected some update to make them into a better game. I bought them because that game, right there, was a game I wanted to play. If Mojang or 4J adds content to one of the versions of Minecraft I've bought from them, that's a bonus. But if not, I've got what I bought and paid for, and it's every bit as good as I thought it was when I bought it. So, no, I don't have much sympathy for anyone who bought some version of Minecraft expecting it to be made into something that it isn't, and getting impatient because that hasn't happened yet.
I've mentioned this in another thread, but there's a major flaw in the thinking of the "We want (expect, demand, don't understand why we can't have) the PC version on the consoles" crowd.
Forget the 'intended different markets', 'designed for different platforms', etc. They want all the PC features on the console... and all the while keeping all the features of the consoles.
Basically, they want it all.
Does the PC have a tutorial?
Does the PC have easy crafting?
Does the PC have built-in controller support?
Does the PC have split-screen?
Does the PC have ________ (fill in your own favorite console-specific feature).
NO.
So if the PC doesn't have all the console features, why do some of you expect the consoles to have all the PC features? Why do console people think they can have all the features of both systems?
"You can't have everything.... where would you put it?" ~ Steven Wright
The XBox 360 version has been out for how long? Almost 2 years, I believe.
And they haven't charged for updates yet. Not a single one. I know, I own it.
So your contention that they could port it instantly but aren't, in order to make money from selling updates as DLC, goes against close to two years of evidence of the opposite: two years of updates, 13 of them to date, at no charge.
How exactly is this giving them "more money" when they're not getting a penny for the title updates?
they don't get money for updates... they attract YOUR attention WITH the update then you SEE the new skins/textures and (maybe) BUY them... So yes, in a round about way, they do get $$$ for releasing updates.
I really hope you read ALL of what geneo akynth said. Also I hope you learned to study up before bashing an awesome company like 4J. Becuase I'm sure if they wanted to, the could charge $.99 for every update or even more. Yet they don't. You should have looked at the features before buying the game. I don't know about ps3 guys, but our texture packs are dirt cheap.
I've mentioned this in another thread, but there's a major flaw in the thinking of the "We want (expect, demand, don't understand why we can't have) the PC version on the consoles" crowd.
Forget the 'intended different markets', 'designed for different platforms', etc. They want all the PC features on the console... and all the while keeping all the features of the consoles.
Basically, they want it all.
Does the PC have a tutorial?
Does the PC have easy crafting?
Does the PC have built-in controller support?
Does the PC have split-screen?
Does the PC have ________ (fill in your own favorite console-specific feature).
NO.
So if the PC doesn't have all the console features, why do some of you expect the consoles to have all the PC features? Why do console people think they can have all the features of both systems?
"You can't have everything.... where would you put it?" ~ Steven Wright
Does the PC have a tutorial? No, but it should. Blame the original creators for not implementing such a simple idea... even to this very day... DUH!
Does the PC have easy crafting? No, but does every xbox/ps3 come with a free mouse?? Try crafting the PC way with a controller... You'd get annoyed quickly. And to be honest I have wanted MC for PC for a long time. The biggest reason I didn't get it is because of the way the crafting works. It's not that I wouldn't do it; it's that I have a bad memory and I'd have a crapload of trouble remembering how to craft everything.
Does the PC have built-in controller support? I personally don't know. I was born and raised on consoles. However, I know that using a mouse/keyboard can be WAY easier to use than a controller.
Does the PC have split-screen? Nope, but they have SERVERS that are ON 24/7!
I really hope you read ALL of what geneo akynth said. Also I hope you learned to study up before bashing an awesome company like 4J. Becuase I'm sure if they wanted to, the could charge $.99 for every update or even more. Yet they don't. You should have looked at the features before buying the game. I don't know about ps3 guys, but our texture packs are dirt cheap.
I trusted the company would release Minecraft.... the same as the PC. Even I felt screwed by the company at the beginning (and partially still do) when I found out this incarnation of Minecraft was more like a reincarnation...
I've watched Minecraft vidoes on and off for years now... I buy the game expecting it to be like the videos I've seen (minus the mods).
I had Minecraft for xbox 360 and I paid for it...? I don't know where you got the idea that the xbox360 players got it for free, it was the same price we paid for it on PS3.
And as far as it not being the same as PC, that is kind of your fault for not doing your research and raising your own expectations. I knew going in that ps3/xbox360 aren't as powerful as PCs, and wouldn't be able to play the game on the same scale
I've watched Minecraft vidoes on and off for years now... I buy the game expecting it to be like the videos I've seen (minus the mods).
Hey, if it's on youtube, it just has to be true, right?
And after watching these vids "for years now" (and apparently ignoring the titles), you still didn't realize there's a difference between the PC and console versions?
Well, surprise, there is, and always will be!
Now what?
Just found out that the xbox guys didnt have to pay for Minecraft on xbox.. Cant believe i just payed 20 bucks again for minecraft since i already have it on PC just to find out that its a old version. It dosent have even half the stuff the PC version has. Why did i pay again and the same price for a old version of the game? I dont get it? Why not give it to us for 5 bucks or something if we already bought it on PC. You let the xbox players download it for free if they bought it on pc but not ps3 players? What a ripoff. Cant believe you guys would do that. Im seriously hoping for a good update to add some stuff to this because this is sad man. I hope you guys dont turn into a mainstream piece of crap like GTA with micro transactions for diamonds and stuff.. All about the money these days i guess.. Bet you guys are going to charge the crap out of us for this dlc tex packs and skins coming out too huh. Im a paying customer and im entitled to my opinion
I'm fine with a MC as long as it has all the features from 1.9 and above. Granted, I don't like the world limit though.
I can play Minecraft with friends easier and voice chat with them, that's all I need
I don't mind the fact that its on PS3 as an older version for the fact some of my friends have it on PS3 but not on PC so I can play online with them but xbox players get MC free if they have it on PC, thats stupid!!!
I'm fine with a MC as long as it has all the features from 1.9 and above. Granted, I don't like the world limit though.
I can play Minecraft with friends easier and voice chat with them, that's all I need
I'm fine with MC having the features that it said on the box it would have. I read about it beforehand and knew which features were included and which weren't. Honestly, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for someone who says "hey, this game is by a different company, on a different platform, with different constraints, for a different audience, but I know it's going to be exactly the same game, so I won't take five minutes to read the wiki and make sure."
I trusted the company would release Minecraft.... the same as the PC.
I guess I'm too old and too cynical to trust a company, porting another company's game to a totally different platform with different capabilities, to reproduce exactly the same game as the original. And even if I did, well, "doveryai no proveryai." There are plenty of ways to find out exactly what features are included in the console version. If someone chooses not to use those ways, they've given up all rights to any sympathy from me when they find out that they didn't get what they were wishing for.
Its just greed . There is no reason why we couldn't have the pc version ported , instead they will release it slowly each month for money aka greed.
Note that he said "they will release it slowly each month for money..."
But there's a two-year history, at this point, showing that they haven't -- in fact, at least as I understand how console game development works, 4J has to pay Microsoft for the privilege of giving us updates for free. (I believe there's a fee for cert testing, a fee in the tens of thosuands of dollars) Saying that free updates are advertising, and that advertising is a way of driving increased sales, so therefore the updates are a way of making money, is stretching a point to snapping.
I have a bottle opener on my keychain with a radio station's ad on it ... they were giving them away when they were doing a live remote somewhere I went ... and it could be argued that giving out those bottle openers would increase the number of listeners, allowing them to charge more money to their advertisers, and therefore increasing their revenue in the long run. But I don't think any rational person is going to say that they were distributing those bottle openers for money in the context we're discussing here. They weren't; they were giving them out free. I'm not even in their listening area (another city halfway across the state where I happened to be at the time) so it didn't even count as advertising, in my case.
From a greedy business point of view (y'know, the kind of greed that allows the 4J employees to do evil things like buy groceries and gas and maybe even video games for their kids) which do you think would make more money? A game on the 360 that is exactly like the PC version? Or one that is more limited? If you were in GameStop looking at two different versions of MC/360, one that was basically what we have today, and one that was an exact copy of the PC version, which one would you buy? Even if the MC/PC-identical one cost as much as the PC version, and one like the current MC/360 version was only 2/3 the price, like it actually is, I think most people would go for the PC equivalent. If I could have gotten the PC version with console features on top of that, I certainly would have gone for that!
Furthermore, the PC version also receives updates; weekly updates, in fact, if you play with the snapshots. So the idea that 4J is slowly trickling out updates to the 360 version to drive sales does not require that it start with, and remain with, something with fewer features than the PC version. If they could just wave their magic wand and port the game (which, if it was so easy, would actually mean that Mojang wouldn't need 4J in the first place -- they could just have some intern do it when he's not fetching coffee for the coders), they could sell a version identical with the PC version (increasing sales, as mentioned above) and continue releasing updates synchronous with the MC/PC updates. They'd continue to have the "slow trickle of updates" and the increased sales from having identical features. Plus they'd lose all the noise from people whining about how the game they got has the features it advertised it had, not the features they wished for.
No one gets the game for free if they bought it on the PC. I own PE/PC/Xbox360 version, and I probably would own the PS3 version if I owned the PS3, and I can tell you that I would have to pay each time. I've bought several copies of Minecraft for my friends, and my total now is probably well over $100.
well... I had to pay $20 on both consoles so I know how you feel.
I thought it was... a bit odd.. and I agree with you 100% about the PC.
Since the PC gets an update a week it seems... I don't see why there isn't at least the ambition to have at least the same content as the PC (because face it.. we'll never have the same abilities, such as copy and pasting blocks etc) such as building blocks, fishing abilities, among many other cool content. I don't see why the focus cant be on the consoles until its caught up.
Unless PC Players are that spoiled they can't have empathy for their fellow Minecraft players....
The XBox version is not free to owners of the PC version. I don't know how that myth got started, but that's what it is: a myth. Imaginary. Not true. I have bought Minecraft on the 360, PC, and iOS. I paid the full price for each of them.
The PC version and console version(s) use different programming languages and are sold by different companies. It's not a matter of "ambition" -- 4J has plenty of ambition, and they're working their tails off on the port. Mojang is working equally hard on creating new content for the PC version. But they're not the same company, they're not working on the same software, and they're not selling to the same market.
What you are proposing is that Mojang cease doing any work at all until 4J completes conversion of the existing Minecraft code from Java to C++ and figures out how to jam it all onto a console. Let's say that it would take 4J a year to do this. So for a full year, Mojang should, what, sit on their hands and watch Smurfs videos?
Also, the update process is vastly different. Mojang can put out updates any time they feel like. Nobody outside their own doors has any input into what they release, or when. They build a snapshot, put it on their website, and say "come and get it" to the launcher. For the console versions, 4J is at the mercy of Microsoft and Sony. They have to wait until the platform owners (that's MS/Sony, not you) decide to allow them to release it. Aside from the time for certification testing that's required, I strongly suspect that there is some limit on the number of title updates they're allowed to release per year. Just the fact that they are releasing what its basically DLC for free (i.e., with no money that the platform owners can take a chunk of) is rather unusual. The fact that the platform owners are allowing them to do that at all (though, presumably, charging them beaucoup cash for the cert testing) is remarkable enough; demanding that they do so even more often than they're already willing to smacks of ingratitude, not to mention a lack of business acumen.
I am a PC player. And a console player. And sometimes a mobile device player. I did not purchase any of my versions of Minecraft for anything other than what it was. I didn't buy them for what they might become some day. I didn't buy them because I expected some update to make them into a better game. I bought them because that game, right there, was a game I wanted to play. If Mojang or 4J adds content to one of the versions of Minecraft I've bought from them, that's a bonus. But if not, I've got what I bought and paid for, and it's every bit as good as I thought it was when I bought it. So, no, I don't have much sympathy for anyone who bought some version of Minecraft expecting it to be made into something that it isn't, and getting impatient because that hasn't happened yet.
Forget the 'intended different markets', 'designed for different platforms', etc.
They want all the PC features on the console... and all the while keeping all the features of the consoles.
Basically, they want it all.
Does the PC have a tutorial?
Does the PC have easy crafting?
Does the PC have built-in controller support?
Does the PC have split-screen?
Does the PC have ________ (fill in your own favorite console-specific feature).
NO.
So if the PC doesn't have all the console features, why do some of you expect the consoles to have all the PC features? Why do console people think they can have all the features of both systems?
"You can't have everything.... where would you put it?" ~ Steven Wright
they don't get money for updates... they attract YOUR attention WITH the update then you SEE the new skins/textures and (maybe) BUY them... So yes, in a round about way, they do get $$$ for releasing updates.
Does the PC have a tutorial? No, but it should. Blame the original creators for not implementing such a simple idea... even to this very day... DUH!
Does the PC have easy crafting? No, but does every xbox/ps3 come with a free mouse?? Try crafting the PC way with a controller... You'd get annoyed quickly. And to be honest I have wanted MC for PC for a long time. The biggest reason I didn't get it is because of the way the crafting works. It's not that I wouldn't do it; it's that I have a bad memory and I'd have a crapload of trouble remembering how to craft everything.
Does the PC have built-in controller support? I personally don't know. I was born and raised on consoles. However, I know that using a mouse/keyboard can be WAY easier to use than a controller.
Does the PC have split-screen? Nope, but they have SERVERS that are ON 24/7!
I trusted the company would release Minecraft.... the same as the PC. Even I felt screwed by the company at the beginning (and partially still do) when I found out this incarnation of Minecraft was more like a reincarnation...
I've watched Minecraft vidoes on and off for years now... I buy the game expecting it to be like the videos I've seen (minus the mods).
Hey, if it's on youtube, it just has to be true, right?
And after watching these vids "for years now" (and apparently ignoring the titles), you still didn't realize there's a difference between the PC and console versions?
Well, surprise, there is, and always will be!
Now what?
I'm fine with a MC as long as it has all the features from 1.9 and above. Granted, I don't like the world limit though.
I can play Minecraft with friends easier and voice chat with them, that's all I need
I'm fine with MC having the features that it said on the box it would have. I read about it beforehand and knew which features were included and which weren't. Honestly, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for someone who says "hey, this game is by a different company, on a different platform, with different constraints, for a different audience, but I know it's going to be exactly the same game, so I won't take five minutes to read the wiki and make sure."
I guess I'm too old and too cynical to trust a company, porting another company's game to a totally different platform with different capabilities, to reproduce exactly the same game as the original. And even if I did, well, "doveryai no proveryai." There are plenty of ways to find out exactly what features are included in the console version. If someone chooses not to use those ways, they've given up all rights to any sympathy from me when they find out that they didn't get what they were wishing for.
Note that he said "they will release it slowly each month for money..."
But there's a two-year history, at this point, showing that they haven't -- in fact, at least as I understand how console game development works, 4J has to pay Microsoft for the privilege of giving us updates for free. (I believe there's a fee for cert testing, a fee in the tens of thosuands of dollars) Saying that free updates are advertising, and that advertising is a way of driving increased sales, so therefore the updates are a way of making money, is stretching a point to snapping.
I have a bottle opener on my keychain with a radio station's ad on it ... they were giving them away when they were doing a live remote somewhere I went ... and it could be argued that giving out those bottle openers would increase the number of listeners, allowing them to charge more money to their advertisers, and therefore increasing their revenue in the long run. But I don't think any rational person is going to say that they were distributing those bottle openers for money in the context we're discussing here. They weren't; they were giving them out free. I'm not even in their listening area (another city halfway across the state where I happened to be at the time) so it didn't even count as advertising, in my case.
From a greedy business point of view (y'know, the kind of greed that allows the 4J employees to do evil things like buy groceries and gas and maybe even video games for their kids) which do you think would make more money? A game on the 360 that is exactly like the PC version? Or one that is more limited? If you were in GameStop looking at two different versions of MC/360, one that was basically what we have today, and one that was an exact copy of the PC version, which one would you buy? Even if the MC/PC-identical one cost as much as the PC version, and one like the current MC/360 version was only 2/3 the price, like it actually is, I think most people would go for the PC equivalent. If I could have gotten the PC version with console features on top of that, I certainly would have gone for that!
Furthermore, the PC version also receives updates; weekly updates, in fact, if you play with the snapshots. So the idea that 4J is slowly trickling out updates to the 360 version to drive sales does not require that it start with, and remain with, something with fewer features than the PC version. If they could just wave their magic wand and port the game (which, if it was so easy, would actually mean that Mojang wouldn't need 4J in the first place -- they could just have some intern do it when he's not fetching coffee for the coders), they could sell a version identical with the PC version (increasing sales, as mentioned above) and continue releasing updates synchronous with the MC/PC updates. They'd continue to have the "slow trickle of updates" and the increased sales from having identical features. Plus they'd lose all the noise from people whining about how the game they got has the features it advertised it had, not the features they wished for.